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Tyronn Lue has been fired

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As boldly predicted , Ty Lue has won post season coach on the year award. Congrats Lue on a great post season!!
 
buzzdog said:
Brilliant. I'm sure that's all they care about.
You are a soopergenius.
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I like you Buzzdog. You're one of the rare "keep things positive" posters on this forum.

I tried to do the same with Lue for YEARS, but his mistakes during the 2017 finals were the breaking point for me. I don't need to know the players opinions to form my own opinions about Lue.

I'm glad you're trying to stay positive. I think a diversity of opinions is a good thing. I disagree with you about Lue, but I respect what you're trying to do.
 
TitleTown said:
I like you Buzzdog. You're one of the rare "keep things positive" posters on this forum.

I tried to do the same with Lue for YEARS, but his mistakes during the 2017 finals were the breaking point for me. I don't need to know the players opinions to form my own opinions about Lue.

I'm glad you're trying to stay positive. I think a diversity of opinions is a good thing. I disagree with you about Lue, but I respect what you're trying to do.
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Thanks man. Look, I'm not crazy about Lue in general. I flat out disagree with a lot of his choices.

And to be sure everyone is entitled to their opinion. But one other trait of mine is when people gang up on one guy I have a tendency to at least examine the contrarian view, and not go into lockstep with the more dominant groupthink POV.

So I think it is valid to wonder why NBA insiders and players seem to stick up for Lue the way they do, and why is there such a radical disconnect between those guys and the Cavs fan POV.

But if anyone dares to express such a contrarian opinion, you get attacked in the bitchiest and most petty way.

I'd absolutely LOVE to see a Brad Stevens type coach running this team. But I have to say, do we really know what Lue would do if he was in more of a rebuilding situation? How much are Lue's decisions affected by the presence of Lebron? The groupthink seems to be that Lue is only what we've seen to date, and this fails to take into account that Lue has never NOT been navigating NBA finals expectations on a Lebron dominated team with constant roster turnover and mostly aging unreliable vet players.

I think it's a mistake to judge Lue in a vacuum and without considering all these circumstances. I know I'll draw a lot of fire for even suggesting that Lue might not be the anti-Christ, but... whatevs...
 
This site ranks Lue 10th best coach in the playoffs-- between Stottts #11 and Thibodeau #9

https://www.complex.com/sports/ranking-all-16-coaches-in-the-nba-playoffs/tyronn-lue

Lue is another coach who gets flak for inheriting a talented roster. It should be noted, however, that when he took over for David Blatt in 2015-16, that team was a mess. Lue stepped in and led the Cavs to an NBA title. Granted, he has the best player in the league, and many joke that LeBron is the real coach. That may be partially true; LBJ holds undeniable sway over the team’s decision-making, and his voice is likely the loudest in the huddle when it really matters.

Lue isn’t the best X’s and O’s coach, he’s made questionable personnel decisions, and his communication isn’t always great. He appears to be adept, however, at managing personalities. His players like him. That may not be quantifiable, but it’s important. Lue has a 29-10 postseason record in his head-coaching career.​
 
Douglar said:
This site ranks Lue 10th best coach in the league-- between Stottts #11 and Thibodeau #9

https://www.complex.com/sports/ranking-all-16-coaches-in-the-nba-playoffs/tyronn-lue

Lue is another coach who gets flak for inheriting a talented roster. It should be noted, however, that when he took over for David Blatt in 2015-16, that team was a mess. Lue stepped in and led the Cavs to an NBA title. Granted, he has the best player in the league, and many joke that LeBron is the real coach. That may be partially true; LBJ holds undeniable sway over the team’s decision-making, and his voice is likely the loudest in the huddle when it really matters.

Lue isn’t the best X’s and O’s coach, he’s made questionable personnel decisions, and his communication isn’t always great. He appears to be adept, however, at managing personalities. His players like him. That may not be quantifiable, but it’s important. Lue has a 29-10 postseason record in his head-coaching career.​
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Surprise...the media keeps sucking Lue's dick. Water is wet.
 
Douglar said:
This site ranks Lue 10th best coach in the playoffs
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Ethan said:
The players are biased. They will side with whoever makes them work the least.
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Blatt tried that approach to make Lebron like him. Lebron thought less of him for it. So did the rest of the team.

https://theundefeated.com/features/...ues-coaching-greatness-2018-nba-playoffs-ecf/

It’s hard to coach superstars, Lue said. “You have to get them to buy into your plan, your vision. You must have a shared vision.

“The players run the league,” Lue said. “This is not college, where the coach runs it. It’s not overseas. This is the NBA, so when you have those great players, they run the league. If they’re not happy with you, you’ll be gone.”

As we concluded the conversation, Lue thought about the future and said at some point in his head-coaching career, he would like to coach a team of younger, less experienced players.

Obviously, the run with James and a veteran Cavaliers team has been great.

“I’ve seen that side. I’ve dealt with a veteran team for the last three years,” Lue said. “If I get a chance or an opportunity, I would like to coach younger talent to see if I can coach those guys to take on my personality, coach them and mold them to the team I want them to be.”

He added that it’s rewarding to coach veteran teams like Cleveland because the players have been through the battles, they know who they are.

“When you coach a veteran team, you can’t mold,” he said. “They already are who they are. There is no changing those guys — which is not a bad thing.”

Lue said coaches are no different from players who want to challenge themselves.

His challenge would be eventually winning with the type of younger players Cleveland traded for this season. “You want to take on a different role and responsibility, that you can coach a young team and mold that team to be a good team, a tough team, a playoff team when they have not won,” Lue said.
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Douglar said:
Do you think there's some sort of media conspiracy to promote Lue?
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Not a conspiracy. Lue is protected mainly because he is Lebron's guy. There is absolutely no reason for the media to trash the guy and expose him for what he is.

They refuse to ask him the the questions that needs to be asked; the questions that all of us want to hear the answers too...questions that would have been asked had we hired any other coach. And in the playoffs, when they finaly had the guts to ask him about the reasons for sticking with his guys and not giving a chance to the younger guys, he scoffed at the question and signaled for the next question. And even then, they were very hesitant about it and not very direct.

Thing is, Blatt was asked bluntly about Lebron's minutes after every game at the time when he had a much shorter rotations with a bunch of has beens, and Lue wasn't even asked once about Lebron playing 48 minutes per game since the Eastern Finals.

There is a huge bias in the media towards Lue when compared to any other coach in the NBA, and remarkably so when compared to Blatt.

It is either a ridiculous bias towards Lue or tremendous hatred towards Blatt...or both. Doesn't matter. Blatt objectively was a much better coach than Lue, and I thought he wasn't perfect in his first season...but when compare to Lue he looked like a genius.
 
Douglar said:
This site ranks Lue 10th best coach in the playoffs-- between Stottts #11 and Thibodeau #9

https://www.complex.com/sports/ranking-all-16-coaches-in-the-nba-playoffs/tyronn-lue

Lue is another coach who gets flak for inheriting a talented roster. It should be noted, however, that when he took over for David Blatt in 2015-16, that team was a mess. Lue stepped in and led the Cavs to an NBA title. Granted, he has the best player in the league, and many joke that LeBron is the real coach. That may be partially true; LBJ holds undeniable sway over the team’s decision-making, and his voice is likely the loudest in the huddle when it really matters.

Lue isn’t the best X’s and O’s coach, he’s made questionable personnel decisions, and his communication isn’t always great. He appears to be adept, however, at managing personalities. His players like him. That may not be quantifiable, but it’s important. Lue has a 29-10 postseason record in his head-coaching career.​
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So not good at anything except being friends with the players. I mean that sounds like an indictment
 
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