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I will admit that it is frustrating we did not develop guys, but the roster had constant turnover this year, as well as key injurys to main rotation players. We are asking a lot of Lou is his first full year as head coach, he has not had time to estiablish a culture and scheme where he can just plug and play like Kerr and Pop can do. He does have the best player in the game, and has to focus on winning at all times, where if you look back at the year I hope he sees he could have played guys more mins and ended up with the same record of better. I think we need to give him another year or two as he is figuring it out. As an X and O guys he is great at that, just needs to learn how to develop players, and adjust in game.
 
I see it a little differently. Hes spastic and rides LBJ as far as he can, throwing guys out there hoping to see who sticks.
They're in the playoffs and he's running five guys out there that have barely played together on the floor at once.
It worked out, but because Lebron played the entire second half.
He's developed nothing outside of Lebron. With two other alleged all stars and a wealth of shooting that's really unacceptable with the salary of this team. They acquired an athletic big in D Williams and he buried him in favor of an aging Richard Jefferson.
After Lebron, what has he done? (But he doesn't have LBJ complaining so there is value in that).

Dude this is Derrick Williams your talking about a guy waived by a team that was fighting to make the playoffs. I sort of get it as I like Derrick but the dude is on this third team in 2 years.
 
Dude this is Derrick Williams your talking about a guy waived by a team that was fighting to make the playoffs. I sort of get it as I like Derrick but the dude is on this third team in 2 years.


You're right - I think the Derrick Williams fascination is too much in general. But the more basic point about Lue not really developing people, and just throwing combos out there to see what sticks on any given day, is pretty accurate.
 
Dude this is Derrick Williams your talking about a guy waived by a team that was fighting to make the playoffs. I sort of get it as I like Derrick but the dude is on this third team in 2 years.

I use him as an example because they played pretty damn good ball in february and Williams played a lot during that period.
Instead of continuing to carve a role for him Lue simply cut him out.
As a coach he has dealt with a lot of injuries this year, and that has played into the LBJ usage.
He's not going anywhere nor should he, but he needs to develop something outside of Lebron. Williams comes up because it was an opportunity to develop something and he shitcanned it.
 
Fucked up with rotation at the end of the game. Deron was to good today to sit on the bench in the crucial time.
 
We can run something other than LeIso or KyIso in the 4th...
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I promise this problem lays with Kyrie and Lebron. Lue is not calling it from the sidelines. He needs to get them to listen better but in crunch time, even Phil had a hard time getting MJ/Kobe/Shaq to pass the ball. That's the NBA for you.
 
We can run something other than LeIso or KyIso in the 4th...

As much hate as it gets it has worked for us. When you have 2 of the best one on one players ever you went to get them into the best position to score. Get a favorable switch and attack.

I'd just like to see less of it in the first 3 qtrs. That's when we need the others to step up.
 
Lue's job is not to develop players at this point in time. His job is to try to win a title this year, period. He'll put whatever combination of players out there that gives him a chance to win one series at a time and that might change from series to series.

Developing players might become a priority at some future time but right now that's not remotely on the radar with the exception of Felder, and now possibly Tavares.
 
Lue says Lebron needs to play 48 minutes every game!

OK, not quite, but close...this is definitely the most insight we have gotten into Lue's "ride Lebron all game long and pray he doesn't get tired" strategy of minutes management.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...red-lebron-james-increased-postseason-minutes

Cavs coach Tyronn Lue not bothered by LeBron James' increased postseason minutes
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    Dave McMenaminESPN Staff Writer
INDEPENDENCE, Ohio -- Cleveland Cavaliers coach Tyronn Lue has no reservations about playing LeBron James 43.8 minutes per game in his team's first-round sweep of the Indiana Pacers and, in fact, believes other coaches should ride their stars more in the postseason.

"Of course, we're always cognizant of LeBron's minutes, but in looking at this situation, we didn't look at the minutes as an issue," Lue told ESPN. "It makes more sense to close out the series and have the additional rest versus playing potentially even more minutes, potentially 96-144 more minutes. Closing out and the rest that comes with it far outweighs the other potential scenario."

James led the way for the Cavs against the Pacers with series averages of 32.8 points, 9.8 rebounds, 9.0 assists, 3.0 steals and 2.0 blocks. At 32 years old and in his 14th season, his 43.8 minutes per game in the postseason currently leads all players. It is an uptick from his 37.8 minutes per game in the regular season, which also led the league, the most he's played since the 2012-13 season in Miami.

"I mean, I don't understand why people make a big deal out of minutes," Lue told reporters Wednesday, when his team had its first full practice session as a group since sweeping Indiana on Sunday. "He had a week off before the series started. We won four straight games, and then he had a week off again. So next [series] he might play 48 minutes."

James will end up having played only four games in three weeks by the time the Cavs' second-round series tips off Monday against either the Toronto Raptors or the Milwaukee Bucks.

"It's just part of the playoffs -- how he's feeling, how the games are going," said Lue, who played James the entire second half of Game 3 against the Pacers when Cleveland rallied back from down 26 in the third quarter to win. "But there's no back-to-backs.

"Teams are suffering because they listen to what the media is saying about guys playing minutes."

Suffering?

"Some teams should play some guys more minutes, and it would've been different series," Lue explained without naming names. "So, whatever."

Oklahoma City's Russell Westbrook averaged 38.8 minutes per game in the Thunder's five-game loss to the Houston Rockets. The Thunder struggled mightily when he went to the bench in the series. OKC was plus-15 with him on the court and minus-58 with him off of it. That minus-58 came in just 46 minutes, so the Thunder were outscored 137-79 in an amount of time nearly equivalent to a regulation game, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

"I think a lot of guys are capable of doing that," Lue said when asked what percentage of players could play 40-plus minutes and not have a significant drop off in performance. "A lot of guys are taking care of their body. NBA players are some of the best-conditioned guys in athletics in their sport, so they can definitely do it. I think a lot of times coaches get sidetracked by what other guys, what the media said or whatever. But you just got to go off what you feel, how the guys feel, how the players feel and what your team needs at this time. So, if Bron plays 46 minutes and [Kyrie Irving] plays 45 minutes and we win, then it's worth it. And if we need them to play that many minutes to win in the playoffs, then it's absolutely worth it."

Cavs coach Tyronn Lue notes that with no back-to-backs in the playoffs and a sweep in the first round, LeBron James is getting plenty of rest, just not necessarily during games. Nathaniel S. Butler/NBAE/Getty Images
Lue argued that James' regular-season workload prepared him for the extended run now.

"Bron today just said he feels worse when he doesn't play," Lue said. "Like right now, he said he feels worse, so, we just got to gauge it and see how he feels. Everyone else's minutes were great outside of LeBron. He said he feels great. He didn't really have a defensive assignment. He was able to roam off guys during the series and, so, it was good for him. With him playing the minutes he played during [the] course of the regular season, it has helped him in the playoffs. Now he is able to play those 42, 43 minutes. Because he's used to it. His body can take it, so, I'm not worried about what outside people say."

James addressed his heavy minutes following Game 4.

"The game plan is from the coaching staff," James said. "Coaches always ask me how I'm feeling throughout the game, and I feel great. If I'm out on the floor and I'm hurting us by playing a lot of minutes, then I need to come out. But in this series, I played a lot of minutes, and I felt great. I actually could have played the whole game if need be."

This wasn't hyperbole by James. Multiple team sources told ESPN that James tried to plead his case to stay in the game when being subbed out briefly at the end of the third quarter of Game 4.

Lue added that James has benefited by scheduled games off to rest during the regular season and rarely practicing in order to preserve his body for the long haul.

"We gave him games off here and there, but also, for him to play those kinds of minutes, it was good for him because he said he was able to stay in shape because we wasn't practicing as much," Lue said. "He knows his body better than anyone. He said he feels great, and he feels worse when he doesn't play, so we'll see how that works out."

Of course, not every player is like James. Irving's minutes actually dropped from 35.1 per game in the regular season to 34.3 in the first round. Would he be able to play the entire game in the playoffs like James?

"I mean, that is, man, that is like an emergency glass, break just in case, if the situation calls for it to play 48 minutes," Irving said. "At any given time, whether guys are tired or hurt, I think they'll stay out there as long as possible. But we leave the minutes situation to T-Lue in terms of the rotation. In terms of the preparation that goes without people seeing, that's far, beginning in the summertime and including the regular season and amping it up a little bit in the playoffs as well as being smart. So, you just try to prepare as much as you can to be able to sustain a high level of play for as long as you can."

Still, it seems like James -- who Lue referred to as "Benjamin Button," the fictional movie character played by Brad Pitt who aged in reverse -- is a special case.

"It's impressive," Irving said. "It's impressive. It's impressive, man. It's nothing short of impressive. So, I mean he does an incredible job of just taking care of his body, making sure he's prepared. So you got to give credit to a man like that."
 
Defense is the most tiring aspect and James is allowed to take it easy on that end. Guys complaining about James' minutes are going to be mad come finals time if we face the Warriors. Reality is we're going to need this guy to produce near 48 minutes DPOY defense while also dominating the post. Let's cool it with the minutes talk till end of season when we can get some defensive guys to further lighten the load. Lebron has always enjoyed playing big minutes. If he had a problem he would have voiced his displeasure the same way he did our lack of playmaking. He would also stop checking himself into games.

What I absolutely hate is when other guys see James taking it easy on D and do the same like they have the same level of responsibility he does. I say we get in some guys with defensive initiative
 
Lebron has always enjoyed playing big minutes. If he had a problem he would have voiced his displeasure the same way he did our lack of playmaking.

LeBron sure didn’t hesitate to voice his displeasure at playing too many minutes when Blatt was coach :chuckle:
 
"I mean, I don't understand why people make a big deal out of minutes," Lue told reporters Wednesday, when his team had its first full practice session as a group since sweeping Indiana on Sunday.

If you could ^%$#@!& coach, LeBron's minutes wouldn't be a problem. The team would produce when he sits.
 
If you could ^%$#@!& coach, LeBron's minutes wouldn't be a problem. The team would produce when he sits.

Problem is.. nearly every Lebron Team ever had that problem.. yes this year its even worse because we didnt have a consistent roster that can work on playing good without Lebron. Say a set bench group that plays all year... we didnt have that.. and most of that is not! Lue's fault.

I'm not absolving Lue here.. you are right its his responsibility for next year when we hopefully can have a solid set roster from training camp on.. to work on beeing better with Lebron on the Bench.

I am not expecting much in this regard on the fly now in the Playoffs.. well maybe we will be surpised.. we finally seem to have found a set rotation so maybe with the continuity it gets better.

Also last year Lebrons Minutes actually went down significantly from 1st Round to Second and EFC.. From like 42 against Det to 37 against ATL and 36.6 against TOR.. so if we finally actually have flipped the switch and have some blowouts.. Lebrons minutes will go down automatically.
 

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