The Trump Administration (just Trump) Thread

[-Akronite-]

Is it chicken shit to not want to fight and potentially die in a war?

Yes. Only pussies don't want to die horribly... or see others die horribly... or kill others horribly.

 

[Nathan S]

Is it chicken shit to not want to fight and potentially die in a war?

Sort of analogous to paying taxes (though obviously on a different scale) imo. No one likes paying taxes, but it's chicken shit to weasel your way out of that, too. Civic duty isn't always pleasant, but without it there's no America.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Is it chicken shit to not want to fight and potentially die in a war?

Well, it's chickenshit if your country is attacked, and you shirk while other people risk their life to save your ass.

 

[Wrathe]

Fairness Doctrine: For it? Against it?

I hadn't heard of it until it was brought up yesterday. Thought to myself, OMG that was the catalyst in why news went to shit in the late 80's / early 90's.

I actually would welcome this back. I just want transparency in the oversight.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

LOL

Trump started this shit when he decided to take pot shots at former presidents for their lack of condolence calls (that was a lie by the way).

How was it a lie? Every President has not made condolence calls to every soldier that died. Obama didn't, Bush didn't, and neither did their predecessors.
And the only reason that came up at all was because the press asked him why he hadn't spoken about the deaths of the four soldiers - a clear implication that their deaths we're a non-issue to him. In fact, he had called them personally.
The fact of calling is one thing - it is the politicization of the content of that call that has gotten ugly, and that's something that nobody had ever done previously. And that was all orchestrated by a despicable member of Congress.
If a family and members of Congress choose to politicize the content of a condolence call, there isn't a damn thing that any President can do about it. So if I were advising him, I'd tell him to stop making them. I thought it was a nice gesture, but if the content of condolence calls is now legitimate campaign fodder, it's not worth it.

While I have you, how do you feel about Trump's delay on enforcing the Russian sanctions?

Haven't followed it or paid attention to it.

ETA:. I looked it up briefly. I really dislike delegations of authority to the Executive Branch. If Congress wants to direct something, they should pass a law sufficiently specific that it can be enforced as written.

From what I read, Congress delegated to the Executive Branch the responsibility for specifying exactly which individuals and organizations within Russia should be sanctioned, and honestly, I don't like that. Congress should do that on it's own rather than attempting to order the President to do that.

There are apparently more specific actions that are supposed to be implemented in January, so we'll see what happens. To the extent any law is sufficiently clear and specific, I think it should be enforced by the President.

 

[Huber.]

Well, it's chickenshit if your country is attacked, and you shirk while other people risk their life to save your ass.

Why is said country being attacked? Is it because said country gave millions to fund that countries missile program?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Why is said country being attacked? Is it because said country gave millions to fund that countries missile program?

I have no idea what this means.

 

[Huber.]

I have no idea what this means.

I have no problem with people not defending their country if it's because the governmet messed up. If Iran starts dropping bombs because of Obama's mistakes would you hold it against people?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I have no problem with people not defending their country if it's because the governmet messed up. If Iran starts dropping bombs because of Obama's mistakes would you hold it against people?

So let me get this straight -- if Iran started bombing us because of Obama's mistakes, we shouldn't defend the country because it's Obama's fault?

 

[-Akronite-]

How was it a lie? Every President has not made condolence calls to every soldier that died. Obama didn't, Bush didn't, and neither did their predecessors.

He clearly implied that Obama directly and other past presidents never called any families. That is a lie. You've filtered his words into the best possible interpretation but we all know that's not what he meant. He never said anything about EVERY family, he just said they never made calls while he does make calls. It's a lie.

And the only reason that came up at all was because the press asked him why he hadn't spoken about the deaths of the four soldiers - a clear implication that their deaths we're a non-issue to him. In fact, he had called them personally.

And then claimed Obama never called families, which is what started this whole shit.

The fact of calling is one thing - it is the politicization of the content of that call that has gotten ugly, and that's something that nobody had ever done previously. And that was all orchestrated by a despicable member of Congress.

And confirmed by the family. And lied about by the president.

If a family and members of Congress choose to politicize the content of a condolence call, there isn't a damn thing that any President can do about it. So if I were advising him, I'd tell him to stop making them. I thought it was a nice gesture, but if the content of condolence calls is now legitimate campaign fodder, it's not worth it.

I agree with this. I have a hard time imagining a call from Trump making me feel any better anyway. Although I guess it'd be nice to get $25,000 from the president. Months after he promised because the press found out but again let's be positive.

 

[-Akronite-]

I have no problem with people not defending their country if it's because the governmet messed up. If Iran starts dropping bombs because of Obama's mistakes would you hold it against people?

So you support the football players who don't stand for the anthem since the government is messed up?

 

[Huber.]

So let me get this straight -- if Iran started bombing us because of Obama's mistakes, we shouldn't defend the country because it's Obama's fault?

I personally would. But it's hard for me to shame others that value their life over their countries mistakes.

So you support the football players who don't stand for the anthem since the government is messed up?

The government didn't mess up IMO

 

[gourimoko]

Fairness Doctrine: For it? Against it?

I hadn't heard of it until it was brought up yesterday. Thought to myself, OMG that was the catalyst in why news went to shit in the late 80's / early 90's.

I actually would welcome this back. I just want transparency in the oversight.

I'm for it.. always have been. You can reference the arguments by both myself and Q-Tip from last year on this topic, we had a pretty extensive debate on the topic at that time.

 

[Cavatt]

How was it a lie? Every President has not made condolence calls to every soldier that died. Obama didn't, Bush didn't, and neither did their predecessors.
And the only reason that came up at all was because the press asked him why he hadn't spoken about the deaths of the four soldiers - a clear implication that their deaths we're a non-issue to him. In fact, he had called them personally.
The fact of calling is one thing - it is the politicization of the content of that call that has gotten ugly, and that's something that nobody had ever done previously. And that was all orchestrated by a despicable member of Congress.
If a family and members of Congress choose to politicize the content of a condolence call, there isn't a damn thing that any President can do about it. So if I were advising him, I'd tell him to stop making them. I thought it was a nice gesture, but if the content of condolence calls is now legitimate campaign fodder, it's not worth it.



Haven't followed it or paid attention to it.

ETA:. I looked it up briefly. I really dislike delegations of authority to the Executive Branch. If Congress wants to direct something, they should pass a law sufficiently specific that it can be enforced as written.

From what I read, Congress delegated to the Executive Branch the responsibility for specifying exactly which individuals and organizations within Russia should be sanctioned, and honestly, I don't like that. Congress should do that on it's own rather than attempting to order the President to do that.

There are apparently more specific actions that are supposed to be implemented in January, so we'll see what happens. To the extent any law is sufficiently clear and specific, I think it should be enforced by the President.

This is ridiculous. The question wasn't did you even know they were dead, it was why haven't they been brought up publicly. So Trump went there first and politicized the calling thing like a dummy. He was virtue signalling, got called out, and doubles down and politicized the death of Kelly's son. That is not cool.

He has repeatedly shown disrspect for gold star families, Mcain and has said he knows more about the military than most generals. So tell me how he is respectful of the military and the flag here?

Kneeling during football is worse to you? This is why you have no credibility in my book. The fact that you are a vet makes this seem like you are being willfully obtuse here. Your standards for football players is higher than for the most powerful position in the world, which we won't be saying much longer.

The moral to the story is don't throw stones if you live in a glass house, and Trump not only throws the most stones, he also lives in the biggest glass house with the most windows.

On the most basic level, I don't see how deflecting responsibility is consistent with your values, and yet you are consistent in selling your own values out to protect this guy from doing just that.

 

[The Oi]

Well, it's chickenshit if your country is attacked, and you shirk while other people risk their life to save your ass.

Seems you’re assuming somebody is already in the military, trained to fight in which case I’d agree with you depending on the situation.

I cannot imagine any scenarios where I’d be willing to risk my life to fight a faceless enemy and abandon my wife and child, including any of the wars the US has already fought.

I’d rather be around to lead a good long life, to help provide for them and to leave a legacy behind as an 80 year old man who died here rather than an 18-34 year old man who died overseas. I wouldn’t consider that chickenshit. I’d consider it rational and the right decision to make for myself and my family.