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flamez said:
I've never been high on Chandler, CP3 spoon feeds the guy.

If we get a guy like Bosh or Amare for the PF spot, then a guy like Chanlder may not be that bad.

I still prefer someone else though for our Center position.
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You cant spoon feed D and that is what we need at the center spot. There isnt another center that the cavs have to shot at to add with as good D that is under the age 28. We need a center more then a PF. Hickson is going to be a nice center in 2 years.
 
We need to stop thinking that getting a player like Bosh or Amare is a very realistic possibility. It would be great but it's not like the odds are really good.

I think there was some discussion a while back about the Cavs possibly making a run at Chandler or Chris Kamen. Both fit the profile of still young big men with big contracts who could be possibilities to get moved in the next year.

Something I've thought the Cavs could use is a long athletic big man. Chandler is that type of player. He's not perfect and is paid too much but would be a nice addition and I think improve the Cavs defense even more.
If the price was right I'd be fine with it if the Cavs traded for Chandler.
 
Kaman is more likely. I recently read NO is in a better situation financially now than they were at the deadline. I don't think Chandler is moved for nothing this off-season, and if he is..it will to be OKC, Memphis, or Detroit where they have straight up instant cap-relief to offer them.

If they really are in financial ruin, we'd have to take Posey or Peja AND Chandler to be in the running for getting him, and that'd be a LOT of post 2010 salary.
 
Ben+Chandler=a No No..We need more an offensive big...Not saying i dont want Defense though
 
WestFo3 said:
We are trading Ben for Chandler.:eek:
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No, we're not. For crying out loud.

I'll explain this once. The motivation of New Orleans to trade Tyson Chandler is that they are in financial trouble now, and they need to shed salary for next year. This is why they were willing to give Chandler away at the trade deadline, to Oklahoma City for the expiring contracts of Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox.

New Orleans is in dire financial straits, dire enough that they were one of the recipients of the David Stern-engineered financial "bailout" of NBA teams about a month ago. Despite this, they currently have a luxury tax number of $77M next year - well above what will be a shrinking luxury tax level for 2009-2010.

Ben Wallace makes $14M next year. Tyson Chandler makes $12.2M. How, exactly, will trading the two help New Orleans next year?

The fact that Chandler would come off their cap for 2010-2011 is not a relevant consideration right now for the Hornets. They need to make a move with their 2009-2010 survival in mind, and they need to find a way to get under the luxury tax now.

The trades that will be attractive to New Orleans will include: trading Chandler to a team with salary cap space, such as Detroit, Memphis, or Oklahoma City, if one of those teams is willing to blow their salary cap space on Chandler. Otherwise, New Orleans will look to trade Chandler for someone that has a partially guaranteed contract for next year - like Sasha Pavlovic.

Now, I can absolutely see New Orleans offering us Chandler for Varejao-and-Pavlovic, with Andy going out in a sign-and-trade. New Orleans would then waive Pavlovic, and would save about $5M in salary and an equal amount in luxury tax next year. That trade, I think, would be ours for the taking if we want it. The other option for New Orleans will be Dallas, in a combination that sends Chandler to Dallas and sends Jerry Stackhouse's partially guaranteed contract to New Orleans.

However, there is no chance that the Hornets will take a Wallace-for-Chandler offer from the Cavs. None. Okay?

EDIT, 6/3/09. I should note that I posted this before there was discussion about Big Ben taking a buyout for next year and retiring. Obviously, the situation has now changed.
 
Joel said:
No, we're not. For crying out loud.

I'll explain this once. The motivation of New Orleans to trade Tyson Chandler is that they are in financial trouble now, and they need to shed salary for next year. This is why they were willing to give Chandler away at the trade deadline, to Oklahoma City for the expiring contracts of Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox.

New Orleans is in dire financial straits, dire enough that they were one of the recipients of the David Stern-engineered financial "bailout" of NBA teams about a month ago. Despite this, they currently have a luxury tax number of $77M next year - well above what will be a shrinking luxury tax level for 2009-2010.

Ben Wallace makes $14M next year. Tyson Chandler makes $12.2M. How, exactly, will trading the two help New Orleans next year?

The fact that Chandler would come off their cap for 2010-2011 is not a relevant consideration right now for the Hornets. They need to make a move with their 2009-2010 survival in mind, and they need to find a way to get under the luxury tax now.

The trades that will be attractive to New Orleans will include: trading Chandler to a team with salary cap space, such as Detroit, Memphis, or Oklahoma City, if one of those teams is willing to blow their salary cap space on Chandler. Otherwise, New Orleans will look to trade Chandler for someone that has a partially guaranteed contract for next year - like Sasha Pavlovic.

Now, I can absolutely see New Orleans offering us Chandler for Varejao-and-Pavlovic, with Andy going out in a sign-and-trade. New Orleans would then waive Pavlovic, and would save about $5M in salary and an equal amount in luxury tax next year. That trade, I think, would be ours for the taking if we want it. The other option for New Orleans will be Dallas, in a combination that sends Chandler to Dallas and sends Jerry Stackhouse's partially guaranteed contract to New Orleans.

However, there is no chance that the Hornets will take a Wallace-for-Chandler offer from the Cavs. None. Okay?
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Posey and Chandler? Ben and Pavs and if Ben wants a buy out they save even more. There is many ways around this. Also in the long run it saves them almost 20 million dollars of salary because Ben is an expirer where as TC has 3 more years.
 
Mdog1 said:
Posey and Chandler? Ben and Pavs and if Ben wants a buy out they save even more..
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Would you turn down 14M that you can't possibly EVER get back? There's no friggin way Ben even gets MLE on the open market.
 
New Orleans' financial situation hasnt changed. They will still be looking at losing money next year.

A trade for Chandler would involve Ben Wallace and taking back an addition contract from New Orleans so that they shave money off the cap for the 09-10 season and after that.
 
Mdog1 said:
Posey and Chandler? Ben and Pavs and if Ben wants a buy out they save even more. There is many ways around this. Also in the long run it saves them almost 20 million dollars of salary because Ben is an expirer where as TC has 3 more years.
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That isn't a bad thought, but New Orleans takes on $15M in this deal (after waiving Sasha) and sends out $18.3M for 2009-2010 - so, only a $3.3M savings, which isn't enough to get them out from under the luxury tax next year. New Orleans will only trade Chandler if they can reduce salary enough for to get under the luxury tax for 2009-2010.

On the other hand, a slightly larger trade might get it done. If we added Darnell Jackson and Tarence Kinsey to the deal, we could take back Tyson Chandler, James Posey, and Antonio Daniels. That would save New Orleans about $8.3M for 2009-2010 (after waiving Sasha), which would probably get them under the luxury tax. They would probably be interested in doing that deal.
 
action8 said:
Would you turn down 14M that you can't possibly EVER get back? There's no friggin way Ben even gets MLE on the open market.
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No, but he could take a say 12 million dollar buy out, and then goes to a contender for part of their MLE then he would still get the same amount or near the same amount of money and NOH would still get the large savings.
 
Mdog1 said:
No, but he could take a say 12 million dollar buy out, and then goes to a contender for part of their MLE then he would still get the same amount or near the same amount of money and NOH would still get the large savings.
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Man, if they are that desperate for money they can just pay off the guys they have. Here Tyson, here's 9M for showing up, go get yourself a big fat contract elsewhere. Not seeing it.
 
I would think the Hornets might have more interest in dumping Morris Peterson than Posey. Posey has more value to them and is making slightly less money than Mo Pete the next 2 seasons although his contract runs 1 year longer.
Mo Pete has completely fallen off this season but I don't know if it's due to injury problems. He had been a fairly solid player prior to this.
 
action8 said:
Man, if they are that desperate for money they can just pay off the guys they have. Here Tyson, here's 9M for showing up, go get yourself a big fat contract elsewhere. Not seeing it.
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They could say that, but the player also has to agree to it so there is no chance that TC takes a three count them three year deal buy out for only 9 million.
 
I'm not high on adding any player that can't consistently knock down a mid-range jumper.
 
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