Your view of Colt McCoy

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Why are there some people that still think Colt's college career will translate into success for his NFL career?

 

[DDJ7777]

I think it's pretty clear that Colt is a stopgap at this time. I see him as a Flutie-type player. He may be able to squeak a team into the playoffs but he'll never be the full time answer at QB.

 

[The Voice]

I think his point is that he's optimistic about Colt's future, because he went to Texas so he must be good. However he's seen enough of Braxton to tell he's a bust.

Not at all what I said.

Everyone else is saying that Colt McCoy was only good because of the talent around him at Texas. When I'm failing to see the plethora of NFL talent that was around him compared to OSU's Krenzel or even Pryor.

I think it's pretty clear that Colt is a stopgap at this time. I see him as a Flutie-type player. He may be able to squeak a team into the playoffs but he'll never be the full time answer at QB.

I believe you're correct, but at the same time I'm not ruling out that he has no possibility of being better than that. I don't know if it's our WR's that are bad, the playcalling, sophomore slump or our QB?

Colt McCoy threw a deep pass to Little in the Rams game and that play was only called one other time against Miami. The team is so conservative, it's ridiculous. Why is Shurmer standing on the sideline making Colt McCoy look like an ass? He doesn't even have the ability to audible and has no hot reads! That's pathetic! Most of us have never met Colt McCoy and probably never will. The analysts and the guys on the sideline claim he's a winner and a natural leader. Leadership is a huge intangible needed from a QB.

Why are there some people that still think Colt's college career will translate into success for his NFL career?

Why are their some people that believe there's not a chance the guy will develop into anything based on his collegiate career? Why does it even matter where he went to school? Big Ben went to Miami of Ohio and was picked in round 1. Tom Brady went to UM and was picked in the 6th round. I'm not sure where the school translates into a team considering a player. Colt McCoy wasn't picked because he went to Texas. That's complete utter bullshit.

 

[Soda]

You are right, The problem with the Browns has been not sticking with a plan long enough to see it through. Still we haven't had good enough leaders to stick it out with. Look at the head coaches we had and the highest level they've achieved since us...
Chris Palmer - offensive coordinator
Butch Davis - (disgraced) college head coach
Terry Robiskie - no idea where he is
Romeo Crennel - defensive coordinator
Eric Mangini - tv analyst
Shurmur - nacho vendor?

Now executives
Dwight Clark - out of football
Carmen policy - out of football
Butch Davis - ....
Phil savage- scout for Baltimore
George Kokinis - scout for Baltimore
Tom Heckert - if he were to leave the browns today he'd have another gm job tomorrow.

So yes we don't stick with the regime long enough but the problem has been we've had the wrong people leading the team. None were competent enough to be in the position in the first place.

Max, just because the NBA is in a lock-out doesn't mean that you are able to be an offensive coordinator AND head coach in the NFL. Hold off on the double-dips, if you will. :chuckles:

 

[The Voice]

Last I heard Carmen Policy owns a winery.

 

[Sly]

Last I heard Carmen Policy owns a winery.

http://www.casapiena.com/


Also, Terry Robiskie is the Falcons WR coach.

 

[Triplethreat]

I wish Ozzie was our GM. Fuck Baltimore!

Nothing against Heckert but Ozzie is a genius.

 

[bubba52782]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...-silver_colt_mccoy_browns_brian_daboll_112411

More daboll and McCoy drama. On my iPad, so it makes it difficult to copy and paste the whole thing...interesting stuff though

 

[Maximus]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...-silver_colt_mccoy_browns_brian_daboll_112411

More daboll and McCoy drama. On my iPad, so it makes it difficult to copy and paste the whole thing...interesting stuff though

Holy shit...i had no idea. Here's the article -

McCoy develops thick skin after rookie hazing


By Michael Silver, Yahoo! Sports10 hours, 3 minutes ago

As Colt McCoy prepares for Sunday’s game against the Cincinnati Bengals, the Cleveland Browns’ second-year quarterback is fighting through frustration on several fronts. His team has a disappointing 4-6 record. He and his receivers are adapting to a new, West Coast system implemented by rookie coach Pat Shurmur. And the team’s most valuable offensive player of 2010, running back Peyton Hillis, has been a non-factor, undone by injury and contract-related dissatisfaction.

Compared to the onslaught of negativity McCoy experienced as a rookie, however, these frustrations are subtle and quaint.

When McCoy arrived in Cleveland after a standout career as a four-year starter at the University of Texas, the third-round draft pick was welcomed with stiff arms by then-coach Eric Mangini and his assistants. Offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, in particular, unleashed a torrent of tough love, except the love part was lost on McCoy and the teammates who observed the regular razzing.

In what became a running joke in the Browns’ locker room, Daboll disparaged McCoy loudly and relentlessly – sometimes to his face, sometimes through the earpiece in the quarterback’s helmet.

“There were times I had to pull my helmet off to call a play in the huddle,” McCoy recalled in an interview earlier this month. “Guys could hear him yelling, and they’d say, ‘Just take it off.’ People said to me, ‘Man, I ain’t never seen anything like that. Just hang in there.’”

McCoy did, putting up solid numbers after taking over as the team’s starter six weeks into the 2010 season. His anticipated growth curve has leveled off in his second year – he has 2,181 passing yards, a 59.6 completion percentage, 11 touchdowns, seven interceptions and a passer rating of 79.2 – but his locker-room cred is exceedingly high, largely because teammates remember how well he handled himself as Daboll’s personal punching bag.

“I don’t think they were BFFs,” says one Browns veteran, using the common slang for “best friends forever.”

“I am not sure why Brian didn’t like Colt … I love the guy.”

Says tight end Evan Moore: “There was a lot of pressure put on Colt, and some of it was over the top. He was coming off winning 45 of 53 games in college, and it was the first time he was dealing with adversity. It was a whirlwind for him. He stepped right into a buzz saw. It rocked his world. I knew it was tough for him, and there were a lot of times when he was frustrated. But he did a good job of not really showing it, and he handled it well.”


Daboll, now the Miami Dolphins’ offensive coordinator, declined a Y! Sports interview request. His heavy-handed coaching approach toward McCoy was hardly unique, especially given that it occurred during the quarterback’s rookie season. Says Pro Bowl center Alex Mack, the team’s first-round draft pick in 2009: “When I got here as a rookie, I got hazed much worse by the coaching staff than I did by any player.”

McCoy seemed to be a particularly convenient target, for a variety of reasons: He had been thrust upon Mangini’s staff by newly hired Browns president Mike Holmgren and his handpicked general manager, Tom Heckert, who snatched him up after McCoy slipped in the draft; he came from Texas, where coach Mack Brown has a reputation for coddling players; and he began the season as a clear-cut third-stringer behind free-agent signees Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace.


Rather than being embraced as a potential quarterback of the future, McCoy was treated very much like an afterthought with no hope of sniffing the field. He got no reps in practice, instead directing the scout team, as most third-stringers do, against the defensive starters.

Even those seemingly mundane assignments were fraught with peril.


“I remember [Daboll] yelling into Colt’s headset when he was the scout team quarterback, in the two-minute drill, when they were servicing us,” recalls veteran linebacker Scott Fujita. “Daboll was talking into the microphone, very animated. I looked at Colt and he said, ‘He does that all the time. He’s constantly [expletive] me in the headset.’”


Says a Cleveland offensive player: “It happened all the time. Running scout team, you basically look at a play-card in the huddle and run that play – it’s not like there’s a lot of gray area. And still, Daboll would lose it. One time Daboll was yelling at him as he was running the scout team, into his helmet, and it was the part of the drill that finished practice. As Colt’s walking to the team breakdown area, where Mangini is giving his speech, Daboll is still in his ear, screaming. People couldn’t believe it.”

Another time, says the offensive player, “It was during a walkthrough, and they chose Colt to stand in at fullback, for whatever reason. I guess he kind of ran the wrong route; how the hell should he know what the fullback was supposed to run? Daboll flipped out. Colt was livid. He’d never had a coach talk to him like that.”


Several Browns recalled a meeting early in the 2010 season in which Daboll told McCoy, “I just watched [tape of] your last college game, and you were terrible. What the hell were you throwing out there? That was one of the worst games I’ve ever seen. Why the [expletive] did we draft you?” (Daboll, through a Dolphins spokesman, said he did not recall ever having said those things to McCoy.)


Looking back, McCoy concedes that he was unnerved by the constant admonishment.


“My problem is maybe I took it too personal,” he says. “I had my dad as a coach [in high school], and Mack Brown as my coach [at Texas] – the last two years it was my offense. Then I come here and I’m thinking, ‘We’re all professionals here.’ It was [confusing].


“There came a point where I just really had to find … me … who I wanted to be. It really gave me an opportunity to search, to find that, to decide what I want to stand up for. Do I even want to do this? Do I want to put up with that? I decided, when my time comes to play, I’ll be ready.”


After both Delhomme and Wallace suffered high-ankle sprains, McCoy was pressed into duty, at which point he noticed a pronounced change in his coaches’ demeanor. While still hard on him, Daboll now treated McCoy like a player capable of handling his responsibilities. There were high points, such as the quarterback’s 14-for-19, 174-yard performance in a 34-14 upset over the Patriots in his third start. There were many more low moments, including the high-ankle sprain that McCoy suffered in late November that caused him to miss three games, and the five consecutive defeats as a starter after winning two of his first three games.

McCoy may have done a good job of masking his frustration to his teammates, but at home he wasn’t as successful.


“If I get criticized for anything by my coaches it’s really being too hard on myself,” he says. “I would stay here at the facility till 10, go home, go to sleep, be back here at 6:30. I took a lot of stuff home. It was bad. My wife [Rachel] just thought I was this crazy, foreign, way-off guy in his own world, like, ‘I can’t believe this is my husband.’ People [outside of football] thought something was wrong with me.”

After the season, Holmgren fired Mangini and his assistants, and McCoy insists he bore his departing coaches no ill will.


“When those guys left I walked up and shook their hands,” he says. “I really did appreciate them. It made me stronger as a man. It taught me a lot about how to handle things.”


Shurmur, who’d spent the previous two seasons as the Rams’ offensive coordinator, was hired to replace Mangini in January, but the lockout kept McCoy and his teammates from assimilating and implementing the new coach’s system. Instead, it was McCoy who gathered the Browns for offseason workouts, conducting four separate “Camp Colt” sessions in Austin, Texas, before the labor settlement hastened the start of training camp.


“In a weird way I think that it was good for me, because you almost have to assume that leadership role,” he says. “I had to make sure the guys were working out, training, getting in the playbook, learning the offense. Those guys didn’t know me last year, so having all of them down and working with them was a real positive. We got to grow as teammates, go out, have some fun.”


The most football-related fun McCoy had over the offseason, however, occurred in Hattiesburg, Miss. at the home of a living legend. Eager to learn the principles of the West Coast offense, McCoy got a phone number for Brett Favre from Browns strength and conditioning coach Kent Johnston, the best man in the future Hall of Famer’s wedding. McCoy left a message and Favre, who guided the Packers to consecutive Super Bowls in the ’90s when Holmgren was Green Bay’s coach, called back almost immediately.


“I was totally nervous,” McCoy recalls. “I wore No. 4 in high school because of him. He set it up so I could come down there for a couple of days, and he picked me up from the airport in his Ford truck, wearing his Wranglers.”


McCoy cherished the experience, which included throwing sessions at a nearby high school, fishing on the huge lake on Favre’s property and waking up at the house to eat “the best pancakes in the world,” courtesy of Brett’s mother-in-law. Best of all was a late-night rap session with the three-time MVP, who has sent McCoy encouraging texts in the months that have followed.

Though McCoy entered 2011 as the Browns’ unquestioned starter, he’s still getting some tough love from his superiors. In October Holmgren, asked whether he’s convinced that McCoy is his franchise quarterback, answered, “Let’s let him play and see how performs and we’ll evaluate it at end of year.”

Asked earlier this month if he felt McCoy had taken a step back this season, Heckert said, “I don’t know if he’s regressed – it’s a new offense, and there was a lockout, and there has been an adjustment period – but he should progress now.”


Shurmur says of McCoy: “I like him a great deal. I evaluated him coming out of college, and I always thought he was wired right, thought he would work hard, thought he was talented. To me, he’s almost a rookie. It’s all new.”

If McCoy is in fact getting better, it hasn’t yet shown up on the stat sheet or standings. After winning more games than any quarterback in NCAA history, McCoy is grappling with life in last place in the AFC North.

“I cannot stand to lose,” he says. “I’m a competitor. I’m just almost going insane.”

Though he and Hillis are friends, McCoy seemed to have lost all patience with the ongoing saga when we spoke in early November, saying, “If you’re healthy, just play. Help yourself. Help our team. We’ve got guys in here playing with all kinds of injuries. We do it for each other, for ourselves, for our city – all kinds of reasons. Nobody in [the organization] does disrespect him, whatever he believes.


“You just need to put your head down and play. Maybe I learned that a little bit last year.”

What McCoy has learned in his second season is that progress isn’t always as tangible as he’d like it to be, and that patience is an underrated quality.

“The West Coast, it takes time,” he says. “Some of the coaches called me in the other day and showed me some numbers: Steve Young was 3-16 in his first 19 starts, with a low 60 percent completion rate. Joe Montana started 2-10. Their point to me was, ‘It takes time. Can you be doing better? Yeah. We all can. But just keep fighting. It will happen.’ And that’s exciting, because I know how sweet it’s gonna be.


“From the outside it’s easy to point a finger and say, ‘Look, same old Browns.’ It’s not gonna happen overnight. As frustrating as that is, that’s reality.”

In the meantime, McCoy will put his head down and keep working – and he’s thankful that, unlike last season, he can keep his helmet on while doing so.

 

[CPK]

That's pretty fucked up.

 

[bubba52782]

Holy shit...i had no idea. Here's the article -

Thanks for posting the full thing...it's just a pain from an ipad to copy and repost something that large

 

[SauDogg]

The hell? Daboll's a douche

 

[MDLT]

Mangini should've never been interviewed for a head coaching job, and Daboll is just an embarrassment. It's amazing McCoy didn't kill the guy.

 

[godfather]

Yeah, there was known resentment there. Those two were clearly clowns. Daboll will spend the rest of his career coaching losing teams. Mangini, well, he should get use to his gig at ESPN for awhile.

 

[godfather]

Back to Colt. I think it is important to note that he's progressed as the season has gone on. Of all the troubles he was having earlier in the year, it is good to see that he's not totally regressed and lost any confidence he had left. It could be very easy for a young QB to do that, and it has shown what a true warrior and competitor Colt is. To me it also shows he can only go up, and not down from here on out. I realize it is still not enough to tell us if he's the guy. The fact he's gotten better with all the adversity thrown at him is a good sign. He's still far from perfect, but I've notice he's getting rid of the ball quicker, and his decisions are more precise.

To the Colt haters, is it at least fair to say maybe the jury is still out on him? I understand the doubt, but all things considered has he really been that horrible?

Let's just look at his numbers, shall well. He has a 79.2 passer rating, thrown for 2,181 yards, 11 TD's, 7 picks, and is nearly completing 60% of his passes.

Those numbers aren't going to wow anyone, but they're not exactly bad numbers for a young QB as well. One thing I like about Colt, he's pretty careful with the football. He doesn't turn it over very much. That's a HUGE plus for a young QB, and sorta surprising to be honest. Coming out of Texas, that was one knock on him. He took too many chances, and was prone to being a bit pick happy.

For Colt I'd like to see his pocket mechanics continue to improve. For me, that's by far and away the biggest red flag in his game. Not his arm strength, his accuracy, or his decision making. I think all three of those are good enough for me to be an NFL starter in this league. His footwork, poise, and ability to throw from the pocket is still a working progress. It's been better the last few games, but still not close to where we'd like to see it.

I'm really curious to see how he plays the rest of the way. I don't think Holmgren has yet made up his mind on him. How he performs the rest of the way might be a strong indication of what we do this Spring.
If he comes up with a big win over the Steelers, or Ravens, he might get a big vote of confidence from the front office. And maybe some of the Colt haters might just give him more of a chance before they completely write him off.

If I had to give him a grade so far, I'd give him a C. I don't think he's totally hopeless. I might be in the minority, but I still think he could be a solid starter in this league.