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Northstar said:
LeBron is not playing PF full time despite the hopes and wishes of some here.
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Against the Warriors he will and that's literally all that matters. Pick up some scrub big men like the Warriors did this offseason to get through the regular season

Kyrie Butler and LBJ is winning you 50 games even if you throw Varejao out there at center for the regular season
 
Bob_The_Cat said:
Hood/Burks/Exum for Butler? If I'm the Bulls, I would never accept anything close to that. Someone else will give them a far better deal. Butler's a top 10 player in the league on a great contract.

I don't think the Jazz could put together an attractive enough package without Hayward being involved. Gobert's not getting traded. I'm not taking Favors, Burks, and other random guys for Butler. I don't want Utah's picks either, as they'd just end up being in the lower 20's.

If the Bulls are moving Butler, seems like Utah, Chicago, and Boston could be really good trade partners.

Bulls get:
2017 Nets 1st
Smart
Brown
Jerebko

Celtics get:
Hayward
Hood

Jazz get:
Butler


Bulls get the pick they covet, two young guys to build with, and some expiring money. This move would end up clearing $9 mill off the cap the next two years.

Celtics get Hayward, a guy that fits great in there lineup and obviously already has a tremendous relationship with the head coach. They are potentially able to sign him in the off-season in FA, but by trading now they'd have him for this year's playoff run and also acquire a good young SG/SF in the process. A Bradley, Hood, Hayward, Crowder, Horford lineup would be TOUGH.

Utah gets a top 3 SG/SF. They might not like including Hood, but there's a big time risk Hayward is gone at the end of the year. They'd be getting a top 10 player in the league who's locked into an incredibly team friendly deal for the next three seasons. Burks is working his way back from in injury.

Hill, Burks, Butler, Favors, and Gobert would be pretty nasty. That starting 5 would be a nightmare for GSW. Then you still have Ingles, Mack, Lyles, JJ, Diaw, and Exum off the bench. Damn. That team would kind of be a monster. Would be interesting to see what Quinn got out of that group.

Also, by making this move the Jazz avoid paying Hayward one of the big time new Max deals. George Hill is a free agent and they can free up $7.5 mill more by not exercising Diaw's option. That'd mean they could go into free agency with approximately $21 mill to spend and Butler & Gobert on long-term, team friendly contracts.

One of the rare instances where a 3-team trade actually makes sense. Who says no to this?
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The Celtics. The Celtics say no. Why in the world does this make sense for them?

Why trade for the worse player on the last year of his deal (so he's about to sign under the new, far higher cap) instead of the better player signed for multiple years under the old cap? All of the things going to the BUlls are from Boston.........so why wouldn't Boston just get Jimmy Butler instead?

I personally value Rodney Hood much, much higher than I do Marcus Smart or Jaylan Brown. Like, a LOT higher. Smart's ceiling to me is extremely limited until he shows an ability to actually shoot a basketball. So far in his 3 seasons he hasn't cracked 37% from the field.

So, to me, how much do you value that pick prior to the lottery? There's always a chance it doesn't end up being Fultz or Ball. So, yea, if I'm the Bulls I'd rather take Utah's offer (and their 1st this year + Golden State's 1st this year). Burks is a solid contributor, Hood has the potential to make a couple of all-star games, and there's the total wildcard in Dante Exum.

Now, if Boston was going to offer up their good players AND their best prospect, then I like that better. So if instead of giving me a guard that can't shoot the ball they offered Bradley, Crowder, Brown and the pick...now we have something.
 
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Rich said:
The Celtics. The Celtics say no. Why in the world does this make sense for them?

Why trade for the worse player on the last year of his deal (so he's about to sign under the new, far higher cap) instead of the better player signed for multiple years under the old cap? All of the things going to the BUlls are from Boston.........so why wouldn't Boston just get Jimmy Butler instead?

I personally value Rodney Hood much, much higher than I do Marcus Smart or Jaylan Brown. Like, a LOT higher. Smart's ceiling to me is extremely limited until he shows an ability to actually shoot a basketball. So far in his 3 seasons he hasn't cracked 37% from the field.

So, to me, how much do you value that pick prior to the lottery? There's always a chance it doesn't end up being Fultz or Ball. So, yea, if I'm the Bulls I'd rather take Utah's offer (and their 1st this year + Golden State's 1st this year). Burks is a solid contributor, Hood has the potential to make a couple of all-star games, and there's the total wildcard in Dante Exum.

Now, if Boston was going to offer up their good players AND their best prospect, then I like that better. So if instead of giving me a guard that can't shoot the ball they offered Bradley, Crowder, Brown and the pick...now we have something.
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That's fair. The more I think about it, Boston trading that Nets pick right now makes zero sense. They have the ability to get $33 mill under the cap without losing any significant pieces.

There's a very good chance they'll be able to sign Hayward outright in FA this offseason. That way they save all their assets until the draft, add an all-star at SF, and then can either use the pick on someone they want or package the pick plus Bradley, Crowder, etc for another big time talent.

Maybe at that point the Kings are ready to move on from Cousins? Who knows. I guess you don't want to rule out them potentially signing someone like Griffin either.
 
Bob_The_Cat said:
That's fair. The more I think about it, Boston trading that Nets pick right now makes zero sense. They have the ability to get $33 mill under the cap without losing any significant pieces.

There's a very good chance they'll be able to sign Hayward outright in FA this offseason. That way they save all their assets until the draft, add an all-star at SF, and then can either use the pick on someone they want or package the pick plus Bradley, Crowder, etc for another big time talent.

Maybe at that point the Kings are ready to move on from Cousins? Who knows. I guess you don't want to rule out them potentially signing someone like Griffin either.
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that's mostly true. but the window for Celtics to sit back on their cheap contracts will be closing. Bradley, Smart & Thomas due for new contracts after next year. But your point is well taken. No reason for Celtics to pull the trigger when they don't have much chance of passing the Cavaliers or whomever comes out of the West when they'll be even better positioned this summer. Standing pat and waiting until the draft is their best play, you'd have to disaude them otherwise.
 
Not to mention Boston is second in the East right now and you have to think that with the way the Cavs are playing lately the other contenders must figure that they have some outside shot in the playoffs. Fixing our problems for us is not the kind of thing the Celtics, Wizards, or Raptors are going to want to do.
 
Cavs have some interest Calderon in a buyout only.

No way we match that contract in a trade.
 
Soar said:
Cavs have some interest Calderon in a buyout only.

No way we match that contract in a trade.
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And there's no way we should even if we could. I don't get why we're interested. I know we're desperate for a backup PG but he's so bad.
 
Agent says Larry Sanders has offer to return to NBA
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2017

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If everything goes accordingly, Larry Sanders will return to the NBA in about two weeks.

What’s more, he could be returning to a team that is bound for the playoffs.

Sanders, the former Milwaukee Bucks’ starting center who shocked the basketball world by deciding to quit playing in 2015, recently auditioned for a half dozen teams over a two-day period in Miami.

The 6-foot-11 Sanders went through a series of drills and then conducted interviews for the NBA officials in attendance. Sanders openly discussed his past on-court and off-court issues as well as his desire to resume his pro career.

“It went very well,’’ said veteran agent Joel Bell, who represents Sanders. “They (NBA officials) had as much time as they wanted to work on certain drills with Larry or to talk to him.’’

Sanders, 28, was the 15th overall selection in the 2010 draft. Regarded as a project coming into the league, Sanders gradually honed his game to the point where he emerged as one of the elite rim protectors in the NBA. He averaged 9.5 rebounds and 2.8 blocked shots for the 2012-2013 season, in addition to scoring 9.8 points a game.

That strong showing earned Sanders a four-year, $44 million contract from the Bucks. But after several missteps, and an open admission by Sanders that he wasn’t mentally into the game anymore, the Bucks and Sanders agreed to a buyout.

Using the league’s then “stretch provision’’, Sanders agreed to a seven-year deal that paid him $1.9 million annually through the 2021-2022 season.

Sanders will continue to collect that amount from the Bucks even if he now signs with a team. And Bell was confident that will happen sooner than later.

“A lot of teams have expressed interest in Larry,’’ Bell said. “We already have one offer on the table. We should have something done at some point, probably by the All-Star break.’’

The start of the All-Star break is the middle of next week. The All-Star Game will be played on Feb. 19 in New Orleans.

Bell wouldn’t disclose the six teams that attended Sanders’ workout in Miami or the team which has made the offer.

However, an NBA executive, whose team is a lock for the playoffs, confirmed his team had a representative at Sanders’ workout and felt Sanders acquitted himself well. That same source said two other playoff-bound teams, which he wouldn’t reveal, checked out Sanders in Miami.
 
FrontPageNews said:
Let's say Dallas plays hardball. They've told us they won't buy out d will or bogut and they have offers on the table from other teams

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hn68s6v

Cavs
Bogut
D will

Mavs
Shump
Frye
Birdman


Shump has been hot this year but inconstant. our need for a backup PG and a rim protector are more important. Shump has been pretty bad vs GS so moving him wouldn't hurt that much. Especially with JR back in a month. Risky but we need to fill these needs. Maybe we could sign Lance to make up for some of shumps defense.

Frye is added because he's been garbage and we need his salary to complete this deal.

D will would finally give us a backup play maker who can get his own shot without relying on lebron.

Bogut is still one of the best paint defenders in the league, 3rd in the nba in DRPM and can still catch the occasional lob.
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  1. Cleveland Cavaliers Receive: Ricky Rubio, Brandon Rush, Jordan Hill

    Minnesota Timberwolves Receive: Iman Shumpert, DeAndre Liggins [or Jordan McRae], Chris Andersen (to be waived), two trade exceptions

    The Minnesota Timberwolves asked about Iman Shumpert in October, according to ESPN.com's Zach Lowe, and their desire for him should only increase after shooting guard Zach LaVine suffered a season-ending ACL tear.

    Though the Cleveland Cavaliers likely aren't shopping Shumpert, as he's their best perimeter defender and is owed a reasonable $31 million through 2018-19, he's not the playmaker LeBron James has pleaded for time and again.

    Enter Ricky Rubio.

    Still only 26, Rubio is under contract through 2018-19 and can anchor Cleveland's second unit while preserving James and Kyrie Irvingfor an annual Finals run. The Spaniard's shooting leaves much to be desired, but he can still create easy baskets for others and defend his position.

    If Minnesota agrees to fill the Cavaliers' other needs (Brandon Rush for wing defense and Jordan Hill for backup center duty), Cleveland can justify parting with Shumpert.

    —Greg Swartz
 
CavsMann said:
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  1. Cleveland Cavaliers Receive: Ricky Rubio, Brandon Rush, Jordan Hill

    Minnesota Timberwolves Receive: Iman Shumpert, DeAndre Liggins [or Jordan McRae], Chris Andersen (to be waived), two trade exceptions

    The Minnesota Timberwolves asked about Iman Shumpert in October, according to ESPN.com's Zach Lowe, and their desire for him should only increase after shooting guard Zach LaVine suffered a season-ending ACL tear.

    Though the Cleveland Cavaliers likely aren't shopping Shumpert, as he's their best perimeter defender and is owed a reasonable $31 million through 2018-19, he's not the playmaker LeBron James has pleaded for time and again.

    Enter Ricky Rubio.

    Still only 26, Rubio is under contract through 2018-19 and can anchor Cleveland's second unit while preserving James and Kyrie Irvingfor an annual Finals run. The Spaniard's shooting leaves much to be desired, but he can still create easy baskets for others and defend his position.

    If Minnesota agrees to fill the Cavaliers' other needs (Brandon Rush for wing defense and Jordan Hill for backup center duty), Cleveland can justify parting with Shumpert.

    —Greg Swartz
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http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=htgmmyc

Rubio -> Knicks
Melo -> Cavs
 
Interesting deal between Portland and Denver that just got completed....

Mason Plumlee and a second rounder go to Denver in exchange for Jusuf Nurcic and a 1st round pick this year from Memphis.

Portland now has 3 first round picks in 2017 draft, but they just lost their high energy guy in the middle. Jusuf has been pretty shitty this year and doesn't really fit what the Blazers like to do offensively which is get up and down the court. Plumlee is limited but at least he could rim-rum.
 
Can anyone see the Cavs having interest in Tyson Chandler? The guy's 34. That could be a bit of a worry but he's having a great season this year. Would be a legit C, shot blocker, and fits extremely well with Love and Frye. Not sure if he could share the floor with TT.

You'd have to trade Shump to make it happen. Not sure how I feel about that given Chandler's age. However, Chandler's actually been pretty damn consistent over the past 5-6 years or so. His block totals have gone down a bit, but maybe being on a better defensive team would help that?
 
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