Trading for a Small Forward

[Rich]

Maybe with the Wolves struggling they possibly conduct a firesale and Budinger becomes available? 10 million owed over the next two seasons. Probably a little overpaid, but its not an albatross contract

 

[Willard513]

Curious to know if the bucks would take this?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m9vhl4c

The bucks can tank by giving up those two while the cavs can get a cheap three and d guy while also getting a big backup center who rebounds well. The cavs can also send them miami's pick so that it sweetens the deal a little

 

[Dr. Claw]

I understand AV may be likely to go at the trade deadline but for any of those 5 steaming piles of poo? No Thanks.

Jones and Lamb project better than any of the current Cavs options at the position save Dion (who isn't included in the trade). Perk for Varejao is a wash considering. but I'd rather him than Zeller (assuming the Bynum experience works out and Tristan can be the Varejao heir). The Cavs could/should have had either one in addition to Waiters in that draft.

 

[StuDiscus]

Maybe with the Wolves struggling they possibly conduct a firesale and Budinger becomes available? 10 million owed over the next two seasons. Probably a little overpaid, but its not an albatross contract

While I have been a fan of the solid game Budinger brings, he has had 2 major knee procedures in about a years time. Huge risk involved with that kind of move...

 

[mAo_mAo]

Curious to know if the bucks would take this?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m9vhl4c

The bucks can tank by giving up those two while the cavs can get a cheap three and d guy while also getting a big backup center who rebounds well. The cavs can also send them miami's pick so that it sweetens the deal a little

The Bucks are already tanking. But if they are stupid enough to do that move then go for the kill. We wanted Pek and Miroslav is the closest thing to that monster face.

 

[daytripper]

According to Finnan the Cavs could've had Jeff Green for Andy or a #1 pick:

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2...ing-to-part-with-varejao-pick-for-jeff-green/

 

[KB]

According to Finnan the Cavs could've had Jeff Green for Andy or a #1 pick:

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2...ing-to-part-with-varejao-pick-for-jeff-green/

NO

The Cavs are over the cap, they would have had to include at least 1 player with salary equal to or greater than Gee

Also the pick that was desired was an unprotected 2014 #1

So again

NO

 

[Nathan S]

Here are 4 trades that would bring in a SF who's better than Gee without giving up a piece of the core:

1: Jarrett Jack to Denver for Jordan Hamilton and Randy Foye

This makes a lot of sense for Denver since Hamilton will be scrounging for minutes anyway when Gallo comes back. Meanwhile Randy Foye has been garbage for them at SG (9 ppg on 36% shooting) and Jack would be a big upgrade.

Jordan Hamilton is no star, but he's shooting a consistent 37% from 3 over his 3-year career, and he's pretty solid defensively as well. If he continues to develop (he just turned 23 in October) he could be a high-quality 3&D roleplayer for years to come. Randy Foye is obviously not very good and is just coming over for salary reasons. We would need to make sure Mike Brown understands that he is not supposed to be part of the rotation.


2. Tyler Zeller and CJ Miles to Dallas for Jae Crowder and Wayne Ellington

Dallas has resorted to such bizarre moves as starting DeJuan Blair at center, so the addition of Zeller would give them some much-needed depth there. Miles could seamlessly slide in and take the 15-20 minutes Crowder's been playing off the bench, and Wayne Ellington would not be missed at all (he's not in the rotation at the moment).

Most of Crowder's value comes on defense where he's shown potential to be great, but he's also improved on offense since his rookie year, shooting 40% from 3 before going cold in December. Ellington would be extra depth in the backcourt, and could scrape out a rotation role if he finds his shot again.

3. Jarrett Jack to Charlotte for MKG

I've brought up this trade before and I still think it would make a lot of sense. Off the bench Charlotte has Sessions (40% from the field, 22% from 3) and Gordon (36% from the field, 22% from 3) in the backcourt, both of whom are atrocious defenders, so Jack would be a huge upgrade. MKG has been out for three weeks with a broken hand and Charlotte has been much better without him (6-4 without him, 7-11 with him). They're apparently open to trading him too after a disappointing start to his sophomore season.

This trade is much more of a long-term play for Cleveland. MKG wouldn't be much of an upgrade short-term over Gee, but at 20 years old he still has a lot of potential.


4. Earl Clark to Cleveland for CJ Miles

Cleveland could use extra depth at PF with rookie Anthony Bennett not performing as expected, and...oh wait, we already have CJ Miles. He should probably be starting at SF.

 

[Cashius X]

Here are 4 trades that would bring in a SF who's better than Gee without giving up a piece of the core:

1: Jarrett Jack to Denver for Jordan Hamilton and Randy Foye

This makes a lot of sense for Denver since Hamilton will be scrounging for minutes anyway when Gallo comes back. Meanwhile Randy Foye has been garbage for them at SG (9 ppg on 36% shooting) and Jack would be a big upgrade.

Jordan Hamilton is no star, but he's shooting a consistent 37% from 3 over his 3-year career, and he's pretty solid defensively as well. If he continues to develop (he just turned 23 in October) he could be a high-quality 3&D roleplayer for years to come. Randy Foye is obviously not very good and is just coming over for salary reasons. We would need to make sure Mike Brown understands that he is not supposed to be part of the rotation.


2. Tyler Zeller and CJ Miles to Dallas for Jae Crowder and Wayne Ellington

Dallas has resorted to such bizarre moves as starting DeJuan Blair at center, so the addition of Zeller would give them some much-needed depth there. Miles could seamlessly slide in and take the 15-20 minutes Crowder's been playing off the bench, and Wayne Ellington would not be missed at all (he's not in the rotation at the moment).

Most of Crowder's value comes on defense where he's shown potential to be great, but he's also improved on offense since his rookie year, shooting 40% from 3 before going cold in December. Ellington would be extra depth in the backcourt, and could scrape out a rotation role if he finds his shot again.

3. Jarrett Jack to Charlotte for MKG

I've brought up this trade before and I still think it would make a lot of sense. Off the bench Charlotte has Sessions (40% from the field, 22% from 3) and Gordon (36% from the field, 22% from 3) in the backcourt, both of whom are atrocious defenders, so Jack would be a huge upgrade. MKG has been out for three weeks with a broken hand and Charlotte has been much better without him (6-4 without him, 7-11 with him). They're apparently open to trading him too after a disappointing start to his sophomore season.

This trade is much more of a long-term play for Cleveland. MKG wouldn't be much of an upgrade short-term over Gee, but at 20 years old he still has a lot of potential.


4. Earl Clark to Cleveland for CJ Miles

Cleveland could use extra depth at PF with rookie Anthony Bennett not performing as expected, and...oh wait, we already have CJ Miles. He should probably be starting at SF.

I'm sorry but none of these trades make sense for the other teams involved except for the Dallas deal.

Why do you think Denver would want JJ when they just signed Nate Robinson in the off-season AND already have Ty Lawson and Andre Miller. They have an abundance of PGs, I doubt they want any more.

And as for the Charlotte deal. They already have Sessions as their backup PG. And there is no way they'd give up on MKG after 1 season. Especially not for an overpaid Jarrett Jack.

Dallas deal looks pretty good to me though.

 

[Nathan S]

I'm sorry but none of these trades make sense for the other teams involved except for the Dallas deal.

Why do you think Denver would want JJ when they just signed Nate Robinson in the off-season AND already have Ty Lawson and Andre Miller. They have an abundance of PGs, I doubt they want any more.

And as for the Charlotte deal. They already have Sessions as their backup PG. And there is no way they'd give up on MKG after 1 season. Especially not for an overpaid Jarrett Jack.

Dallas deal looks pretty good to me though.

For Denver, it depends on how they see Andre Miller. His numbers look superficially good this season because he's shooting 53% from 3, but he's a career 22% 3-point shooter so that's not gonna last. He'll be 38 by the playoffs. A 3-guard rotation of Lawson and Jack with Robinson coming off the bench looks much better going forward IMO. Plus, they'd be giving up virtually nothing in this trade (a SF who's going to be out of the rotation, and an SG who's one of the worst starters in the entire league).

In Charlotte, Jack's shooting ability would open up the floor so much more for Jefferson. Right now they're shooting 30% from 3 as a team, which is the worst mark in the league by a mile, and it's mostly due to their backcourt where everyone other than Kemba is shooting 27% or worse. I'm sure they would love to have a player like Jack. I admit that this one's probably the longest shot though because they must still have some hope for MKG to get his shit together.

 

[wuck]

NO

The Cavs are over the cap, they would have had to include at least 1 player with salary equal to or greater than Gee

Also the pick that was desired was an unprotected 2014 #1

So again

NO

I don't understand the unprotected #1 trade proposal either (obviously something missing from that report) and I'm not surprised the Cavs don't want to send away their 2014 pick.

I assume the Cavs didn't make the trade of Varajeo for Green because getting Green at SF while giving up a rotating PF/C would close one hole and just open another (and a possibly bigger hole depending on Bynum's health/future).

 

[Birdy89]

I don't understand the unprotected #1 trade proposal either (obviously something missing from that report) and I'm not surprised the Cavs don't want to send away their 2014 pick.

I assume the Cavs didn't make the trade of Varajeo for Green because getting Green at SF while giving up a rotating PF/C would close one hole and just open another (and a possibly bigger hole depending on Bynum's health/future).

I actually would have possibly pulled the trigger on Andy for Green.

In such a scenario you keep Bynum through the season, and Zeller starts playing more minutes at center. TT could play some back-up center, and that would even open up some minutes for bennett which so many are salivating over.

I wouldn't trade our 14 pick, but I would have thought long and hard on Andy for Green. We aren't going to fill that spot without giving something up, and at this point given Andy's age and durability over the course of the past 3 years that is not a bad return.

Andy has slipped this season. Unless we are riding him until the end I don't know what kind of package Grant thinks he is going to get for the guy that would beat filling our SF hole for a reasonable cost.

 

[Pepe Silvia]

There's no way I would give up a 2014 pick for Green, but I would probably have given up Varejao. Green is a bit overpaid, but at least we'd have a competent starting SF for the next 3 years.

Will Andy even be here next season? Honest question b/c I'm not great with salaries. He has an almost 10mil team option next year right? If he's injured again this year and plays under 50 games, would the Cavs bring him back under a new deal with less money?

 

[Uncle Drew]

Call the magic..get Turk..watch the threes fly lol

 

[Nathan S]

I don't get the obsession with Green at all. We already have our two creators in the backcourt (well, three now with Jack)...we don't need a guy like Green at SF. We just need a guy who can shoot, defend, and move the ball. A roleplayer.