Tristan Thompson

[Pjlea28]

I would do Tristan for Bismack all day, especially if it came with a 2nd round pick. Change of scenery could ignite him, Bismack would look much better on a shitty tanking team like ourselves.

Another thing I'd do? Sexton for Charlotte's unprotected 1st. It'll never happen, but it actually makes sense. Charlotte had plenty of interest in Sexton going into the draft, and they'd have their 1-2-3 of the future solidified going forward (Sexton-Monk-Bridges). Again, it'll never happen, but it wouldn't be a bad idea for Charlotte to find their PG of the future to learn from Kemba and hope to get out of NBA purgatory.

I think the Hornets are going to do anything/everything to keep Kemba. Plus he really wants to stay in Charlotte. (from what I understand)

 

[Douglar]

Why do you think TT can do damage in the PnR more than your average C? He is no lob target anymore.

Tristan’s Lob skills are still efective if someone can feed him. He just doesnt have anyone to feed him anymore. Is he as good on offense as your average NBA center? I’d say no. That doesn’t mean he’s trash though.

It is definitely time to get Zizic some more burn, regardless.

 

[inliner311]

Tristan’s Lob skills are still efective if someone can feed him. He just doesnt have anyone to feed him anymore. Is he as good on offense as your average NBA center? I’d say no. That doesn’t mean he’s trash though.

It is definitely time to get Zizic some more burn, regardless.

I'm not sure it's just having a guy that can feed him. He isn't as explosive anymore. His lift and distance he can jump is clearly less than 2 years ago. It's just that much harder to get him the lob. The lob passer now has to be that much more on point and use their counter shot and moves to bait the defense. Which is why I think we haven't seen anyone new actually able to pick up how to hit him with the lob pass consistently in a few years.

 

[enthb]

Tristan’s Lob skills are still efective if someone can feed him. He just doesnt have anyone to feed him anymore. Is he as good on offense as your average NBA center? I’d say no. That doesn’t mean he’s trash though.

It is definitely time to get Zizic some more burn, regardless.

The point is we've seen TT's ceiling and its not that high. Zizic already displays way more skill than tristan so lets give him every opportunity to succeed or fail. Also zizic's basic understanding of help defense is quite a bit better than tristan

 

[Tornicade]

I assume you're not counting when he couldn't even slow down Alex Len, or went 1-10 against the mighty Jarrett Allen, or when Drummond destroyed him for 26 points and 22 rebounds while TT himself had 6 and 3....

On this team in particular, he is a terrible fit because we need more scoring and rim protection than he provides. He may be a better fit on a different team that has more scorers, and better perimeter defense.

TT coudlnt guard both Drummond and Griffin by himself … which is essentially what he was left doing hat entire game and TT has a history of performing well against Drummond.

Alex Len? couldn't slow him down ?
do you not double check what you think your eyes are telling. cause I sure. do.

This team has been showing improvement each game and the defense is showing some improvement.

Len scored 7 points on Tristan Thompson on 4 of 4 shooting.
Thompson meanwhile scored 11 points and had a +35 against Atlanta. of course a Double Double 3 assist and 4 steals would be a bad night in your eyes.

Tristan was guarding Blake Griffin btw. outside of 6 possessions where Drummond didn't take a shot.

Drummond scored 26 on Larry Nance and Channing Frye. and the 10 he dropped on frye was at 40% shooting.

How is it Thompsons fault that Drummond was 7 of 7 on Nance? as far as the rebound it was 2 on 1 every possession regardless if it was nance or Thompson out there.

He sucks, him and Nance playing together is a nightmare.

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Thompson and Nance played together for a total of 16 minutes in ten games ( only 11 of those minutes were legit lineups that was on court for more than a minute. and neither of the 2 lineups had LeBron James

https://stats.nba.com/team/16106127...=Regular Season&sort=MIN&dir=1&PerMode=Totals

 

[Pjlea28]

He played well tonight.

 

[priceFTW]

I agree that TT destroys the offense when there’s not enough shooting on the floor and there isn’t a sure footed play maker. He’s not a guy who can create his own shot outside of oreb put backs

Pair him with a workman like PG and a floor spacing 4 and he can do some damage on the pick and roll.

However the Cavs are sort of like the opposite of that right now.

Interesting stat through 10 games this season:

Cavs’ ORating with TT on court: 109.5
Celtics’ ORating with Kyrie on court: 109.0



Also: Cavs’ ORating with TT on court: 109.5
Cavs’ ORating with TT off court:107.0

Cavs have actually been decent on offense with TT on court.

 

[Cavatt]

Interesting stat through 10 games this season:

Cavs’ ORating with TT on court: 109.5
Celtics’ ORating with Kyrie on court: 109.0



Also: Cavs’ ORating with TT on court: 109.5
Cavs’ ORating with TT off court:107.0

Cavs have actually been decent on offense with TT on court.

He credited Varejao and Perk for giving him advice on screening. He's a great screener.

Wish he was the kind of roll man Andy was

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

He had a very good game no doubt. Kudos.

@priceFTW But mentioning ORTG? still lower than both Nance and Zizic and he played with the first unit compared to the second unit which is unequivocally worse and has a whole have a lower ORTG.

Discounting this game, TT has undeniably hurt the team's offense.

 

[Tornicade]

He had a very good game no doubt. Kudos.

@priceFTW But mentioning ORTG? still lower than both Nance and Zizic and he played with the first unit compared to the second unit which is unequivocally worse and has a whole have a lower ORTG.

Discounting this game, TT has undeniably hurt the team's offense.

Has he ? If you analyze the progression of the Cavs through the first 11 games youll see that Tristan has been key in setting up open shots from three from his teammates.
There was a time when basketball was played without stretch big men and a lot of these younger players don't understand that style of basketball but they are showing signs of adapting.

 Offensive Rating                                                                             
Rk                    Age  G  MP  FGA  FG%  2PA  2P%  TRB AST  TOV  PTS ORtg DRtg
1       Channing Frye  35  1  21  9.4 .500  4.7 .500  9.4 2.3  0.0 11.7  137  118
2         George Hill  32 10 265 16.7 .556 12.1 .585  3.5 5.6  3.0 23.4  122  118
3         Rodney Hood  26 12 327 19.7 .435 15.0 .450  5.0 4.1  1.2 23.3  116  117
4         David Nwaba  26  8  74 10.6 .313  7.3 .364  6.6 2.0  0.7 16.0  116  113
5    Tristan Thompson  27 12 341 15.3 .528 15.3 .528 17.6 3.2  2.5 17.6  115  115
6          Sam Dekker  24  9 169 14.0 .458 10.2 .486  9.6 2.6  1.5 16.6  115  113
7     Jordan Clarkson  26 12 285 28.0 .463 19.0 .536  6.4 3.6  2.6 31.4  109  117
8          Ante Zizic  22 10  79 15.6 .560 15.6 .560 17.4 2.5  6.2 24.9  108  116
9         Larry Nance  26 10 206 16.0 .448 15.3 .469 14.6 6.0  2.9 17.4  105  110
10        Kyle Korver  37 11 168 13.5 .457  4.4 .600  5.0 4.4  3.8 17.9  105  119
11         Kevin Love  30  4 136 23.5 .323 14.8 .341 19.5 5.1  3.6 27.5  103  114
12      Collin Sexton  20 12 306 18.6 .431 16.2 .436  4.7 4.2  4.0 22.5  101  119
13         J.R. Smith  33  8 153 16.4 .353  7.7 .375  4.2 4.2  2.9 17.0   96  113
14         Cedi Osman  23 11 337 18.1 .371 10.7 .397  8.0 4.1  4.5 18.2   89  117
15    Andrew Harrison  24  1  14 14.1 .000 10.5 .000 10.5 0.0 10.5  0.0    0  118
16       John Holland  30  1   1       0.0       0.0  0.0 0.0  0.0       0.0  123

as far as three pointers go. pace adjusted.
The Cavs average 14.3 3 point attemps when Tristan is on the court at 37.9%
TT off court the Cavs average 9.4 Attemps at 30.6 %

in the last 5 games. Cavs Are shooting 42% from three when Jordan Clarkson is off the Court.

Overall in the last 5 games the Team shoots 44% with TT and 40% without him .


Meanwhile the Cavs have shot 48% with Sexton off the Court and 45% with Clarkson off the court.

When TT sets his Screen at the arc it is up to the ball handler to shoot, drive or dish and it is up to the weak side to cut across as an outlet.

The player movement after the arc screen is set is impacting the offense more.

Cavs are averaging 17.7 assist per 100 possessions when Tristan is on and 17.1 assist when he is off in the last 3 games.

19.9 Assist on per 100 possessions and 19.8 off

If TT was having a negative effect on the offense. those assist numbers would higher when TT was off court....they aren't.

Clarkson and sexton do however bring those assist numbers down for the season. however for the last three games Sexton's on court isn't having a negative impact on the court.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Has he ? If you analyze the progression of the Cavs through the first 11 games youll see that Tristan has been key in setting up open shots from three from his teammates.
There was a time when basketball was played without stretch big men and a lot of these younger players don't understand that style of basketball but they are showing signs of adapting.

 Offensive Rating                                                                             
Rk                    Age  G  MP  FGA  FG%  2PA  2P%  TRB AST  TOV  PTS ORtg DRtg
1       Channing Frye  35  1  21  9.4 .500  4.7 .500  9.4 2.3  0.0 11.7  137  118
2         George Hill  32 10 265 16.7 .556 12.1 .585  3.5 5.6  3.0 23.4  122  118
3         Rodney Hood  26 12 327 19.7 .435 15.0 .450  5.0 4.1  1.2 23.3  116  117
4         David Nwaba  26  8  74 10.6 .313  7.3 .364  6.6 2.0  0.7 16.0  116  113
5    Tristan Thompson  27 12 341 15.3 .528 15.3 .528 17.6 3.2  2.5 17.6  115  115
6          Sam Dekker  24  9 169 14.0 .458 10.2 .486  9.6 2.6  1.5 16.6  115  113
7     Jordan Clarkson  26 12 285 28.0 .463 19.0 .536  6.4 3.6  2.6 31.4  109  117
8          Ante Zizic  22 10  79 15.6 .560 15.6 .560 17.4 2.5  6.2 24.9  108  116
9         Larry Nance  26 10 206 16.0 .448 15.3 .469 14.6 6.0  2.9 17.4  105  110
10        Kyle Korver  37 11 168 13.5 .457  4.4 .600  5.0 4.4  3.8 17.9  105  119
11         Kevin Love  30  4 136 23.5 .323 14.8 .341 19.5 5.1  3.6 27.5  103  114
12      Collin Sexton  20 12 306 18.6 .431 16.2 .436  4.7 4.2  4.0 22.5  101  119
13         J.R. Smith  33  8 153 16.4 .353  7.7 .375  4.2 4.2  2.9 17.0   96  113
14         Cedi Osman  23 11 337 18.1 .371 10.7 .397  8.0 4.1  4.5 18.2   89  117
15    Andrew Harrison  24  1  14 14.1 .000 10.5 .000 10.5 0.0 10.5  0.0    0  118
16       John Holland  30  1   1       0.0       0.0  0.0 0.0  0.0       0.0  123

Oooh wee, that game really boosted his stats and lowered both Zizic's and Nance's significantly.

The only open shots he sets are PNR off the dribble. Thing is, it's not very useful for a team that can't shoot off the dribble. What would be far more useful is if we had a rolling option and through that it would open up the corner 3 and increase our attempts at the rim. This would boost our team offense and team chemistry. Jacking up off the dribble shots early in the shotclock by below average off the dribble shooters is not it.

I wanna see Zizic in the starting unit and TT off the bench with Clarkson and Harrison. But Kudos to TT, he had his best game as a Cavalier.

 

[Tornicade]

Oooh wee, that game really boosted his stats and lowered both Zizic's and Nance's significantly.

The only open shots he sets are PNR off the dribble. Thing is, it's not very useful for a team that can't shoot off the dribble. What would be far more useful is if we had a rolling option and through that it would open up the corner 3 and increase our attempts at the rim. This would boost our team offense and team chemistry. Jacking up off the dribble shots early in the shotclock by below average off the dribble shooters is not it.

I wanna see Zizic in the starting unit and TT off the bench with Clarkson and Harrison. But Kudos to TT, he had his best game as a Cavalier.

A play is a sum of its parts.
Using the Pick creates spacing and the ball handler then has multiple options because he has penetrated the defense.

This means you have off the ball movement.

Jacking up shots is one action in a play that has multiple possible action but apparently you forget fundamental basketball.

Zizic is not ready to start nor is the the Caliber of player that Tristan is

best thing for the Cavs the next five weeks is to start Nance and TT bring Zizic off the bench then when love returns Nance and Zizic can fill the frontcourt.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

A play is a sum of its parts.
Using the Pick creates spacing and the ball handler then has multiple options because he has penetrated the defense.

This means you have off the ball movement.

Jacking up shots is one action in a play that has multiple possible action but apparently you forget fundamental basketball.

Lol.

Do you watch the game bro?

None of our ball handlers when they play with TT have multiple options. Their only option is to jack a shot from 3 or from mid range when the Big defenders drops down. You don't see the difference when a ball handler gets a screen from Zizic compared to TT? Are you blind? Not to mention that TT is doing jack shit without the ball.

You are so in love.

 

[buzzdog]

Credit where credit is due, TT played well in this one. But no way in hell should he be anything close to being a go-to option offensively. Keep him as a mop-up guy, quit running shit for him.

 

[Tornicade]

Cavs have always run stuff for Tristan Thompson even when LeBron was here.. Quite a few games Thompson would come in be the roll man beginning the third quarter.

this was typically done when there was a lot of pressure on LeBron to free him up.

Cavs have been competitive in their last three games with Thompson taking 12-14 shots per game.

TT Allows the team tobe competitive its up to the Wings to win these games and so far Osman the Sexton have failed to put the Cavs into the win column.

TT is 24 for 49 in this stretch. two of those games he shot 71% or better.

TT is now averaging a double double.

Tristan is shooting 60% from the restricted area and half of those points are unassisted meaning he is creating offense.

he is hitting his hook shot at 58%

His FG perventage is impacted by his tip ins. shooting 48% on 10 of 21 attempts. 7 of 18 on those tip ins when he is running in outside of the restricted area.

as Hood , Hill and Cedi found TT is a quality roll man just as he was with Irving and Lebron.

Sexton will start utilizing Tristan as well once he gets more comfortable with the starting lineup and using his outlet pass options.


Tristan is very polished at boxing out and setting up screens and is fundamentally sound as well as a leader on the floor. encouraging his guards to take more threes and helping them to learn to communicate on the defensive end of the floor.


ultimately this team would be worse without Tristan Thompson and have a chance to turn their season around because of Tristan Thompson.


This will be a far better team when Love returns than when he went out.

as far as being a rim protector, Capela, Drummond, Ayton, Towns, Anthony Davis, Jokic, horford, Gobert, are all giving up 60%+ shooting within 5 feet of the rim and a bit higher when looking at from the rim.

Tristan meanwhile in the paint non restricted area is only allowing 32% shooting from there and 38% from mid range which is very respectable.

people only notice when Tristan does something wrong or makes a mistake and then blame him for every defensive failure the team has regardless who blew coverage.

Its just cool to bash on TT.

especially when they cite one injury riddle bad regular season out of 6 on a team that didn't care about the regular season despite his playoff performances when everything was on the line.