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Wizards trade #5 pick to Minnesota
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Uh no.
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Here we go again. Everybody's better than us sans LeBron.
Fine, take the best player off of every team and where are they? This argument is so tired.
Would we make the playoffs without LeBron? Don't know........probably not.
But, with the "crappy" supporting case we got, add a 20 ppg guy on the wing in LeBron's place (like just about every team has........a borderline All-Star) and we're at least a .500 team.
When you follow a team closely, you see the warts. Everybody else looks like they have it better. Meanwhile, they are saying the same shit, "I wish we had him on our team."
That's what you get when you see a team 2-3 times a year. If I hear, "We need somebody like Michael Pietris" one more fvcking time, I'm going to kill someone. We had a couple just like him........Larry Hughes and Sasha Pavlovic. Marginal athletic wing players with good size on the perimeter who were streaky shooters at best. The guy just got hot for a week and all of the sudden, he's Ray Allen in his prime to some people. I watched the Finals for one half of one game. I watched Pietris throw up a wide-open airball on a inside-out play to start 0-5 and turned it off.
Every team pretty much has the same shit 6-15 on the roster with a few exceptions. Hell, in the last game of the regular season, with Philly playing for their playoff lives and playing everybody, Boobie was one of the better players on the floor. If that was the only time I saw the Cavs that year, I'd want a guy that can "shoot" like that. And we think/know he isn't much.
Gortat? The guy gets a couple of nice blocks and a few bunnies because he's guarded more infrequently than Ben and now he would be a great pickup?
I could go on and on. Do we need to get better? Absolutely. Our frontcourt depth is a major concern. We need a 4 or 5 that can command a double team and guard the rim.
Are we not a good team without LeBron? No, we would probably suck.
But, because of LeBron, as great as he is and as much as he means to this team, we are in the position we are in. This "am I staying, am I going" does keep Ferry on his toes and puts the pressure on to make the team better.
BUT..............it's also why we have a team full of older guys and not much in terms of young, developing talent. Young guys develop with minutes. They get confidence with minutes. They improve their games with minutes. How many rookies do you see playing on good teams............barring injury? We have a gun to our head to win now, which is fine. I just don't know how you can expect that AND put up with young players making rookie mistakes when we're trying for the #1 seed. And in the Playoffs, rookies play on low-seeded teams and when there are injuries.
Big Baby was/is a garbage player. Looked pretty good with some actual extended minutes in the Playoffs, right? Would he have even taken his warmups off in the Playoffs if KG didn't get hurt?
Guys like Pietris got to develop their games on shitty, 30-win teams for a couple of years. Shannon Brown plays key minutes for the Champs in the Playoffs, yet his ass would have been stapled to the bench if he were still here. It's all about opportunity.
LeBron not commiting is hurting more than it is helping. PERIOD.
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Stay Tuned for what?
If you really expect that, then you're going to be in for a shit load of disappointment.
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for Lebron? okay hahahaah...Nah i'll Pass.
With this deal, Wizards offense = 
...but their defense =
Not sure I quite understand it from the Washington perspective, but with them trading away a couple of bigs, maybe the Jamison to Cleveland rumors will be put to rest (which is fine by me).
...but their defense =
Not sure I quite understand it from the Washington perspective, but with them trading away a couple of bigs, maybe the Jamison to Cleveland rumors will be put to rest (which is fine by me).
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Which raises the possibility...maybe LeBron is not actually playing games with us...maybe he is very much in a stage where he is seeing whats out there.
Maybe. We can ramble on and on about why he won't go somewhere, or why so-and-so is not a possibility...but we aren't LeBron. Maybe he is genuinely waiting it out to see what happens with some of his friends. There's no point debating the rhyme or reason, in my view...maybe he flat out does not know what he wants.
All anyone wants to assume is that LeBron is whoring for attention, and is going to resign here when all is said and done. What if, just what if, in actuality the Cavs are just the "favorite" to retain his services, and not a lock? Meaning he is not committed to staying here...he is LEANING towards it but is not committed.
With that being said, I don't buy that we are going gung-ho "win now or bust" mentality as of now. I don't buy that LeBron has Ferry by the nut sack. If he did, Jason Kidd would have been a Cavalier in 2006. Wally Szczerbiak would have been traded in the summer. Our biggest offseason acquisition would not have been for Damon freakin Jones, in case anyone forgot thats who we traded for Mo. We have not made a SINGLE blockbuster move since the 2008 trade, and that itself was not a real "blockbuster" as we did not add a single top-notch talent. Consider what we've done since the Finals appearance - resigned Pavlovic; resigned Varejao; Devin Brown signing; February 2008 "The Trade" lateral move; Tarence Kinsey signing; kept draft picks, selected Hickson, Jackson, bought Kaun; resigned Boobie; resigned Delonte; traded Damon and Joe for MO (a low-risk robbery, not a blockbuster); brought Joe back. People, thats all we've done since the finals appearance. If LeBron's 2010 talk had Ferry trippin all over himself like everyone thinks it should be, I'd think Ferry's resume since the 2007 finals would be a little more buff...
Not a single blockbuster move since 2007. NOT ONE. This would not be the case if LeBron had Ferry by the balls.
LeBron will go wherever he can not ONLY win a championship in 2011...but the team will also continue to remain strong and he will have a shot at the title in 2015. It is equally important to Ferry to be building a team and a VISION for the long haul, not just for 2011. That will sell LeBron on remaining here more than any veteran acquisition we make.
And because neither Shaq O'Neal, Antawn Jamison, or Richard Jefferson became Cleveland Cavaliers...I think Ferry realizes this. This is not a popular viewpoint around here...which is why thats the approach Ferry's taking...not throwing the kitchen sink this summer...because LeBron will leave if we act like desperate fools. Ferry is an active player this summer as much because he just wants to improve the team as anything related to LeBron's free agency. And yet he isn't going to throw the kitchen sink. Wallace's deal will not be moved for anyone on the wrong side of 30...or for anyone who is grossly overpaid. You can mark that in ink.
If we add salary like drunken sailors, LeBron WILL leave this town...if not in 2010, then he will demand a trade in the future once the team gets old and overpaid.
If we build this team the right way...find the right balance of adding veterans and adding youngsters...LeBron will be hard pressed to leave this situation. Very hard pressed indeed.
Yeah, they're going to give up some talent to move up ONE spot.
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That's not my argument. Obviously every team would suck without their star player. But LeBron is better than every other star player so he makes up for a lot more.
It's just a fact that our 2-15 is worse than a lot of other teams 2-15.
Put LeBron on any other team and I think most of them would be better than us with LBJ.
You can't say that about other great teams. If you take Kobe off L.A. and put him on another team, that team would be worse than LA is with Kobe.
Take Duncan off SA and it's the same thing. KG and Pierce too. Dwight Howard.
Sure on a few teams they could be better than their old team was, but with LBJ, it would a lot of teams.
And Id be willing to bet that even if you switched LBJ with the best player on the other team, that that team would be better than we are with LBJ.
Switch LBJ with Kobe and LA wins a title easily every year. Switch LBJ with Howard, title. Switch him with Duncan, title. Switch him with Pierce, title. Shit, switch him with Gilbert Arenas and the Wiz would probably be a 60+ win team every year.
Haywood is their best defensive big and does a good job shutting down the paint for them.
They also already still have young guys like Blatche, McGee, and Green.
I like the trade for them. Does it guarantee a championship? Of course not, but it does get them some pieces which will help next year if they can manage to stay healthy.
And some Flip Saunders junk zones are probably just what the doctor ordered for them as junk D is the only sort of D most of those guys have ever known. They are in win now mode and they don't have time for a Mike Brown like two-year plan.