The Trump Administration (just Trump) Thread

[The Human Q-Tip]

Antifa is an anarcho-communist movement. IMO they are just as bad and the Neo-Nazi's

And not because of their beliefs, but because they repeatedly use violence to shut down other who are engaging in free speech.

 

[BooyaCS]

I've been to BLM rallies and meetings... It's not a supremacist group... Like, out here, BLM is like 30-40% non-Black. It'd be like saying the GOP is a supremacist group, even if a significant number of it's members are supremacists..

BLM is more akin to the GOP in this regard than it is to the KKK -- which, standing ideology IS White Supremacy, and you don't need to scour for some folks Twitter posts to find that out.

I am not saying all of BLM. I am saying there are certain sectors of BLM that subscribe to that? Also the question was posed how is that feed, with the saying white people going to go extinct, any different than White Supremacy that wants to subjugate or get rid of all non-whites?

You have one side saying all whites need to go extinct. You have the other side saying F-U. Then you have 2 groups that like to use violence. How is this going to work out?

Also to answer your question from a previous thread. We all have the right to protest and rally peacefully, if nazis in the US want to rally, IN A PEACEFUL MANNER, they are protected by the constitution. Just like if anyone Anti-White wants to rally, IN A PEACEFUL MANNER, then they are protected by the constitution.

So I don't have a problem with the rally. I have a problem with the violence at the rally's because, last I checked, we have the right to assemble peacefully.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I can argue that both, some areas of BLM and Antifa, want the extermination and extinction of the "white race"

View: https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/896429006559600642


Look at that twitter feed. How is that any different than White Supremecy? Should I be OK with Antifa and certain areas of BLM that want the white race to become extinct? Can you see that this exists on BOTH sides?

I'm honestly at a loss as to how anyone could disagree with your entire theme these last few pages.

This was once a country that understood why our willingness to let Nazis march through Skokie as long as they kept the peace is part of what made us strong. We've been creeping into this "hate speech is not free speech" justification for violently suppressing opposing views, and that is a slippery slope that leads to a very bad place.

 

[BMAN]

It has already all been discussed. You obviously didn't read.

This is a message board. Shit gets repeated. So please enlighten me.

 

[Tlyons]

What "side" is asking for extinction of white people?

How many?

What is the history behind that?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Very interesting article here regarding the lack of police presence in Charlottesville....

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/...sts.html?referer=http://www.drudgereport.com/

So, was the lack of police presence a tactic to avoid an escalation of violence, or to encourage/enable violence against the marchers?

 

[Sebastian]

I'm honestly at a loss as to how anyone could disagree with your entire theme these last few pages.

This was once a country that understood why our willingness to let Nazis march through Skokie as long as they kept the peace is part of what made us strong. We've been creeping into this "hate speech is not free speech" justification for violently suppressing opposing views, and that is a slippery slope that leads to a very bad place.

And as we all know, everyone hates Illinois Nazis.

 

[Nathan S]

What "side" is asking for extinction of white people?

How many?

What is the history behind that?

Someone pointed out that in the distant future there might not be races anymore because (among other reasons) the taboo against interracial relationships is dying. Some people were like "sounds good!" and some other people started hyperventilating about "white genocide."

 

[macbdog]

Very interesting article here regarding the lack of police presence in Charlottesville....

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/...sts.html?referer=http://www.drudgereport.com/

So, was the lack of police presence a tactic to avoid an escalation of violence, or to encourage/enable violence against the marchers?

Because violence broke out, it was to encourage it. Has the police presence been stronger, then it would be blamed for the same thing.

The fact is that these two sides squared off back in May. This was, what, the third confrontation? This is why the violence escalated, it has been brewing between the exact groups involved and was inevitable imo as both sides called up reinforcements after the last time.

One thing I will pick on authorities for: making the Nazis run that gauntlet to get out of the park was really stupid. Wonder if that moron in the Challenger had to do that before he got into his vehicle.

 

[BooyaCS]

What "side" is asking for extinction of white people?

How many?

What is the history behind that?

I would venture to say the far left. There is a youtube video of Cenk debating Ann Coulter

At the 43:34 mark in the youtube video Cenk mentions that Whites will be a miniority by 2050 and his side gives a thunderous applause.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm0OkuT8YG8
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You also have the head of the DNC saying it is her job to shut up white people.

You have a movement on the far left of SJW (social justice warriors) and other groups referring to "White Privilege" as being a bad thing. Now you have the dregs of society in the community (KKK, David Duke) saying fuck you to those idiots. Can we at least agree that these people are idiots and there are idiots on both sides?

Didn't Martin Luther King Jr say he had a dream where his 4 little children would grow up where they are judged by their character and not the color of their skin? So why is it OK for anyone to be judged by their skin color? White, black, blue, green, purple? Why does it matter? Why does the saying "whites will be a minority in 2050" deserve applause? What was profound about that statement? There is data showing that to be true? What good comes from the applause Cenk received other than to divide and bring race back into Politics again.

Can we go back to arguing on "healthcare for all?" Immigration? actual politics other than bringing race/religion into the equation?

BTW there was a group of armed militia /constitutionalists that were armed and they were actually separating both groups. The White Supremacists and AntiFA. They didn't partake in the violence. I don't agree with their viewpoints but my god they had guns and didn't use them... At least they understand their rights.

And no I am not a conservative i am more of a classical liberal...

 

[Tlyons]

Someone pointed out that in the distant future there might not be races anymore because (among other reasons) the taboo against interracial relationships is dying. Some people were like "sounds good!" and some other people started hyperventilating about "white genocide."

Well shit. Everybody being the same color would solve the race element. I think that is where that convo was headed was going.

I also think people mean to say that racism will die out as the people from that era die. They just happen to be white. There is truth to that statement and it probably depends on the delivery if one gets offended or not.

People act like everything is supposed to be right as rain with black people. Black people were literally put on a level playing field 50 years ago. There are a shit load of black people today, yes today that were handed a shit situation based on generation after generation of sub human treatment.

The economy is shitty for everyone when it's it's shitty no matter what race. But it's shittier for the lowest on the totem pole. Black people are disproportionately on the lower end due to the policies of this country since its inception.

Again we have come a long fucking way as a nation and I'm proud of that. It's one of the reasons why I serve. But we can't pretend everyone is on equal footing already. It's nonsensical.

None of this was directed at you nate, just a rant on my phone.

 

[Sebastian]

Anyway, to bring it back to politics.

Trump fucked up. He had the biggest soft-ball lobbed at him and he whiffed. At this point, he will lose many Republicans who were on the fence. There was no easier opportunity to look like a leader and he failed. He tried to rectify the mistake but by then it was too late. Fucking Orrin Hatch called him out. That is rough.

But, this will galvanize his hardcore supporters more than ever. They will now fight to the death supporting him.

People like him never really suffer the consequences of their narcissistic behavior. It is everyone around them that takes damage.

 

[BooyaCS]

Anyway, to bring it back to politics.

Trump fucked up. He had the biggest soft-ball lobbed at him and he whiffed. At this point, he will lose many Republicans who were on the fence. There was no easier opportunity to look like a leader and he failed. He tried to rectify the mistake but by then it was too late. Fucking Orrin Hatch called him out. That is rough.

But, this will galvanize his hardcore supporters more than ever. They will now fight to the death supporting him.

People like him never really suffer the consequences of their narcissistic behavior. It is everyone around them that takes damage.

He should have came out and said as much when given the opportunity. In a straight shooting no fucks given approach.

Call both sides that engage in violence terrorist organizations.

 

[gourimoko]

I would venture to say the far left. There is a youtube video of Cenk debating Ann Coulter

At the 43:34 mark in the youtube video Cenk mentions that Whites will be a miniority by 2050 and his side gives a thunderous applause.

We went over this a few pages back.. Are you afraid of becoming a minority? I mean, you realize many of us are minorities? Do you equate Whites becoming a minority through population/demographic shifts with some violent or catastrophic form of White genocide or ethnic cleansing?
In fact, how is that even a bad thing at all??

You also have the head of the DNC saying it is her job to shut up white people.

Sally Boynton Brown isn't even a member of the DNC right now, she was never the head of the DNC and she took shit for making that comment and rightfully so.

You have a movement on the far left of SJW (social justice warriors) and other groups referring to "White Privilege" as being a bad thing.

"White Privilege" is a bad thing...

Now you have the dregs of society in the community (KKK, David Duke) saying fuck you to those idiots.

I actually don't disagree with 2 of the 3 points you're defining as idiotic.. Am I an idiot too?

Can we at least agree that these people are idiots and there are idiots on both sides?

Err.. no...

You're literally equating progressivism with fucking Nazis? Even if we just focused on the asinine term 'SJW;' I mean seriously, SJWs are equivalent to Nazis?!

That's crazy.

Didn't Martin Luther King Jr say he had a dream where his 4 little children would grow up where they are judged by their character and not the color of their skin? So why is it OK for anyone to be judged by their skin color? White, black, blue, green, purple? Why does it matter?

MLK talked about a colorblind future not a colorblind present. It matters because, as it stands today, we are not equal -- even if many of us want to ignore that fact.

Why does the saying "whites will be a minority in 2050" deserve applause? What was profound about that statement?

Do you really wanna talk about that? Because we can.. I'm just not sure this conversation is the best context.

There is data showing that to be true?

Yes. It's.. undeniably true. Eventually, White people, Black people, Latino people; these folks won't really exist in a racial/ethnic sense... It's just a matter of population mixing.. They'll form a unified ethnic group, just as every other ethnic group before it.

What good comes from the applause Cenk received other than to divide and bring race back into Politics again.

Well, let me ask you this.. Why is it a bad thing for Whites to become a minority?

Can we go back to arguing on "healthcare for all?" Immigration? actual politics other than bringing race/religion into the equation?

I think all of those things are valid topics -- but, why can't we talk about discrimination and oppression too? Why does that seem to hurt?

BTW there was a group of armed militia /constitutionalists that were armed and they were actually separating both groups. The White Supremacists and AntiFA. They didn't partake in the violence. I don't agree with their viewpoints but my god they had guns and didn't use them... At least they understand their rights.

And no I am not a conservative i am more of a classical liberal...

I know you're not a conservative... And I know you and I agree on more things than disagree when it comes to politics.

I'm just wondering why you think we should drop the progressive platform when it comes to social justice? Or... is that not what you're saying? Because it seems to me that, when one suggests we "go back" to not talking about matters of race and gender discrimination, that they're not really on-board with positive changes for minorities, women, and the LGBTQ community?

What am I missing?

 

[BooyaCS]

We went over this a few pages back.. Are you afraid of becoming a minority? I mean, you realize many of us are minorities? Do you equate Whites becoming a minority through population/demographic shifts with some violent or catastrophic form of White genocide or ethnic cleansing?
In fact, how is that even a bad thing at all??



Sally Boynton Brown isn't even a member of the DNC right now, she was never the head of the DNC and she took shit for making that comment and rightfully so.



"White Privilege" is a bad thing...



I actually don't disagree with 2 of the 3 points you're defining as idiotic.. Am I an idiot too?



Err.. no...

You're literally equating progressivism with fucking Nazis? Even if we just focused on the asinine term 'SJW;' I mean seriously, SJWs are equivalent to Nazis?!

That's crazy.



MLK talked about a colorblind future not a colorblind present. It matters because, as it stands today, we are not equal -- even if many of us want to ignore that fact.



Do you really wanna talk about that? Because we can.. I'm just not sure this conversation is the best context.



Yes. It's.. undeniably true. Eventually, White people, Black people, Latino people; these folks won't really exist in a racial/ethnic sense... It's just a matter of population mixing.. They'll form a unified ethnic group, just as every other ethnic group before it.



Well, let me ask you this.. Why is it a bad thing for Whites to become a minority?



I think all of those things are valid topics -- but, why can't we talk about discrimination and oppression too? Why does that seem to hurt?



I know you're not a conservative... And I know you and I agree on more things than disagree when it comes to politics.

I'm just wondering why you think we should drop the progressive platform when it comes to social justice? Or... is that not what you're saying? Because it seems to me that, when one suggests we "go back" to not talking about matters of race and gender discrimination, that they're not really on-board with positive changes for minorities, women, and the LGBTQ community?

What am I missing?

I would argue there is no white privilege. None. At least not in the western world. There are no laws on record that are in favor of whites over any other race.

I never said anything about becoming a minority. I said there are factions that want the EXTINCTION of whites. Not that we will become a minority but that we will be extinct. Extinct means gone, non-existant, eliminated.

I'm just wondering why you think we should drop the progressive platform

Yes
I think the progressive platform is horrible. It plays everyone into a victim narrative and wants professional victims. Women are oppressed is one of their slogans. Umm no they aren't, not anymore. Yet when facts are brought up to refute this it falls upon deaf ears.

Positive changes for Women and LGBTQ are not classifying them as victims that are always oppressed. We need to become more tolerant as a soceity. In part that means dropping the religous impetous around the LGBTQ community. I hate hearing Gays are an obination upon god. Sorry we have separation of church and state for a reason. I am a firm believer of keeping religious beliefs out of the government period.

I think all of those things are valid topics -- but, why can't we talk about discrimination and oppression too? Why does that seem to hurt?

Because most of what is listed as oppression isn't. There are laws, on the record, against discrimination and most of the progressive movement is arguing for the equality of outcome and not the equality of opportunity. So now back to quotas to make sure things are "equal". So we are talking about making everyone equal and no envy, no prejudice, no wealth we are talking about marxism. Most of the progressive movement has gone over to marxism and is starting to embrace communist and marxist principles... That is my issue.