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Nothing too crazy regarding the Cavs, only a mention of getting a 3rd team involved to get shaq......
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Multiple servings of draft-week trade chatter and other basketball business culled from various sources plugged into the NBA's front-office grapevine:
Three reasons we've experienced a hush -- temporary hush, that is -- of Shaquille O'Neal-to-Cleveland talk:
1. The Suns and Cavs, sources say, were trying hard last week to recruit a third team to help facilitate the deal, presumably to help furnish Phoenix with more than just the financial relief that would come with the acquisitions of Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic. No willing third team offering up a serviceable big man whom Phoenix likes has been located. Yet.
2. The Cavs recognize that Big Ben's potential willingness to be bought out of his $14 million ending salary and the expiration of Pavlovic's $4.9 million salary (with only $1.5 million guaranteed) add up to two decent trade chips. It thus benefits Cleveland to shop around to see what else might be available, because the list of teams willing to take on Shaq's $21 million salary next season is a very short one at the minute.
As I've been saying since March, knowledgeable sources continue to insist that O'Neal is at best on Dallas' B-list or maybe even its C-list of offseason targets, no matter how many times someone suggests that the Mavs are willing to offer up, say, Josh Howard for The Diesel. Even facing its serious need to get younger, Dallas wasn't willing to make Howard (and his expiring deal) available to Washington for the No. 5 pick that the Wizards wound up dealing to Minnesota.
3. In almost every front office in the league -- even San Antonio's, now that the Spurs have made their big play for Richard Jefferson -- draft considerations are inevitably the focus this week. Which makes it even harder to pull a third team in.
Yet you can safely assume that we'll be back to Shaq quickly.
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The Grizzlies aren't just entertaining the idea of parting with the No. 2 overall pick in Thursday's draft. They've also engaged in advanced discussions with the Knicks that should put former No. 2 overall pick Darko Milicic in New York by week's end ... unless Memphis winds up needing Milicic's expiring contract in another draft-related trade.
Sources say that the proposed swap would send Milicic to the Knicks for swingman Quentin Richardson and cash. Milicic is scheduled to earn $7.5 million next season in the final year of a three-year deal he received from the Griz in 2007; Richardson has a player option for next season at $8.7 million.
If the teams go through with the trade, Milicic would join his fourth team since Detroit infamously gambled on him in 2003 with the pick immediately after LeBron James ... and right before Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade. But it's believed that Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni hasn't been able to kick his long-standing interest in seeing what he can get out of the perpetually, uh, casual 24-year-old. Despite his unquestioned standing as one of the biggest draft busts in league history, Milicic would have to be considered an intriguing one-year rental for the go-go-go Knicks given his length, mobility, passing skills and age.
Wouldn't he?
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Strong indications persist that the Pistons will go ahead with their expected hard push for Chicago Bulls free agent-to-be Ben Gordon starting July 1, even though Rip Hamilton's contract extension hasn't even kicked in yet.
So you also can expect to keep hearing Hamilton's name surfacing in trade proposals, in spite of all his history in Detroit, because the Pistons can't possibly find a way to make room for Gordon, Hamilton and Rodney Stuckey. And then you have to consider the rumblings on our radar about how Rip and Pistons coach Michael Curry are not exactly sharing the same worldview.
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Charlotte indeed offered defensive ace Raja Bell to Golden State earlier this week for Kelenna Azubuike and Marco Belinelli but, sources say, was quickly turned down by the Dubs.
Unrelated but undeniably intriguing Warriors tidbit: Slender rookie Anthony Randolph, also known as the closest thing to an untouchable on the Warriors' payroll, has gained 20 pounds and grown an inch to nearly 7 feet since the end of this past season.
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Chicago, by all accounts, has been increasingly open in its willingness to move power forward Tyrus Thomas. Kirk Hinrich, meanwhile, is said to be prominent on Portland's wish list given the Blazers' growing pessimism about persuading Phoenix to part with Steve Nash via trade and their ability to sign Jason Kidd away from Dallas.
The larger holes that Cleveland's exit in the Eastern Conference finals created on the wing and in its frontcourt rotation, coupled with the Lakers' championship run and subsequent deep desire to re-sign Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza, have increased the Mavs' confidence when it comes to re-signing Kidd, who has been linked with those two teams for months.
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In case you missed it on NBA TV this past weekend, perhaps the most well-sourced Pacers expert in the media -- TNT's Reggie Miller -- said he expects Indy to deal T.J. Ford or Jarrett Jack to make room for a new point guard on draft day. After averaging a career-high 13.1 points per game last season, Jack will become a free agent July 1 if the Pacers decline to pick up his option.
Yet you can see the larger point: Someone on the inside appears to have told Miller that one of those two definitely won't be back next season with the Pacers, who likewise are still trying to rid themselves of Jamaal Tinsley.
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Word is Mike Fratello will not receive consideration for the Wolves' coaching vacancy from former NBC colleague David Kahn. However, Kahn apparently did want Fratello to serve as Kevin McHale's top assistant/successor-in-waiting if McHale had been willing to return to Minnesota's bench on the one-year deal extended to McHale before Kahn's hiring.
When he's done lording over the draft with his four first-round picks, Kahn is expected to target a young coach to take over his young team. That's one of the reasons ESPN's Mark Jackson has been widely billed as the favorite for the job, ahead of ex-Toronto Raptors coach Sam Mitchell in spite of Mitchell's status as a longtime favorite of Wolves owner Glen Taylor.
Bonus Wolves nugget: Kahn's willingness to take on Darius Songaila, who is scheduled to earn $4.5 million next season, looks like the clincher that persuaded Washington to take Minnesota's offer over New York's for the Wizards' lottery pick: Randy Foye and Mike Miller in exchange for No. 5, Etan Thomas, Oleksiy Pecherov and Songaila. Shedding Songaila wasn't an option in a deal with the Knicks built around Wizards ex Larry Hughes.
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Why is Marcus Camby said to be available in Clipperland so soon after being frequently described as off-limits leading up to this past season's February trade deadline? Because the Clips have discovered this month that they can't move Zach Randolph or Chris Kaman unless they're also willing to move down from No. 1 in Thursday's draft order. Which they obviously have zero interest in considering.
The Clips also love bargain-find frontcourt man DeAndre Jordan, so Camby -- whose defensive pedigree and expiring $9.7 million salary make him a hugely popular trade target -- is the big man easiest for L.A. to move to make room for the incoming Blake Griffin.
We're told that management also has decreed that assistant coach Kim Hughes will not be let go -- unlike the rest of Mike Dunleavy's staff -- to keep Hughes in place as a potential interim successor to Dunleavy in the unlikely event that the Clips and their under-fire coach/GM part ways during the season. A parting remains unlikely even if Hughes hangs on because, as you've surely heard dozens of times by now, Dunleavy still has two years left on his contract worth more than $10 million.
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Dan Patrick will always be one of my all-time favorites on TV or radio, but he wasn't quite supplied with the whole story in his recent interview with Mavs owner Mark Cuban. Patrick ragged on Cuban for not pulling the trigger on a Dirk Nowitzki-for-Kobe Bryant deal during Kobe's six-month Trade Me phase in 2007, but such a trade was never truly possible, even though Cuban shared on Patrick's show this week that he did discuss the possibility with Lakers owner Jerry Buss.
Bryant, remember, owns the only no-trade clause in the NBA. Dallas was on Bryant's short wish list of potential trade destinations only if Nowitzki would have been there waiting as a teammate. If the teams had ever gotten close on a Dirk-for-Kobe swap, Bryant would have nixed it, just as he was never going to accept a trade to the Bulls if L.A. was getting Luol Deng.
Nothing too crazy regarding the Cavs, only a mention of getting a 3rd team involved to get shaq......
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=TradeChatter-090624
Trade chatter: Buzz on Shaq, KnicksComment Email Print Share By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
Archive
Multiple servings of draft-week trade chatter and other basketball business culled from various sources plugged into the NBA's front-office grapevine:
Three reasons we've experienced a hush -- temporary hush, that is -- of Shaquille O'Neal-to-Cleveland talk:
1. The Suns and Cavs, sources say, were trying hard last week to recruit a third team to help facilitate the deal, presumably to help furnish Phoenix with more than just the financial relief that would come with the acquisitions of Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic. No willing third team offering up a serviceable big man whom Phoenix likes has been located. Yet.
2. The Cavs recognize that Big Ben's potential willingness to be bought out of his $14 million ending salary and the expiration of Pavlovic's $4.9 million salary (with only $1.5 million guaranteed) add up to two decent trade chips. It thus benefits Cleveland to shop around to see what else might be available, because the list of teams willing to take on Shaq's $21 million salary next season is a very short one at the minute.
As I've been saying since March, knowledgeable sources continue to insist that O'Neal is at best on Dallas' B-list or maybe even its C-list of offseason targets, no matter how many times someone suggests that the Mavs are willing to offer up, say, Josh Howard for The Diesel. Even facing its serious need to get younger, Dallas wasn't willing to make Howard (and his expiring deal) available to Washington for the No. 5 pick that the Wizards wound up dealing to Minnesota.
3. In almost every front office in the league -- even San Antonio's, now that the Spurs have made their big play for Richard Jefferson -- draft considerations are inevitably the focus this week. Which makes it even harder to pull a third team in.
Yet you can safely assume that we'll be back to Shaq quickly.
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The Grizzlies aren't just entertaining the idea of parting with the No. 2 overall pick in Thursday's draft. They've also engaged in advanced discussions with the Knicks that should put former No. 2 overall pick Darko Milicic in New York by week's end ... unless Memphis winds up needing Milicic's expiring contract in another draft-related trade.
Sources say that the proposed swap would send Milicic to the Knicks for swingman Quentin Richardson and cash. Milicic is scheduled to earn $7.5 million next season in the final year of a three-year deal he received from the Griz in 2007; Richardson has a player option for next season at $8.7 million.
If the teams go through with the trade, Milicic would join his fourth team since Detroit infamously gambled on him in 2003 with the pick immediately after LeBron James ... and right before Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade. But it's believed that Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni hasn't been able to kick his long-standing interest in seeing what he can get out of the perpetually, uh, casual 24-year-old. Despite his unquestioned standing as one of the biggest draft busts in league history, Milicic would have to be considered an intriguing one-year rental for the go-go-go Knicks given his length, mobility, passing skills and age.
Wouldn't he?
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Strong indications persist that the Pistons will go ahead with their expected hard push for Chicago Bulls free agent-to-be Ben Gordon starting July 1, even though Rip Hamilton's contract extension hasn't even kicked in yet.
So you also can expect to keep hearing Hamilton's name surfacing in trade proposals, in spite of all his history in Detroit, because the Pistons can't possibly find a way to make room for Gordon, Hamilton and Rodney Stuckey. And then you have to consider the rumblings on our radar about how Rip and Pistons coach Michael Curry are not exactly sharing the same worldview.
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Charlotte indeed offered defensive ace Raja Bell to Golden State earlier this week for Kelenna Azubuike and Marco Belinelli but, sources say, was quickly turned down by the Dubs.
Unrelated but undeniably intriguing Warriors tidbit: Slender rookie Anthony Randolph, also known as the closest thing to an untouchable on the Warriors' payroll, has gained 20 pounds and grown an inch to nearly 7 feet since the end of this past season.
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Chicago, by all accounts, has been increasingly open in its willingness to move power forward Tyrus Thomas. Kirk Hinrich, meanwhile, is said to be prominent on Portland's wish list given the Blazers' growing pessimism about persuading Phoenix to part with Steve Nash via trade and their ability to sign Jason Kidd away from Dallas.
The larger holes that Cleveland's exit in the Eastern Conference finals created on the wing and in its frontcourt rotation, coupled with the Lakers' championship run and subsequent deep desire to re-sign Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza, have increased the Mavs' confidence when it comes to re-signing Kidd, who has been linked with those two teams for months.
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In case you missed it on NBA TV this past weekend, perhaps the most well-sourced Pacers expert in the media -- TNT's Reggie Miller -- said he expects Indy to deal T.J. Ford or Jarrett Jack to make room for a new point guard on draft day. After averaging a career-high 13.1 points per game last season, Jack will become a free agent July 1 if the Pacers decline to pick up his option.
Yet you can see the larger point: Someone on the inside appears to have told Miller that one of those two definitely won't be back next season with the Pacers, who likewise are still trying to rid themselves of Jamaal Tinsley.
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Word is Mike Fratello will not receive consideration for the Wolves' coaching vacancy from former NBC colleague David Kahn. However, Kahn apparently did want Fratello to serve as Kevin McHale's top assistant/successor-in-waiting if McHale had been willing to return to Minnesota's bench on the one-year deal extended to McHale before Kahn's hiring.
When he's done lording over the draft with his four first-round picks, Kahn is expected to target a young coach to take over his young team. That's one of the reasons ESPN's Mark Jackson has been widely billed as the favorite for the job, ahead of ex-Toronto Raptors coach Sam Mitchell in spite of Mitchell's status as a longtime favorite of Wolves owner Glen Taylor.
Bonus Wolves nugget: Kahn's willingness to take on Darius Songaila, who is scheduled to earn $4.5 million next season, looks like the clincher that persuaded Washington to take Minnesota's offer over New York's for the Wizards' lottery pick: Randy Foye and Mike Miller in exchange for No. 5, Etan Thomas, Oleksiy Pecherov and Songaila. Shedding Songaila wasn't an option in a deal with the Knicks built around Wizards ex Larry Hughes.
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Why is Marcus Camby said to be available in Clipperland so soon after being frequently described as off-limits leading up to this past season's February trade deadline? Because the Clips have discovered this month that they can't move Zach Randolph or Chris Kaman unless they're also willing to move down from No. 1 in Thursday's draft order. Which they obviously have zero interest in considering.
The Clips also love bargain-find frontcourt man DeAndre Jordan, so Camby -- whose defensive pedigree and expiring $9.7 million salary make him a hugely popular trade target -- is the big man easiest for L.A. to move to make room for the incoming Blake Griffin.
We're told that management also has decreed that assistant coach Kim Hughes will not be let go -- unlike the rest of Mike Dunleavy's staff -- to keep Hughes in place as a potential interim successor to Dunleavy in the unlikely event that the Clips and their under-fire coach/GM part ways during the season. A parting remains unlikely even if Hughes hangs on because, as you've surely heard dozens of times by now, Dunleavy still has two years left on his contract worth more than $10 million.
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Dan Patrick will always be one of my all-time favorites on TV or radio, but he wasn't quite supplied with the whole story in his recent interview with Mavs owner Mark Cuban. Patrick ragged on Cuban for not pulling the trigger on a Dirk Nowitzki-for-Kobe Bryant deal during Kobe's six-month Trade Me phase in 2007, but such a trade was never truly possible, even though Cuban shared on Patrick's show this week that he did discuss the possibility with Lakers owner Jerry Buss.
Bryant, remember, owns the only no-trade clause in the NBA. Dallas was on Bryant's short wish list of potential trade destinations only if Nowitzki would have been there waiting as a teammate. If the teams had ever gotten close on a Dirk-for-Kobe swap, Bryant would have nixed it, just as he was never going to accept a trade to the Bulls if L.A. was getting Luol Deng.
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Re: Stein: Shaq to Cavs still in play...
Am I the only one who doesn't want him? I really really don't.
Am I the only one who doesn't want him? I really really don't.
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Re: Stein: Shaq to Cavs still in play...
So now that the Spurs burned their expirings for Jefferson there is on less team to compete with. Expirings and nonguarantees are gold this year.
It sounds like Kaman is not well thought of around the NBA. Camby might be the big that we end up trading for.
How good would our defense be with a frontcourt of Camby and Rasheed?
So now that the Spurs burned their expirings for Jefferson there is on less team to compete with. Expirings and nonguarantees are gold this year.
It sounds like Kaman is not well thought of around the NBA. Camby might be the big that we end up trading for.
How good would our defense be with a frontcourt of Camby and Rasheed?
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Re: Stein: Shaq to Cavs still in play...
If phoenix does want a quality big from a 3rd team would the clippers be willing to get involved to give up a big like kaman or camby to phoenix??
If phoenix does want a quality big from a 3rd team would the clippers be willing to get involved to give up a big like kaman or camby to phoenix??
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Re: Stein: Shaq to Cavs still in play...
Acquiring Shaq means the Cavaliers are throwing caution (and the future) to the wind and going balls to the wall to win a title within the next year or two.
Acquiring Shaq means the Cavaliers are throwing caution (and the future) to the wind and going balls to the wall to win a title within the next year or two.
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Re: Stein: Shaq to Cavs still in play...
How so? Acquiring Shaq fills a basic need for next year and also keeps the Cavs quite well positioned to compete in the summer of 2010 for big name FA's...
How so? Acquiring Shaq fills a basic need for next year and also keeps the Cavs quite well positioned to compete in the summer of 2010 for big name FA's...
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Re: Stein: Shaq to Cavs still in play...
The Cavaliers wouldn't trade Shaq before the trade deadline, which means he becomes a free agent next summer whom either leaves or the Cavs re-sign. To get rid of his cap hold the Cavaliers would need to renounce his rights.
With all the teams positioned to have cap room next summer, I remain skeptical that the Cavaliers would be able to lure any primo free agents, especially with James' future up in the air. If james commits to the Cavaliers and another free agent is willing to take slightly less to leave his current team, the cavaliers might be able to sign someone.
However, there's soooo many teams pointing to next summer that someone (likely many teams) are bound to be disappointed and left to scramble for leftovers.
The Cavaliers wouldn't trade Shaq before the trade deadline, which means he becomes a free agent next summer whom either leaves or the Cavs re-sign. To get rid of his cap hold the Cavaliers would need to renounce his rights.
With all the teams positioned to have cap room next summer, I remain skeptical that the Cavaliers would be able to lure any primo free agents, especially with James' future up in the air. If james commits to the Cavaliers and another free agent is willing to take slightly less to leave his current team, the cavaliers might be able to sign someone.
However, there's soooo many teams pointing to next summer that someone (likely many teams) are bound to be disappointed and left to scramble for leftovers.
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Re: Stein: Shaq to Cavs still in play...
I guarantee Lebron's future won't be "up in the air" when it comes to be the first day that free agents can sign with a team in the summer of 2010. He'd be an idiot to wait any longer than that, since the team he goes to will be able to attract players 100% better if he's already signed. So it wouldn't be TERRIBLE if we traded for Shaq, cuz we'd have nothing on the books as oppposed to 10-12 million plus for guys like Kaman. We could have an offseason similar to what Detroit's may be this year with 2 very formidable free agents (i.e. Boozer and Gordon this year) instead of adding a superstar to Lebron (because I just don't think it's realistic to expect Dwayne/Bosh/Amare to come here).
I guarantee Lebron's future won't be "up in the air" when it comes to be the first day that free agents can sign with a team in the summer of 2010. He'd be an idiot to wait any longer than that, since the team he goes to will be able to attract players 100% better if he's already signed. So it wouldn't be TERRIBLE if we traded for Shaq, cuz we'd have nothing on the books as oppposed to 10-12 million plus for guys like Kaman. We could have an offseason similar to what Detroit's may be this year with 2 very formidable free agents (i.e. Boozer and Gordon this year) instead of adding a superstar to Lebron (because I just don't think it's realistic to expect Dwayne/Bosh/Amare to come here).
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Re: Stein: Shaq to Cavs still in play...
I assume they'd do this...don't see why they wouldn't...
I assume they'd do this...don't see why they wouldn't...
Re: Stein: Shaq to Cavs still in play...
Shaq is ok, but he is nothing special. He is a big name. I would rather trade Ben Wallace for Kaman and keep Sasha for another deal. Kaman isn't as good as Shaq but he is 10 years younger and he would be FAR better for the long-run.
Shaq is ok, but he is nothing special. He is a big name. I would rather trade Ben Wallace for Kaman and keep Sasha for another deal. Kaman isn't as good as Shaq but he is 10 years younger and he would be FAR better for the long-run.