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macbdog said:
I don't think Keys was endorsing it, just saying that's what he foresaw occurring
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He called it a perfect fit.

Unless he meant a perfect fit of suckage? I dunno.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Wait, weren't you just complaining about "shotgun marriages" with Dorsey and Hue? Zampese at QB coach or OC is the exact opposite than a shotgun marriage. If the Browns grab Ryan from Texas and Zampese, there's some continuity.
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It’s not a shotgun marriage, no. But haven’t we established by now that continuity goes out the window if a guy is terrible at his role?
 
CBBI said:
It’s not a shotgun marriage, no. But haven’t we established by now that continuity goes out the window if a guy is terrible at his role?
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You have really cornered the market in hyperbole lately, mostly hyperbole in the negative. That's understandable, we went 0-16. The temptation to cover everything with gas and set it on fire in the fanbase will always be there after a bad season.

But ownership is trying to walk a more responsible line between upheaval and continuity. After all those years flipping from 3-4 to 4-3 and back again, I hope the idea of balance from year to year isn't dismissed.

Zampese and Hue have worked together for a long time. Hue and Al Saunders were also close with Zampese's father. I'm sure Dorsey will seek out some influence to mix in with Hue's people, but the more Hue delegates to people he trusts, the more focus he can put into being a head coach. It seems like Hue wanted to do everything himself the past two years, Zampese can regroup from a bad summer and get back to what made him a top assistant a few years ago.
 
Randolphkeys said:
You have really cornered the market in hyperbole lately, mostly hyperbole in the negative. That's understandable, we went 0-16. The temptation to cover everything with gas and set it on fire in the fanbase will always be there after a bad season.

But ownership is trying to walk a more responsible line between upheaval and continuity. After all those years flipping from 3-4 to 4-3 and back again, I hope the idea of balance from year to year isn't dismissed.

Zampese and Hue have worked together for a long time. Hue and Al Saunders we're also close with Zampese's father. I'm sure Dorsey will seek out some influence to mix in with Hue's people, but the more Hue delegates to people he trusts, the more focus he can put into being a head coach. It seems like Hue wanted to do everything himself the past two years, Zampese can regroup from a bad summer and get back to what made him a top assistant a few years ago.
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Every single thing you said is perfectly fine. I completely get what your saying. I really do.

It doesn’t change the fact that Zampese’s first and only effort as an NFL offensive coordinator went so poorly that he got fired two games into the season.

Like... at some point “can you perform your duties well?” supersedes “is your manager comfortable working with you?”, right?

If Zampese is just going to be the QB coach? So be it.

But the Browns don’t have an opening on the staff for a QB coach right now. So I’m assuming it’s for a role (OC) that Zampese massively failed at THIS season.
 
CBBI said:
Every single thing you said is perfectly fine. I completely get what your saying. I really do.

It doesn’t change the fact that Zampese’s first and only effort as an NFL offensive coordinator went so poorly that he got fired two games into the season.

Like... at some point “can you perform your duties well?” supersedes “is your manager comfortable working with you?”, right?

If Zampese is just going to be the QB coach? So be it.

But the Browns don’t have an opening on the staff for a QB coach right now. So I’m assuming it’s for a role (OC) that Zampese massively failed at THIS season.
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Considering how poorly all the QBs played, I don't see any problem with QB coach being a new hire
 
CBBI said:
But the Browns don’t have an opening on the staff for a QB coach right now. So I’m assuming it’s for a role (OC) that Zampese massively failed at THIS season.
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Let's wait and see on that one. David Lee won't be winning Assistant Coach of the Year for his work with DeShone Kizer. Zampese could be the QB coach, could be passing game coordinator... way too early. I do know that every franchise is looking to improve their offense with an upgrade the Browns need several changes on that side of the ball.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Let's wait and see on that one. David Lee won't be winning Assistant Coach of the Year for his work with DeShone Kizer. Zampese could be the QB coach, could be passing game coordinator... way too early. I do know that every franchise is looking to improve their offense with an upgrade the Browns need several changes on that side of the ball.
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Whether I like it or not, Hue is the Browns football coach.

I’m absolutely not against bringing on coaches that Hue likes and is comfortable with. If we have to bring Hue back, that’s what they SHOULD be doing.

I’m more concerned with the Peter Principle in this case.

Zampese is a fine QB coach. If that’s the role they want him for? Great.

He’s shown he’s not capable of being an OC. I wouldn’t hire him for that role even if he’s Hue’s best friend.
 
CBBI said:
Whether I like it or not, Hue is the Browns football coach.

I’m absolutely not against bringing on coaches that Hue likes and is comfortable with. If we have to bring Hue back, that’s what they SHOULD be doing.

I’m more concerned with the Peter Principle in this case.

Zampese is a fine QB coach. If that’s the role they want him for? Great.

He’s shown he’s not capable of being an OC. I wouldn’t hire him for that role even if he’s Hue’s best friend.
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Well, Hue has shown he's not capable of being a head coach and that hasn't stopped our dipshit owner from giving him a third year despite "coaching" this team to the worst two season record of all time. Until I see otherwise, I don't have a lot of hope in Hue bringing in the best candidates for the job. If Dorsey has control, maybe that will happen, but no one seems to know if he does or not, and Hue certainly disputes it.
 
I want Dorsey to hire the best prospective future HC candidate available, with the caveat that Dorsey can "sell" him to Hue as the guy Hue wanted and needed all along. If Dorsey is a good GM he'll make that shit happen.
 
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