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Windhorst on Trade Possibilities (Tues., Feb. 17)

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Windhorst just published a general update on trade possibilities, getting ready for the next two days of trade talk.

Not much here to go on, although the fact the Cavs talked to the vets about a possible trade for Amare is interesting (and contradicts Windhorst's earlier reports on the trading front).

Marcus Camby might be the name on top of the Cleveland Cavaliers wish list
by Brian Windhorst / The Plain Dealer
Tuesday February 17, 2009, 9:52 AM

CLEVELAND -- The countdown is on for Thursday's 3 p.m. trading deadline. With the Cavaliers in position to challenge for the NBA Championship and a collection of assets, they will be involved in a lot of rumors. In his first three seasons at general manager, Danny Ferry made two deadline-day deals including last season's 10-player trade and two years ago had a three-team deal fall through at the last minute.

Over the next three days, the Plain Dealer will be tracking the behind-the-scenes happenings and be evaluating rumors as they break.

It's Tuesday and this is when stuff starts to happen. After having talks over the weekend at the All-Star Games, GMs come back and meet with their staffs and talk with their owners and key players when teams reassemble.

Amare Stoudemire is probably out of the picture.
A week ago at this time, the Cavs were seriously emerged in trade conversations with the Suns about Amare Stoudemire. It got to the point where there was a meeting with the team's "Committee" of veterans about the possibilities last week and how they would feel about importing Stoudemire. The Cavs made pitches and had back-and-forth with the Suns about what it would take. By the time news of this hit the mainstream by the weekend, however, the realities had set in.

The Suns had much better offers than what the Cavs were presenting and weren't happy with any of them. Some of this can be blamed on the Memphis Grizzlies, who changed the game a year ago when they gave away Pau Gasol to the Lakers. Later their owner admitted it was a mistake and their fan base has revolted. The Suns don't want to repeat that mistake but all the GMs are calling with the sort of phony offers the Lakers landed a real time All-Star with. That included the Cavs.

So the Suns have decided to change their head coach instead, firing Terry Porter and replacing him with Alvin Gentry, and seeing what the rest of the season brings. If it goes bad then Stoudemire could be moving in the offseason. This is probably the option that makes the most sense from the Suns perspective.

The Cavs still are comfortable with the team they have. LeBron James has made it clear he's happy with this roster -- as opposed to several times last season when he openly campaigned for changes -- and he believes they can make a championship run when healthy. For now, that is a guiding principle for the organization. If they can get a big-time player for virtually nothing -- i.e. expiring contracts, prospects and picks -- then they'll be aggressive. If not, there likely will be no trade this season.

Here's is an updated breakdown of players linked to the Cavs:

Marcus Camby, Clippers: A strong defensive player who can also score inside and out, this is the kind of big man the Cavs would want. Plus the Clippers probably want to dump salary. However, it is unclear whether he's truly available and recently the answer has been "no."

Chris Kaman, Clippers: Only included because fans keep asking about him. He's been out months with injury and has a contract that runs past 2010. 0 percent chance.

Vince Carter, Nets: Forget what you read elsewhere. Cavs are not interested. Doesn't sound like the Nets will make any trade.

Richard Jefferson, Bucks: There's a chance he'll be traded but not to Cleveland. Bucks already gave the Cavs a free big-time player.

Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison, Wizards: GM Ernie Grunfeld told the Washington Times: "Over the course of the last four or five years, we established ourselves as a winning organization, and we want to keep going that way. Once we get everybody back, get all of our pieces together, we can be a very competitive team." In other words, no trade.

Brad Miller, Kings: The Cavs could've had Miller anytime in the last month if they wanted. They are still considering it but aren't sure if he's that much of an upgrade considering the risk to team chemistry. He's also not having a very good year, is in questionable shape, and is coming off a drug suspension.

Tyson Chandler, Hornets: He's an intriguing name, however the Hornets will want a quality big man or two in return and it is questionable how effective his complete game is.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2009/02/marcus_camby_might_be_the_name.html
 
so this is windhorst keeping up with his "we're not making a trade" idea...
 
I can't tell if Windy loves or hates this time of year... I get the idea it may be a little of both.

As far as my wishlist is concerned... Camby in a wine & gold uniform would be an outstaning early Christmas present :pray:
 
like he said, Camby isn't really available.....

people here can make up whatever things they want to try and justify why he is, but Dunleavy loves him, the work ethic, attitude, and game.

camby isn't going anywhere unless the clips get a deal that blows them away, and cap relief isn't a deal that would blow them away
 
I can't tell if Windy loves or hates this time of year... I get the idea it may be a little of both.

As far as my wishlist is concerned... Camby in a wine & gold uniform would be an outstaning early Christmas present :pray:


Agreed.
 
camby isn't going anywhere unless the clips get a deal that blows them away, and cap relief isn't a deal that would blow them away

It may be true, but Donald Sterling is notiously cheap and he owns the team, not Dunleavy. With Kaman coming back, I would be shocked if they don't at least consider moving Camby for cap relief. It still seems a distinct possibility in my eyes.
 
I think our best hope is that Joe Smith gets bought out and the Cav's can sign him. I'd be pretty darn happy with that.
 
I think our best hope is that Joe Smith gets bought out and the Cav's can sign him. I'd be pretty darn happy with that.

I agree, it's a great fallback solution to adding a big man. I'd be ecstatic if it worked out that way as well, I just worry about the lure of the Celtics and his buddy KG. That would be a worst-case scenario for us, and so Celtic-like.
 
Not trading Stoudemire (or another high-priced player) before the deadline means that the Suns aren't going to be able to get under the salary cap and probably not under the luxury tax either (unless they trade him to the 1 or 2 teams under the cap now and take back very little). That can't make Sarver happy.

Does anyone else wonder if the Suns are exploring whether they can somehow void Richardson's contract because of his two brushes with the law this year? That would be another reason to put the breaks on the Amare trade talk without getting hurt with the luxury tax.
 
I have a Joe Smith question. If we say we would pay him from our MLE if he gets a buy out is that tampering? I assume this is usually done through the media, but I was wondering if we can directly talk to him. I really don't want the C's to get him.
 
Yikes. I don't like this at all. But it's good that Windy finally admits we were in serious discussions about Stoudemire.
 
I agree, it's a great fallback solution to adding a big man. I'd be ecstatic if it worked out that way as well, I just worry about the lure of the Celtics and his buddy KG. That would be a worst-case scenario for us, and so Celtic-like.

That's a good point, but from all indications he enjoyed his stay with the Cav's as well. Only time will tell.
 
Windy is getting a little George Kastanza on us in his recent articles... seems like he is frustrated...All in all I would say he hates the trade deadline

I think it is fairly obvious that the Cavs want marcus Camby...Do the Clipps want to save some money or not is the question...this would be the one time in the history of the franchise that Sterling would not be cheap if they don't see him to us for Snow's expiring contract...

we will see... if they hand him over to us for Snow and mayyyybe a first... teams better watch the eff out....cause he is a nice piece for us...
 
man, my deadline excitement level is going downhill fast. Quick, some team make a deal to get things moving again!
 
This is what I'm thinking now that it appears that STAT is off the market.

Cavs Trade

Snow
AV
Cavs receive
Tyson Chandler

Hornets trade
Tyson Chandler
Hornets receive
Snow
AV
1st
cash

basically we would replace AV's D with Chandler's D, not have to worry about losing a player next year(AV wanting 10+ mil a year), and Chandler plus JJ would be a great future front court combo with a nice mix of D and O
 

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