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76ers/Cavs Talking Trade?

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That’s right, Cavs’ fans, it’s official. The Cavs and the 76ers have been reportedly discussing a deal that would involve Andre Miller and Drew Gooden as the principles. The interesting piece to this potential deal is the constant scuttlebut that the Cavs and Sixers aren’t good trading partners. That may be true, but if there’s one thing I can guarantee you, that won’t stop a deal from happening.

Reportedly, the deal being discussed was Andre Miller and Reggie Evans for Drew Gooden, Cedric Simmons and Ira Newble. Draft picks were also bantered about in the discussions, although nothing serious. It’s believed that Ed Stefanski is in the beginning stages of looking at potential deals, but does appear to be searching for a way to get further under the cap. According to Stefanski, the Sixers will only be $6 million under the cap. It’s not a bad figure, but for a team rebuilding, it’s nowhere near enough.

Miller may never be in a more tradable position. He is playing at a high level right now, and has Cavs’ roots. For as well as he’s playing, Miller isn’t a name that will be flashing in neon signs in many GM’s eyes. Danny Ferry, on the other hand, must have Miller at the top of his list. The Sixers have the upper hand with this deal because of the high need for point guards across the league. Still, the Cavs do have something the Sixers want. And I just want to get this off my chest, Andre Miller is good, but he’s not as good as the Philly media has been making him out to be. I read somewhere ripping into Drew Gooden for playing for three teams in his years of playing. No offense, but Andre Miller has rolled with four teams. There’s a reason for that. We aren’t talking about a game-changing player here, but a role player. Granted, he’s a role player that will give you 14 and 7 a game, but let’s not confuse Miller as a gamebreaker, or an all-star. In the land of supply-and-demand, he has good value, but let’s not overvalue him.

Reggie Evans is the perfect forward for the Cavs. Why? He’s not Drew Gooden. Let’s put it this way. With Reggie Evans, you pretty much know what you are going to get game in and game out. He’s going to give you 5 or so points per game, and 7 or so rebounds. He’ll have an occasional bigger night, but that’s more the exception than the rule.

We all know that Ira Newble is a throw in as an expiring contract, and Cedric Simmons is a guy the Sixers have been interested in for awhile. If Simmons doesn’t work out, he’s only 1.6 million on the books for another year.

Drew Gooden is the key to this deal. I don’t like Gooden as a player, because he leaves too much on the table. Sure, he’ll give you 13 points, and 9 boards a game, which is solid NBA output, but you know within all of that is a guy who could go 18 and 12 a game. Maybe it’s the offense, or maybe it’s the player, but either way, it’s time for Drew to go. At only 26, the Sixers would be getting a young player with good experience and upside, to go along the #’s every game. No, he’s not Karl Malone, or even LIAR LOOZER, but he’s a solid #4, which the Sixers are wanting. He also has a cap friendly contract. As far as returns go for Miller, Gooden would be a good get.

The Cavs, hopefully, are focusing on Miller, and not dealing Hughes. I’m sorry, but it’s a pipedream that anyone is going to take on Larry Hughes’ contract. Hughes has to prove that he’s a viable player, and right now, he’s not. It’s too bad they couldn’t drop him at the end of the season, like in the NFL, and get rid of some of the cap hit. If they DO deal Hughes, unless they get a group of lepers in returns, Danny Ferry should be named GM of the Decade.

I have a feeling that we are a long way from seeing anything happen, but it should be an interesting run.

Apologies go out to the lepers. No offense meant. I’m sure you all could play a lot better than Hughes.

http://mvn.com/nba-cavaliers/2007/1...elphia-76ers-confirmed-to-be-discussing-deal/

Granted it's from a Cavs blog, I don't know how reliable he is...

But am I the only who cringed when the deal of Gooden, Simmons and Newble for Miller and Evans was thrown out there? Granted it's pretty good value, I don't think it'd be smart because of three reasons:

Evans seems somewhat redundant with Varejao on the team since they are basically the player; there basically made in the same mold... Both rebound at a fairly high clip, both are hustle players, both have a hard time scoring and both have distinctive features (AV's hair and Reggie's Dumbo ears :chuckles:)... I mean if we were to acquire another big man with Gooden leaving I'd like him to be some what skilled on the offensive end because with Ilgauskas sitting out for around 15-20 minutes a game we need another post presence, or something that resembles one, out there...

A Miller-Hughes backcourt would be the worst thing possible for LeBron... Hughes is shooting 32.5% from the field, 28.2% from 3 and has a eFG% of 36.5 on jumpers; while Millers is shooting 49.4% from the field, 10% from 3 and has a eFG% of 41.5 on jumpers... Miller's numbers are terrible but put them next to Hughes and LeBron in the same starting lineup and your basically telling defenses to double and triple team LeBron and make us beat them from the outside... I mean it just seems stupid with a player like LeBron who operates well in space and passes to a lot of open guys on the perimeter, thus making a Hughes-Miller backcourt seem stupid... I think by now if we've learned anything it's that LeBron works well with shooters...

Third, Gooden is really our biggest trade assets and using him to acquire some pieces that don't necessarily fit here, seems not using your best asset to it's fullest potential and acquiring something that you really need instead of something you kind of need...
 
If we're bringing in Miller I think Hughes almost has to be on the way out and then it will be Miller and Gibson or more than likely Miller and Sasha in the backcourt.
 
I kinda wanted to see Cedric's game before we would ship him out. I think he could be a solid defensive rebounding big man in this league. Well, thats just me dreaming.
 
But am I the only who cringed when the deal of Gooden, Simmons and Newble for Miller and Evans was thrown out there?

No you are not. Unless Evans has more defensive ability than drew, he is not a great answer. Miller is better than 0, but not all that bad. i just think Bibby is a better fit. With Bibby pushing the tempo lebron will score 40 a night.. Just saying.
 
I don't see Danny trading Drew for Miller. Probably Hughs would be the principle. Ferry just won't trade a young big for an older small. Oh by the way..Drew is way better than Evans.
 
This type of deal would certainly mean another one in the works as well, as it would just add to the guard logjam, while doing nothing to buffer the PF/C situation.

with that trade, the Cavs would end up with Z, Andy, Evans, D-League Jones and a broken-down Marshall as the frontcourt rotation. Simmons and even Newble, who has done admirably as a stand-in, would be gone.

So while subtracting two players from the 4/5, you add one to the backcourt, which is already 7 deep. Even if from that point on you consider Sasha a backup SF -- and he should certainly not start anymore -- you have way too many players and way too much money tied up in those positions.

It would only make sense to trade in some of your small chips, moving any combination of Devin, Shannon, Boobie (yes), Hughes, Damon, Sasha and Snow. For some frontcourt depth and a bit of backcourt shooting.
Wow, that sounds awfully familiar, no?
 
Smooth: "Miller's numbers are terrible".

His field goal percentage is among the top half dozen guards in the game.

And 16 points, six assists and four boards per game are awful?

Please find a Cavs guard who can approximate those numbers.

His 3 point percentage is meaningless. Unlike some of the Cavs' guards he knows they are not his strength, so he doesn't shoot them (1 every 5 games.)

Give him his due. He is an excellent passer who would excel setting up LBJ, Z and Gibson. Unlike Cavs guards he doesn't think an entry pass is a free ticket to the movies!

I'm not saying get him at any price. But he clearly would be an upgrade.
 
^And Miller CAN penetrate. Shooters are nice to have around Lebron, yes, but that is at a premium with our current guards because NONE can penetrate. If they could, defenses would be required to rotate more then once. When they double Lebron, if the guy he passed to could get to the rim, they would be forced to rotate again, and with Andre's passing even more open shots should result.

I don't necessarilly advocate Drew for Miller, especially in the forementioned trade, seems like every tradeable piece would be in that deal, and all we net is Andre...I think you need to split Newble and Drew and piece them together w/ our old duds, Snow, Jones, Marshall, and Hughes if at all possible and make two seperate trades.

However, i have said from the beginning, people underestimate what Andre would do here. We currently have one player on our entire roster that makes other players better. Add Andre and you have two......
 
Excuse me but why are we not trading for Miller? :mad:
 
Lets assume Ferry does make that philly trade. Maybe a second trade of hughes/Damon for Z-bo could be in the works?

Lineup:
Miller
Pavs
Lebron
Z-Bo
AV

2nd unit:
Gibson
SBrown
DBrown
Evans
Z
 
Who the Hell is Z-Bo? Where the hell did plain old Z go?
 
Lets assume Ferry does make that philly trade. Maybe a second trade of hughes/Damon for Z-bo could be in the works?

Lineup:
Miller
Pavs
Lebron
Z-Bo
AV

2nd unit:
Gibson
SBrown
DBrown
Evans
Z

Randolph ain't coming here and why would Z be bumped to the bench?
 
I think that Miller would impact our team like Fisher is currently impacting the Lakers. Their games are drastically different. Miller pushes the ball up the court and presses tempo all game. He lives in the lane and is very efficient scoring in the key or around the basket.

Whats Tony Parker 3pt avg now a days? Parker and Miller have similar games... Parker Lite?

He'd definitely help us. Teams would worry about Miller pushing the ball up the floor and getting to the basket. Millers penetration would collapse defenses and leave Lebron either open or in a 1 on 1 situation with the defense off balance rotating.

Its still a bandaid and im not sure it makes us a legit contender. If we could add a legit off/def post presence I would like our chances with Miller.
 
Are they still talking trade and have stopped or have they been talking trade for this entire week ??
 
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