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He's talking Jon, not the other dude.
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He's talking Jon, not the other dude.
Huh?
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I don't know. I'm drunk.
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No one was in favor of cutting Andy. Parker is at the end of his career, and Jamison is currently unhappy, uninspired and it seems like it would have worked out better for both parties had we found a solution for a buyout. Trading Sessions was 100 percent the right move. The argument for keeping Sessions (have a solid backup PG so the second unit stays competitive) did not fit the long term vision of the organization The Andy injury was a blessing for the long term because it has helped create a dip in the standings. So in a sense part of the reason why we have put ourselves in this great draft position is Andy, Sessions, Gibson are not playing every night and Jamison's lost his passion (so in a sense he is not the same guy from earlier in the season.)
You said that we would never be bad enough to be in the bottom 4. Well guess what like so many countless times, you were wrong. (I recall some gibberish about not being dysfunctional enough.)
Most posters acknowledge were they were int he wrong, but you never want to admit defeat. Chasing the 8th seed and wanting to add a vet to insure a playoff appearance was the wrong choice. Now we are playing a bunch of young players, and seeing if any can be apart of the future such as Harris, Sloan and Hudson. It means we lose more games, but it is the right move. Thank God, Grant knows what he is doing, and never paid any attention to your "compete at all costs" approach that made no sense.
You said that we would never be bad enough to be in the bottom 4. Well guess what like so many countless times, you were wrong. (I recall some gibberish about not being dysfunctional enough.)
Most posters acknowledge were they were int he wrong, but you never want to admit defeat. Chasing the 8th seed and wanting to add a vet to insure a playoff appearance was the wrong choice. Now we are playing a bunch of young players, and seeing if any can be apart of the future such as Harris, Sloan and Hudson. It means we lose more games, but it is the right move. Thank God, Grant knows what he is doing, and never paid any attention to your "compete at all costs" approach that made no sense.
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There were a good amount people that wanted to go for the 8th seed. They just haven't posted much in the last few weeks.
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The Cavs will be in the Finals again before the Browns make the playoffs.
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The point many of us were trying to make is that our vets were getting too many minutes including (Jamison, Parker, Sessions) who weren't even going to be here past this year. When rebuilding you try and develop guys who are actually going to be apart of the franchise in the future, even if it hurts your winning percentage. I recall games early in the year where TT and Irving were rarely on the court together.
If Grant wanted to, he could have traded away future assets to make that 8 seed more possible. Some posters said they wanted to win as many games as possible and did not care what it meant for the draft position. I am not making any of this up, but there were even a few posters that wanted to package TT for someone that was a more polished player right now. People got caught up with the team playing competitive ball the first 5 weeks, and forgot how many long term holes this roster truly has.
If Grant wanted to, he could have traded away future assets to make that 8 seed more possible. Some posters said they wanted to win as many games as possible and did not care what it meant for the draft position. I am not making any of this up, but there were even a few posters that wanted to package TT for someone that was a more polished player right now. People got caught up with the team playing competitive ball the first 5 weeks, and forgot how many long term holes this roster truly has.
Hey, az20, if you want to actually try to prove I said something, then why don't you quote exactly what I said?
For instance, want to know someone who was in favor of waiving Jamison?
How about L-Train?
Or DaddyWags:
See? It's not hard...
For instance, want to know someone who was in favor of waiving Jamison?
How about L-Train?
Or DaddyWags:
See? It's not hard...
You might as well be making it up because stating this crap out of context is meaningless and insulting.
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Read My post again! You said people were in favor of out right releasing Andy. Here is your qoute since you asked foor it JFVA( LOL, remember when people wanted to waive Sessions, Antawn, Anderson),Many were in favor of trading Andy, but no one seriously wanted to out right relase him. Of course people are in favor of a Jamison buyout after the trade deadline, it makes sense for both parties. Yes, many of us wanted to trade Sessions and get first round pick becuase HE WAS NOT RETURNING NEXT SEASon I would like to know when I or anyone in my camp was demaning to release ANDY and Sessions, beucase I am pretty sure we were caling for TRADES that would give us more assests in the future.
Let me fill you in on something. Just becuase you dont agree with the move, does not make it false or wrong . None of us are right 100 perecnt of the time. You seem to think or (maybe you just tell yourself this) that you are never wrong. I could go back and qoute you from the start of the year when you stated this team was not dysfucntional enoguh to get a top pick, but hoenstly I have better things to do! Those of us that have been active have a pretty good memory that there were posters who were in favor of a "Win now approch" It does not require me to look up qoutes.Most rational people use something called a memory.
It is not the end of the world, but we never should had had a a "win as all costs approach" and it is obvious now.
Let me fill you in on something. Just becuase you dont agree with the move, does not make it false or wrong . None of us are right 100 perecnt of the time. You seem to think or (maybe you just tell yourself this) that you are never wrong. I could go back and qoute you from the start of the year when you stated this team was not dysfucntional enoguh to get a top pick, but hoenstly I have better things to do! Those of us that have been active have a pretty good memory that there were posters who were in favor of a "Win now approch" It does not require me to look up qoutes.Most rational people use something called a memory.
It is not the end of the world, but we never should had had a a "win as all costs approach" and it is obvious now.
Wow. You're going there? If you really want to get technical, you should have noted that I said "waive" not "out right releasing". If we had bought out Jamison, he would have been placed on waivers.
The problem is not only has your "memory" been faulty time and time and time again - you go out of your way to insult other board members based on your faulty memory of who said what. So, try the quoting approach.
The main point emphasized over and over by members of the tank squad was that they didn't want the veterans of the team taking playing time from the kids or winning us games. Of course we all want as much as we can get for those players, but few tankers cared about that. If they did, they wouldn't be tankers.
There you go again...
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Given the nature of the NFL, I'm willing to take a bet that the Browns make the playoffs before the Cavs make the finals.
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I still would like to know when people were asking for Andy to be cut? Waive, relased cut, either way you are not getting anything for him. It would have been comical to out right re-lease Andy due to his value and that is why no one with any sense actually wanted to do that. I like how you sidestepped that issue. Also, many of us advocated and were happy Sessions got traded, and that is a fact. If you feel insulted, that I dont agree with you, and I dont give in to your logic, I am sorry but I am entitled to my opinion.
You also never addressed the dysfunctional comment, but I dont really care at this point. I have nothing against you personally. I just dislike the fact that you never admit when you were wrong. Case in point when you called Irving a "rich man's Gibson" and then denied it for pages when people called you out on it.
Since I am human, I have been wrong several times, and I am not in denial about that. Perhaps, I am too hard on the people that wanted to win as much as possible, I get it, but I am still convinced winning games was never the goal of the organization this year, and I think that is the right approach for the 1st year of a rebuild
You hate being wrong, which is fine. The reality is, your opinions and thoughts are not always right, and it would be nice if you could acknowledge that from time to time.
You also never addressed the dysfunctional comment, but I dont really care at this point. I have nothing against you personally. I just dislike the fact that you never admit when you were wrong. Case in point when you called Irving a "rich man's Gibson" and then denied it for pages when people called you out on it.
Since I am human, I have been wrong several times, and I am not in denial about that. Perhaps, I am too hard on the people that wanted to win as much as possible, I get it, but I am still convinced winning games was never the goal of the organization this year, and I think that is the right approach for the 1st year of a rebuild
You hate being wrong, which is fine. The reality is, your opinions and thoughts are not always right, and it would be nice if you could acknowledge that from time to time.