Woj: Chris Grant fired (1-year anniversary)

[Plaxicofan7]

Drummond is far from a "marquee" player

I was simply basing it from the article on the bottom of the previous page.

 

[Futuredome]

I was simply basing it from the article on the bottom of the previous page.

gotcha

 

[Cavalierfan]

After reading Woj's article, I have zero faith in Dan Gilbert and this organization to ever deliver a championship quality product again. None. Incompetence and arrogance at every level.

Drafting Anthony Bennett after it was apparent that he was going to slip near to the bottom of the lottery and had a late night pizza addiction at UNLV? TT over Jonas for no real reason other than petty contract demands? (For the record, while their stats may be similar, having TT apparently is why we passed on Drummond. While Drummond is still raw, from a potential standpoint he's Bill Russell compared to Dion Waiters). This stuff as a Cavs fan is infuriating.

Dan pumping his chest about Bynum. Our unnamed person taunting at the draft lottery. It's organizational incompetence.

Grant was that person in your fantasy football league that makes the league not even fun by proposing only one sided trades until you eventually either kick him out of the league or everyone just loses interest in playing anymore.

 

[theSTEREO.]

After reading Woj's article, I have zero faith in Dan Gilbert and this organization to ever deliver a championship quality product again. None. Incompetence and arrogance at every level.

Drafting Anthony Bennett after it was apparent that he was going to slip near to the bottom of the lottery and had a late night pizza addiction at UNLV? TT over Jonas for no real reason other than petty contract demands? (For the record, while their stats may be similar, having TT apparently is why we passed on Drummond. While Drummond is still raw, from a potential standpoint he's Bill Russell compared to Dion Waiters). This stuff as a Cavs fan is infuriating.

Dan pumping his chest about Bynum. Our unnamed person taunting at the draft lottery. It's organizational incompetence.

Grant was that person in your fantasy football league that makes the league not even fun by proposing only one sided trades until you eventually either kick him out of the league or everyone just loses interest in playing anymore.

The fact that you are taking this article seriously and with open arms tells me you don't post here much, or know much about the inner workings of the Cavs.

 

[shoes22]

After reading Woj's article, I have zero faith in Dan Gilbert and this organization to ever deliver a championship quality product again. None. Incompetence and arrogance at every level.

Drafting Anthony Bennett after it was apparent that he was going to slip near to the bottom of the lottery and had a late night pizza addiction at UNLV? TT over Jonas for no real reason other than petty contract demands? (For the record, while their stats may be similar, having TT apparently is why we passed on Drummond. While Drummond is still raw, from a potential standpoint he's Bill Russell compared to Dion Waiters). This stuff as a Cavs fan is infuriating.

Dan pumping his chest about Bynum. Our unnamed person taunting at the draft lottery. It's organizational incompetence.

Grant was that person in your fantasy football league that makes the league not even fun by proposing only one sided trades until you eventually either kick him out of the league or everyone just loses interest in playing anymore.

Woj's article was sensationalist trash, though.
He's very good at finding facts and tidbits that support the narrative he's trying to tell.

 

[Futuredome]

If Bennett was going to slip to the end of the lottery, it really makes you wonder about other teams FO.

 

[Shakey]

Woj has great sources but regularly comes off like a mean person. And I hate the way he write, trying to make everything read like a novel or a feature article. I'd rather read Zach Lowe any day of the week

 

[Cavalierfan]

Woj has great sources but regularly comes off like a mean person. And I hate the way he write, trying to make everything read like a novel or a feature article. I'd rather read Zach Lowe any day of the week

I don't disagree that his style can be a little off-putting. But he is also rarely wrong. A lot of the points in the article are corroborated by things we've heard from other sources (Windy, etc). Point being - Grant was obviously drinking his own kool aid and either didn't do his homework (Bennett/Waiters) or believed his own arrogance (being able to move up for Klay, Tristan). Gilbert is arrogant and impatient, which has us on the fast track to the treadmill of mediocrity.

I'm just struggling to find a reason for optimism right now. At least the Browns are in position to get a young QB that can pretty quickly turn things around. They'll probably screw it up, but at least they have hope to sell.

 

[Tornicade]

his articles is ont he basis that grant was fired because of the talent he acquired. when he was fired for his ineffectiveness in dealing with the coaching staff and players.

Also If waiters doesnt get traded after Grant shopped him. Gilbert may have perceived that as placating Kyrie at the expense of the team.

Woj could of took alot of angles with his article. he chose the easy one and the article was a fail. Woj is prone to do this on occasion.

 

[shoes22]

With Dion and Bennett improving by the day and the players starting to buy into Mike Brown, I think Grant was made a major scapegoat.
Personally I think he did a fine job building this team. Talent was never the issue, immaturity and inexperience was.

 

[supermario21]

What I don't understand is why we were so worried about a buyout for Val to come play the 2011-12 season if we were still in tank mode? Arguably the better tank move would have been to not even have one of our lottery picks play and we keep throwing Hickson and Samuels out to play center...

That's my only issue with Grant regarding that situation. I still don't know if Valanciunas is way better than TT. He really hasn't proven anything so far. And it's not like Valanciunas is playing with a rebound machine like Andy.

 

[STAT]

The fact that you are taking this article seriously and with open arms tells me you don't post here much, or know much about the inner workings of the Cavs.

There was a comment from a user named JAM on the article that summed it up very well:

Wow, this article is garbage. Congrats, it may be the worst thing I've ever read.

"Letting Deng walk would be too embarrassing, considering how steep a price they paid to acquire him."
A steep price? They gave up 2nd round draft picks for an all-star 3 that was a huge position of need... That's a steep price???
And revisionist history that doesn't even acknowledge any semblance of reality... As a supposed journalist, you should at least acknowledge the other side and all the question marks that existed with these other players that you seem to equate to being slam dunk super stars in the league.

 

[GreasySpread36]

Woj has great sources but regularly comes off like a mean person. And I hate the way he write, trying to make everything read like a novel or a feature article. I'd rather read Zach Lowe any day of the week

Woj cracks me up. He's so overwrought and dramatic and he's writing about the freaking NBA. It's funny to me. Zach Lowe is terrific though, no question about that.

 

[Kovah]

After reading Woj's article, I have zero faith in Dan Gilbert and this organization to ever deliver a championship quality product again. None. Incompetence and arrogance at every level.

Drafting Anthony Bennett after it was apparent that he was going to slip near to the bottom of the lottery and had a late night pizza addiction at UNLV? TT over Jonas for no real reason other than petty contract demands? (For the record, while their stats may be similar, having TT apparently is why we passed on Drummond. While Drummond is still raw, from a potential standpoint he's Bill Russell compared to Dion Waiters). This stuff as a Cavs fan is infuriating.

Dan pumping his chest about Bynum. Our unnamed person taunting at the draft lottery. It's organizational incompetence.

Grant was that person in your fantasy football league that makes the league not even fun by proposing only one sided trades until you eventually either kick him out of the league or everyone just loses interest in playing anymore.

I don't disagree that his style can be a little off-putting. But he is also rarely wrong. A lot of the points in the article are corroborated by things we've heard from other sources (Windy, etc). Point being - Grant was obviously drinking his own kool aid and either didn't do his homework (Bennett/Waiters) or believed his own arrogance (being able to move up for Klay, Tristan). Gilbert is arrogant and impatient, which has us on the fast track to the treadmill of mediocrity.

I'm just struggling to find a reason for optimism right now. At least the Browns are in position to get a young QB that can pretty quickly turn things around. They'll probably screw it up, but at least they have hope to sell.

I disagree with him being right all the time. The ability to break a trade when/before it happens is very different then foretelling the future of a franchise or The Decision part deux. Woj as some pieces I like reading when he is merely analyzing facts not when he is being the pompous ass he can be when he makes assumptions.

He does not KNOW if Bennett was going to drop. Bennett was in consideration for #1 but so were Len, Noel, Oladipo, McLemore. So I call bullshit on that, especially with Washington and their front court issues with no stretch forward for Wall to kick out to.

This guy is telling me for certainty Lebron won't come back like he knows the sonofabitch. I hate opinionated articles like that. It's opinion, not fact, stick to your fucking job. This is the same guy that totally deciphered the Rudy Gay trade wrong and what it meant saying super teams are over and the Grizzlies panicked. No, they saw Gay as an inefficient SF that filled the stat sheet that wasn't worth MAX money. They have flexibility in their future. Not to mention, pretty sure the Rockets and Nets made super teams' of their own after that trade. It may be harder to sign multiple stars to a team, but it can be done, the Grizz didn't panic, they used analytics.

Only new bit of information in that shitty article of his (that was also ill-timed) was of how much scouting was done on Jonas. Are Jonas' stats blowing TT out of the water? Is he an all-star or something? High potential? TT I wouldn't say is that much better than Jonas, but who else did we have in consideration for that pick? Jan Vesely? Biyombo? LOL You have to be fucking me. Woj acts like we whiffed so bad on TT in the 2011 draft that he goes on to talk about our other picks.

Grant was arrogant thinking Thompson would be there in mid first round? You kidding me? How many first round picks did you need Grant to pop out of his ass to appease you? Klay was NOT in consideration for the top 5, not even top 10. I remember people being surprised at him being picked 11th by GS since he was a 3rd year college player out of Washington State, not really a basketball kind of school. He couldn't defend (still can't if you didn't know) and all he did was shoot 3s and couldn't create his own shot. Did you know to draft Klay that year? ANY spot up 3nD player next to Kyrie will look good if we could ever get one, I personally think Afflalo would be perfect.

Now you're judging Bennett too, along with every other hack writer I see on Bleacher Report, after a few months, months, of his rookie year. COME ON. Gee who would of thought after being out months with a serious shoulder injury, finally having months of conditioning to make up for it to midseason, and actually receiving playing time from potato head, that Bennett would be playing this well later in the season? Everyone with patience.

Hate people that talk about past drafts that give bad grades or say we missed on a guy that wasn't even in the convo FOR TOP TEN let alone for the #4 pick. That's like saying we fucking whiffed on Kawhi Leonard too, guess what? So did 20 other teams.

Waiters, I'll give you, people here overvalue him and I was a Drummond homer all the way. Other than that, the entire article is shit and opinionated garbage I can find on the front page of Bleacher Report.

You read one article and turned coat. Congrats.

On lighter note, if you're looking for optimism and give an example of another team, don't pick another team from Cleveland like the Browns. I'm optimistic about them too, love the firings, but we haven't done shit in over two decades. Pick someone like the Chiefs and their turn around. Comparing the Browns optimism to the Cavs organization is like comparing a corpse to a man on life support on his way out.

 

[TheDudeAbides]

Hack journalism. He is essentially a gossip columnist yet he writes as though his columns are fact. The way he is a puppet for his sources is embarrassing.