Tyronn Lue has been fired

[dark2332]

I'd go as far as to say that Blatt was complete bust and an NBA coach. I'd be surprised to see him ever come back.

NBA coaches are paid to get up on a podium several times a week and not embarrass themselves or their team. Blatt was temperamentally unfit to deal with the US press and made enemies for no reason and said head scratching things on a regular basis. NBA coaches need to be able to control a bunch of spoiled, entitled 20 year old millionaires. Blatt's relationship with his stars was so poor that at times that their behavior bordered on out-right mutiny.

But what about the basketball? Maybe he was some sort of basketball savant in Europe, but his basketball coaching in Cleveland looked severely flawed. He couldn't get in bounds plays to work. The offense frequently looked constipated. The team frequently seemed to under perform. The team lost a game on purpose because they were so unhappy with him. For God's sake, Blatt tried to call a timeout that he didn't have when a playoff game was on the line. That's just undeniable coaching incompetence. That just doesn't happen on the NBA level. Anyone who does that is not fit to be an NBA coach.

Some may feel Blatt got an "incomplete" grade in the NBA because of playoff injuries in 2015 and because he got fired before he could take the team back. Whatever. It's a cute little rhetorical place to live. It's a safe, dark little cave where people have a hard time beating on your emotional opinions with cold hard logic. Have fun there, but it doesn't make Blatt look like an NBA success.

Lue has been great. He plays the press like a harp. Seems like the players would take a bullet for the guy. The team is playing like everyone thought it should when three legit max players where brought together. He won a stinkin' ring. He stopped Blatt from calling that timeout back in 2015. What more does the guy have to do to be a better NBA coach than Blatt?

I agree.

The problem is, people like to compare the records. On paper, nothing discernible. But, people fail to realize that LeBron won 60 games with Mike Brown. Literally, anyone we put coaching this team could win 55+ games in the regular season. Anyone. I could, you could. It's because the team is that good and LeBron controls enough of the on-court play.

The value of Lue is as you mentioned, the players listen to him and would run through a wall for him. Therefore, in those clutch situations where someone needs to be told something tough to hear, he does it and they respond well. He's a very smart basketball mind, but he also has that way with people. So, win-loss, you don't see the difference overall in the regular season. However, in tough games against good teams--especially in the playoffs--it's night and day. He's able to get players to buy-in to the adjustments that must be made and they truly believe that they are the keys to turning the game around. Lue is trusted; Blatt was not.

It's like a boss. I wouldn't respect a boss who I think I could do a much better job than. Just like the team with Blatt. Lue, on the other hand, has their respect.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

So.. what you mean to say is.. Blatt's a really great coach; maybe the best ever, right?

I mean, if I'm reading you right (and I'm not, lol), then what you're really saying is that Blatt is the hero Cleveland deserves, but just not the one it needs right now? Is that right? Because surely, Blatt is the next Popovich.. Just none of us are smart enough to understand him... He'll go down as the next Mozart, the next Newton, he's the Chosen One of all sports... Surely this is what you mean to say, right?

Lol what?

 

[gourimoko]

Lol what?

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

No, I understand it's a joke, just not very funny, so I had to double check.

 

[gourimoko]

No, I understand it's a joke, just not very funny, so I had to double check.

Lol, u mad bro?

Did your feelings get hurt?

Buck up soldier!

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Lol, u mad bro?

Did your feelings get hurt?

Buck up soldier!

Damn, you are insufferable. So no, i'm not hurt and my feelings are fine. Just that your stance is very extreme, it's like he did something real bad to you.
We get it, you hate David Blatt and think he is a terrible coach but this poor attempt at trying to be funny was just unnecessary and childish eventhough I know for a fact that you are a robot that likes to quote everything.

 

[gourimoko]

Damn, you are insufferable.

I'll take that as a yes... Relax man, Blatt will be fine doing whatever it is he's doing.. He doesn't need you to worry so deeply about his well being.

So no, i'm not hurt and my feelings are fine. Just that your stance is very extreme, it's like he did something real bad to you.

Sure bro...

We get it, you hate David Blatt and think he is a terrible coach but this poor attempt at trying to be funny was just unnecessary and childish eventhough I know for a fact that you are a robot that likes to quote everything.

Yeah man, you might want to try again...

I argued that Blatt should be hired over Ty Lue long before you showed up on this board.

I was a pretty big fan of his early on and argued that he should be given the reigns to run the team. I argued that he had gotten the shaft and that he'd be the best coach to teach Kyrie Irving how to run an offense...

Even during the Christmas game blowout I said we shouldn't fire him when the majority of users were calling for his head.

When Blatt got fired, you can check the thread I said: "this is a huge mistake."

I didn't change my opinion until McMenamin, Windhorst, Lloyd and folks who know what they're talking about chimed in and explained why Blatt was fired. All of my posts speak for themselves.

But believe me, I get it... I must "hate" Blatt.. there's gotta be something personal about it.. Otherwise, I'd surely see how great of a coach he truly is...

 

[godfather]

Gour was pretty pro-Blatt. It was after all the stuff was leaked by Windy and Lloyd that he changed his tune.

I and many thought this was the organization's way of just glorifying how bad Blatt was to make the firing look more justified. But, hard to argue they were right. Blatt had to go. I think we all felt a little bad for the guy. It wasn't personal, but looking back, I don't regret it one bit.

We won it all, and I do not think we'd have won this year's title with Blatt. The following year, yes, but not the one we won. Lue held the ship together something Blatt just couldn't do. Lue actually implemented things to benefit all of the big-3. Something Blatt failed to do.

 

[scopedog]

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Lue also doesn't flinch up and make a scared little girl face when a wayward out of bounds ball is headed toward him.

 

[Cavatt]

I'd go as far as to say that Blatt was complete bust and an NBA coach. I'd be surprised to see him ever come back.

NBA coaches are paid to get up on a podium several times a week and not embarrass themselves or their team. Blatt was temperamentally unfit to deal with the US press and made enemies for no reason and said head scratching things on a regular basis. NBA coaches need to be able to control a bunch of spoiled, entitled 20 year old millionaires. Blatt's relationship with his stars was so poor that at times that their behavior bordered on out-right mutiny.

But what about the basketball? Maybe he was some sort of basketball savant in Europe, but his basketball coaching in Cleveland looked severely flawed. He couldn't get in bounds plays to work. The offense frequently looked constipated. The team frequently seemed to under perform. The team lost a game on purpose because they were so unhappy with him. For God's sake, Blatt tried to call a timeout that he didn't have when a playoff game was on the line. That's just undeniable coaching incompetence. That just doesn't happen on the NBA level. Anyone who does that is not fit to be an NBA coach.

Some may feel Blatt got an "incomplete" grade in the NBA because of playoff injuries in 2015 and because he got fired before he could take the team back. Whatever. It's a cute little rhetorical place to live. It's a safe, dark little cave where people have a hard time beating on your emotional opinions with cold hard logic. Have fun there, but it doesn't make Blatt look like an NBA success.

Lue has been great. He plays the press like a harp. Seems like the players would take a bullet for the guy. The team is playing like everyone thought it should when three legit max players where brought together. He won a stinkin' ring. He stopped Blatt from calling that timeout back in 2015. What more does the guy have to do to be a better NBA coach than Blatt?

I really liked Blatt and I have defended him before. I think this post is a little unfair. Yes, he definitely made some mistakes and some costly ones. We don't know exactly what went wrong with the players, but he reacted the wrong way to them and wasn't able to get up to speed fast enough.

Also, he was really supposed to build the team from the ground up, but then had to become a contender on the fly where he won 2 finals games and should have won the first one too IMO. He had some bad luck with injuries in addition to some bad decisions. Shump wasn't even himself and Delly was dead after game 3.

At the end of that 2015 series I didn't think anyone else coaching would have made a difference. The guys pretty clearly ran out of gas and couldn't defend anymore.

Mad props to Lue. He proved me wrong and has exceeded my expectations. I think Blatt could still make it as an NBA coach, but he would have to humble himself a bit and should become an assistant for awhile to get the culture better.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

Who's worse; Sir'Dominic Pointer the basketball player or Sir'Dominic Pointer the poster?

 

[David.]

Who's worse; Sir'Dominic Pointer the basketball player or Sir'Dominic Pointer the poster?

He's good poster, just needs to watch tone

 

[gourimoko]

He's good poster,

 

[David.]

His basketball content absolutely belongs on the board. The tone should be adjusted.

 

[cavsfever]

It's irrational thinking, and requires misremembering history in order to participate. Frankly, I'm good on this kind of nonsensical hero worship. Blatt wasn't a good coach during his time in the NBA. I'm not sure why we need to pretend that he was?

This seems quite unfair to me. In 2015 Blatt righted the ship under intense pressure after a horrible first half of the season. Then we had a tremendous run through the East playoffs and went six games against a very good Warriors team with two of our top three players injured. Blatt's defensive game planning in that Finals series was really good. I don't see how any coach could have done better with the personnel problems we had. (Maybe playing Marion more, that's about all I saw). We were 31-11 when he was fired, which was an excellent record, and we did that with Kyrie and Shump out injured and KLove recovering. Granted all coaches get a boost having Lebron on their team, but I think an objective look at the record says he did very well dealing with a lot of adversity.

Lue had his adjustment troubles when he first took the team over too -- remember how we looked after that NJ game, and the defensive issues in the second half of the regular 2016 season? Not saying Lue isn't a great coach, he is, but it's a reminder that the job is not easy.

In the end it seems Lue is better than Blatt because he's both/and -- seems to be as good at adjustments and Xs and Os as Blatt (I had some doubts about this for a while in terms of defensive adjustments, but he's proved his skills), but deals with the player relationships and the emotional leadership end of coaching much better than Blatt. Lue has the potential to be an all-time great coach IMO and we are very lucky to have him. But that doesn't mean we have to retrospectively tear down Blatt. The two have nothing to do with each other.