Your view of Colt McCoy

[godfather]

The idea that the entire direction of the franchise should cater to McCoy's inabilities is exactly why the Browns have been unwatchable for a decade. The idea that McCoy is blowing a great opportunity

Common, RK, what great opportunity? He goes out there week after week, and gets the snot knocked right out of him.

I get you think Colt has obvious shortcomings as a QB. But no one can honestly tell me, he's had a "legit" chance with this joke of a team that surrounds him.

He's without his starting running back, his backup running back, and has some guy that probably doesn't even know his own name as our running back. They got three offensive linemen blocking for him that have no business being in the NFL. He has a special teams specialist, and a raw talented rookie as his receivers.

Football is a team game. Colt has NOTHING to work with! There's not one position right now that makes his job easier. Even the great QB's like Brady, Rodgers, and Brees have guys that make their job easier. Every young QB needs a security blanket. Colt isn't fortunate enough to get that!

I truly get he has some serious question marks as an NFL starting QB, and those are legit observations. But there's no way we can say he's been given a fair chance. Not with the cast of guys he shares the field with. No way.

the Browns are going to draft a REAL franchise quarterback who can run an NFL offense this offseason is the winning direction.

And then in three years we'll be looking for the next REAL franchise QB at this current rate.

Bottom line is. Whether Colt is good, or bad. Or whoever else we put out there, with what we currently have, its going to end up being a very short career for that player.

 

[Soda]

Daniel Wolf made a couple of interesting Tweets earlier about Colt:

Per PFF:

#Browns QB McCoy has the 6th best pocket presence of any #NFL QB, per PFF. Only behind Big Ben, Romo, Ryan, Manning & Freeman.

This is a HUGE stat: Did u know #Browns QB McCoy has a better deep passing accuracy % than Matt Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger

Historically, I would like to see this and defend it. This time, however, I must point to the fact that we've scored 2 touchdowns in the past 4 games. I won't give up on him yet, but Colt has sucked big balls recently.

 

[AZ_]

I believe if you replaced the Browns other starting 10 with those in Green Bay, I have a hard time believing the Browns offense would be much different than it is right now.

Colt will CONTINUE to have the snot beat out of him, not because the offensive line is any better or worse, but because teams will continue sending the house at him until he proves he can beat them.

The running game will continue to be non-existant, teams will continue to stack the box, and Colt would continue to fail to get the ball out to his receivers in a timely manner because of that pressure.

The QB has to make people respect him, not the other way around.

When Colt earns that respect, I'd imagine people will start singing a different tune about this offensive talent.

Little and Massaquoi would thrive in Green Bay, so would Watson, so would Hillis or Hardesty. That entire team revolves around their QB. Same story in Indianapolis.

 

[Soda]

I believe if you replaced the Browns other starting 10 with those in Green Bay, I have a hard time believing the Browns offense would be much different than it is right now.

Colt will CONTINUE to have the snot beat out of him, not because the offensive line is any better or worse, but because teams will continue sending the house at him until he proves he can beat them.

The running game will continue to be non-existant, teams will continue to stack the box, and Colt would continue to fail to get the ball out to his receivers in a timely manner because of that pressure.

The QB has to make people respect him, not the other way around.

When Colt earns that respect, I'd imagine people will start singing a different tune about this offensive talent.

Little and Massaquoi would thrive in Green Bay, so would Watson, so would Hillis or Hardesty. That entire team revolves around their QB. Same story in Indianapolis.

These are the problems that have plagued Browns teams for the past decade. Colt may very well suck, actually, the odds are that he will not be a quality starter at this point. When this type of thing happens rhythmically, you've got to look for the trend behind this to figure out why nobody can succeed here. My conclusion has been for the past four years that the organization must stop playing musical chairs with coaches/front office suits.

At some point we as fans need to accept that a re-build isn't an overnight process and let these guys do their thing. I can accept not wanting Mangini to run the show, but Tom Heckert is a GM with a pretty solid reputation and Holmgren has his own reputation, albeit not for the position he is in for the Browns. Shurmur might be raw as a head coach, but somebody like that is maleable and can grow into what the personnel put in front of him demands. It allows for the GM to implement his vision while being on the same page as the coach. They're friends so Heckert can share his vision for a player with Shurmur and vice versa and that vision can then be reflected in the playbook that is not nearly finished quite yet. I know my outlook is theoretical and optimistic, but it is the more likely scenario in the Browns' situation. We're not likely going to be fortunate enough to get a Sean Payton and Drew Brees type turnaround.

\plea

 

[calleger]

I believe if you replaced the Browns other starting 10 with those in Green Bay, I have a hard time believing the Browns offense would be much different than it is right now.

Colt will CONTINUE to have the snot beat out of him, not because the offensive line is any better or worse, but because teams will continue sending the house at him until he proves he can beat them.

The running game will continue to be non-existant, teams will continue to stack the box, and Colt would continue to fail to get the ball out to his receivers in a timely manner because of that pressure.

The QB has to make people respect him, not the other way around.

When Colt earns that respect, I'd imagine people will start singing a different tune about this offensive talent.

Little and Massaquoi would thrive in Green Bay, so would Watson, so would Hillis or Hardesty. That entire team revolves around their QB. Same story in Indianapolis.

I almost buy it. The detail I am missing. Is it because of the Coach/Scheme or McCoy that there is no hot reads? And without hot reads (and receivers who miss option reads) can Colt even have a chance to beat the blitz?

 

[godfather]

I believe if you replaced the Browns other starting 10 with those in Green Bay, I have a hard time believing the Browns offense would be much different than it is right now.

Colt will CONTINUE to have the snot beat out of him, not because the offensive line is any better or worse, but because teams will continue sending the house at him until he proves he can beat them.

The running game will continue to be non-existant, teams will continue to stack the box, and Colt would continue to fail to get the ball out to his receivers in a timely manner because of that pressure.

The QB has to make people respect him, not the other way around.

When Colt earns that respect, I'd imagine people will start singing a different tune about this offensive talent.

Little and Massaquoi would thrive in Green Bay, so would Watson, so would Hillis or Hardesty. That entire team revolves around their QB. Same story in Indianapolis.

Watson was pretty much doing what he is now with us(he had his best statistical year in Cleveland by the way), like in New England. Last time I checked, New England has a great QB.

If Little and, or Massaquoi would thrive in Green Bay, it would only be because they'd be playing next to guys like Jennings, Finley, Nelson, Driver, Cobb, and Jones. Aaron Rodgers is GREAT, no question about it. My golly, he has a ton of weapons to throw to though. I see their receivers wide, wide open quite often. I see these guys making huge plays after the tackle. Green Bay is loaded with skill players, guys that are a billion times more talented than our core group.

That's nuts to think our talent is anywhere in the same ball park as Green Bay's. Sure, if we had Aaron Rodgers as our QB, yeah, we'd be a better football team. A lot of teams would be. Finding guys like Aaron Rodgers don't grow on trees. But no one can sit here and tell me he doesn't have a ridiculous amount of weapons in his arsenal.

Colt McCoy is no Aaron Rodgers. No one will sit and ever suggest that. Colt McCoy might be a bad QB. But let's not sit here and act like all the problems on this team starts and ends with him. This is just a very bad football team overall, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

It's hard for a young QB to progress when he has very little, to nothing to work with. If the Browns ever want to have a successful QB here in Cleveland, they better start putting a respectable team around him first. It's not going to work with Josh Cribbs as your core receiver, and Chris Ogbonnaya.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Hey, it's entirely possible that the Browns decide to wait on drafting a QB and give Colt two or more years to continue to learn the position. They can use top draft picks on skill positions, like they did with William Green, Braylon Edwards, and Kellen Winslow, and expect Colt to finally learn to get them the ball. It might be the route they choose.

But from the start of the season, I haven't been impressed with Colt. No team in the NFL shows up every Sunday with five stud offensive linemen anymore. There will always be points of weakness, and the QB needs to learn how to deal with a pass rush. Ogbonnaya was a player from Texas he has an existing chemistry and rapport with, so in a bad situation the Browns are trying to put Colt in a position that makes him comfortable. THAT is a great opportunity. Every QB who played in the Arena league or NFL Europe would have dreamed to have the type of opportunity Colt had this year, regardless of the right side of the line or the injuries at running back.

 

[Snowblind]

The offensive line might suck, but if its true that Colt can't audible, then what do we expect to happen? Maybe he does read the defense but if he can't doing anything about it, then teams are going to keep stacking the box.

 

[The Voice]

It entertains me to read excuses for why a spread quarterback trying to learn how to line up behind center should have the freedom to audible. This year, Colt has to learn how to play an NFL style offense, which goes against what he has been programmed to run in college. If he had full license to run audibles, Colt would be changing the play-calling to suit his tastes, not the coaching staff.

The franchise has not invested much financially in McCoy. Colt is due about 5 million over four years, and he was taken in the third round. There are plenty of backup quarterbacks in the league making more money than that. In fact, Seneca Wallace averages twice as much per season. This year is Colt's trial by fire to prove that he can be an efficient quarterback in an NFL offense, or just the backup his contract precludes him to be.

The idea that the entire direction of the franchise should cater to McCoy's inabilities is exactly why the Browns have been unwatchable for a decade. The idea that McCoy is blowing a great opportunity, and the Browns are going to draft a REAL franchise quarterback who can run an NFL offense this offseason is the winning direction.

That's great, but how's he supposed to shift protection without an audible? How's he supposed to avoid blitzes without being able to change the play at the line of scrimmage?

Common, RK, what great opportunity? He goes out there week after week, and gets the snot knocked right out of him.

True and he has the most knockdowns out of any QB.

He's without his starting running back, his backup running back, and has some guy that probably doesn't even know his own name as our running back. They got three offensive linemen blocking for him that have no business being in the NFL. He has a special teams specialist, and a raw talented rookie as his receivers.

That running back you refer to went to college with Colt, I'm sure they're on a first name basis with each other.

Football is a team game. Colt has NOTHING to work with! There's not one position right now that makes his job easier. Even the great QB's like Brady, Rodgers, and Brees have guys that make their job easier. Every young QB needs a security blanket. Colt isn't fortunate enough to get that!

I disagree, the whole defense makes his job easier. On the offensive side things are grimmer, but the TE's, C, one WR (Little) and LT are solid.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Has a Browns QB since 99 got as many excuses as Colt? What do some of you see in this turd?

 

[DDJ7777]

I think most of us are sick of a new QB every year. I'd like to see a QB go for 16 games straight, honestly.

Plus, he's a winner. And he has moxie.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

I think most of us are sick of a new QB every year. I'd like to see a QB go for 16 games straight, honestly.

Plus, he's a winner. And he has moxie.

Don't forget, he has "intagibles".

 

[Huber.]

Don't forget, he has "intagibles".

and he is "tough"

 

[elcheato]

I think most of us are sick of a new QB every year. I'd like to see a QB go for 16 games straight, honestly.

Plus, he's a winner. And he has moxie.

Explain to me how he's a winner? What exactly has he been winning lately?

Not to mention when someone refers to you as just being a winner and having moxie, it usually means you suck and were blessed to be around elite talent some time in your career. In Colt's case, Texas.

 

[Huber.]

Explain to me how he's a winner? What exactly has he been winning lately?

Not to mention when someone refers to you as just being a winner and having moxie, it usually means you suck and were blessed to be around elite talent some time in your career. In Colt's case, Texas.

He was being sarcastic. Everyone keeps calling him a winner because of all the college games he won.