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Time for a Rudy Gay safari?

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LeBron James is 32. The fact that lowering the tax bill is a primary objective right now is pretty damn sad. I'm sorry, Gilbert shouldn't get a pass on this. Our window isn't infinite. We are coming up on a time very, very soon where his play is going to fall off dramatically. I'm trying to think of a player who was 35 and still considered a top 10..hell, a top 20 player in the league? We should be doing everything we can to win right now and next year.
Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but it is a disservice to act like Gilbert hasn't spent a ton to help us win. Pretty sure he spends more than anyone else in the league.

Gilbert has spent record setting amounts of money and will continue to do so. But that isn't the same as spending near 100 million in luxury tax alone for one year, for Rudy Gay, while having half the team on min contracts as result. The issue is that it might not be smart or realistic for many reasons.
 
Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but it is a disservice to act like Gilbert hasn't spent a ton to help us win. Pretty sure he spends more than anyone else in the league.

Gilbert has spent record setting amounts of money and will continue to do so. But that isn't the same as spending near 100 million in luxury tax alone for one year, for Rudy Gay, while having half the team on min contracts as result. The issue is that it might not be smart or realistic for many reasons.

They'd not be spending more this year on Gay. He'd be traded for Shumpert. The Kings aren't taking on a TPE for him. Gay is making 12 million dollars. Not 20.

Gilbert would sign off on the trade, and they would re-sign him. Like others have mention, the Cavs saved money on the Korver trade. Does anyone not think they are doing that, so they can make room for something bigger?

Dan Gilbert is not going prioritize money over winning. Not happening. He'd just sell the Cavs if he's just interested in profiting. The franchise has never been worth more.

Delly was expendable. I don't agree letting him go, but I can't say I think he's literally the difference between winning it all and not. Does he help make us better? Sure. Those are the kinds of signings I don't think they'll have any interest in when it comes to adding to the luxury tax.

But a player that makes a difference between winning it all and losing is a different story. Proof? They signed JR Smith to a 56 million dollar contract.

That's all the proof you need to know that Gilbert will definitely spend money if he thinks it's the difference between winning it all and not.

I think the Cavs would take on Rudy Gay in a second. If they didn't it would come down to demand, not money.
 
They'd not be spending more this year on Gay. He'd be traded for Shumpert. The Kings aren't taking on a TPE for him. Gay is making 12 million dollars. Not 20.
Talking about next year. Unless we are fine with a rental. 20 million a year might be conservative for all we know. Plus many other factors we don't know with the cap. It is very possible it won't be feasible for us to retain him, that is all I'm saying. But I'd probably be fine with a rental if it meant winning this year.
 
JR, Birdman and McRae plus picks or rights for Gay, Lawson and WCS? :chuckle: That would probably get shut down as one sided but I'm definitely warming up to Rudy, especially if it's between him and Melo.
 
JR, Birdman and McRae plus picks or rights for Gay, Lawson and WCS? :chuckle: That would probably get shut down as one sided but I'm definitely warming up to Rudy, especially if it's between him and Melo.

No chance in hell we are even thinking about trading JR with what his family is going through right now...no chance in hell.
 
No chance in hell we are even thinking about trading JR with what his family is going through right now...no chance in hell.

That and yeah, let's trade LeBron's best friend on the team and the player he demanded be re-signed.
 
As for Rudy Gay, I think it would be a monumental mistake to not deal for him if it involved players not named Love, Irving, Thompson, or James.

If they were willing to do a deal centered around SHumpert, we should do that in a heartbeat.

That said, he's having a good season and I think they can probably get something a little better than Iman back. It would be kinda nice to have Delly to include in a potential trade like this, but alas, the tax bill!!
 
Talking about next year. Unless we are fine with a rental. 20 million a year might be conservative for all we know. Plus many other factors we don't know with the cap. It is very possible it won't be feasible for us to retain him, that is all I'm saying. But I'd probably be fine with a rental if it meant winning this year.


I just want to know why anyone would think Gilbert is okay paying a player like JR Smith 56 million given the luxury tax, and would scoff at paying Rudy Gay a player much better than him.

There's no proof as of yet that Dan won't spend money if needed. He's not going to spend money on players he feels are expendable given the luxury tax. There's a clear difference.

Dan Gilbert isn't living in a shack. He's not going broke man. :chuckle: If he can win another title. He's all in.
 
Again, I don't think adding Gay plus D-Leaguers (not James' vet buddies) is excessively more expensive than having Shumpert/RJ/JJ/Birdman on the roster; given that we'd be consolidating talent, the cap will be going up, and our ability to compete with the Warriors would be much improved.
 
Talking about next year. Unless we are fine with a rental. 20 million a year might be conservative for all we know. Plus many other factors we don't know with the cap. It is very possible it won't be feasible for us to retain him, that is all I'm saying. But I'd probably be fine with a rental if it meant winning this year.

Isn't the favorite out West about to do just this?

They'll be running a squad that basically consists of four really good NBA players and then a bunch of nobodies (Iggy won't be kept, unless he wants to stay for cheap). And guess what? They'll be the favorites to come out of the West for the next however many years all of those guys are under contract doing it.
 
I just want to know why anyone would think Gilbert is okay paying a player like JR Smith 56 million given the luxury tax, and would scoff at paying Rudy Gay a player much better than him.

There's no proof as of yet that Dan won't spend money if needed. He's not going to spend money on players he feels are expendable given the luxury tax. There's a clear difference.

Dan Gilbert isn't living in a shack. He's not going broke man. :chuckle: If he can win another title. He's all in.

Yeah he is fine and if the more they win the more he gets back or breaks even. I do not understand why so many have so much concern of everyone else and their money. I mean we will find out and if it can work Gilbert will make it work. Like how everyone said the Indians had no chance to get EE well look what happened.
 
I just want to know why anyone would think Gilbert is okay paying a player like JR Smith 56 million given the luxury tax, and would scoff at paying Rudy Gay a player much better than him.

There's no proof as of yet that Dan won't spend money if needed. He's not going to spend money on players he feels are expendable given the luxury tax. There's a clear difference.

Dan Gilbert isn't living in a shack. He's not going broke man. :chuckle: If he can win another title. He's all in.
It would not be smart letting JR walk for nothing. He is important to our team, and we got him at a decently fair price in this market. And Rudy Gay at 20 mil might be a fair price too, but that isn't the point. It's adding on another salary of that caliber, making our roster more top heavy and limiting flexibility and possibly depth. There is stuff to consider. Which I'd be willing to take the risk, I'm just not sure our FO will see it worth the risk because there are many factors that go into it. For one, like would he even mesh with the team for sure.

Again, I don't think adding Gay plus D-Leaguers (not James' vet buddies) is excessively more expensive than having Shumpert/RJ/JJ/Birdman on the roster; given that we'd be consolidating talent, the cap will be going up, and our ability to compete with the Warriors would be much improved.
I'd do it, but I'm not sure we are so ready to throw JJ or RJ to the side. Both are big parts to our locker room and have strong friendships on the team. We might have to convince them to retire. There could be complications. Sure, I'd say get rid of them in a heart beat but it may not be easy.

I also believe we have the intent of keeping Korver here longer term. Maybe I heard Griff say that somewhere, I don't know. It might only cost us 5-6 mil at his age too, but that adds in. And I know it's been discussed if you choose between Korver or Gay who do you choose, obviously Gay. But that isn't the full comparison.

This is really what it comes down to. Do you choose between Korver, an MLE addition, vet min additions, and a TPE addition or Rudy Gay (while stripping the rest of the roster) and likely not adding anyone else via the other methods. Two options, the price is probably about the same. Or since I keep being told Dan's pocketbook doesn't matter or whatever, can we get Rudy, keep Korver, and possibly still add someone with the MLE and TPE's too? I know we could theoretically do it right, but if you understand why that isn't likely, then you understand my point. Not you specifically, but anyone else wondering.

And I guess theoretically we could keep both if we structured Rudy Gay's contract in a way that he is making 15-16 mil the first year and Korver makes 4-6 mil that year. That is around 20 right there together.

Isn't the favorite out West about to do just this?

They'll be running a squad that basically consists of four really good NBA players and then a bunch of nobodies (Iggy won't be kept, unless he wants to stay for cheap). And guess what? They'll be the favorites to come out of the West for the next however many years all of those guys are under contract doing it.

Rudy Gay isn't Kevin Durant, but I get your point. And I'm not sure what GS is doing is sustainable. The lack of depth might come back to haunt them. I guess we will see.

I'd be willing to try it. Like I said, I'd even be willing to do a rental if all it cost is Shump and parts for that matter. And if Rudy Gay doesn't pan out, worst case scenario is that I guess we could trade him. I'd do it. Do we have enough to get him and would our FO go for it. I think they would and just sort the rest out later. Hopefully we are aggressive this deadline like we lost the Finals instead of won.
 
Difference between wanting Rudy and thinking we can get Rudy.

Every time I watch Shumpert I just see nothing but pure mediocrity running around out there. I have to imagine that the Kings can get something better.
 

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