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#52 DeShone Kizer

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Phills14 said:
I am not confident on anything having to do with Osweiler. I really don't know what they are going to do. If it were me, I'd keep Osweiler and have him compete with Kessler for the starting job. It's just 1 more capable guy that is between Kizer and the field in 2017. Kizer needs to learn this season. Sprinkle him in here or there but don't put the load on him to win games this season, at least early on. If he proves himself in practice through out the season, let's go! But if we keep Osweiler, I think he'll be a capable starter or a good backup to Kessler. I don't see the advantage of gaining a 5th-6th round pick for him opposed to actually using him on the field. Given our scheme and the burden of his contract off his shoulders, I think Osweiler can be a significantly improved player from last year.

As far as the rest of the QBs like Hogan, he's a camp arm and no loss whatsoever if he's cut. Practice squad? Sure I think he's still eligible but if someone else is interesting, I have no problem dropping Hogan and finding a JAG.
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We will keep a QB on the practice squad just in case and it never hurts and the staff seem to like Hogan so I think he will be on the practice squad. I think since he wasn't traded before this draft that means they are going to allow Osweiler to compete with Kessler. Id rather have Kizer sit a year even though there is a bunch of guys like no he needs to play day one and it's like we need to stop doing that to young QBs, let him sit on the bench and learn from Jackson and the staff and when next year rolls around if he can be the long term starter let's skip on day 1/day 2 QB and just do BPA/fill in the rest of the holes
 
sportscoach said:
We will keep a QB on the practice squad just in case and it never hurts and the staff seem to like Hogan so I think he will be on the practice squad. I think since he wasn't traded before this draft that means they are going to allow Osweiler to compete with Kessler. Id rather have Kizer sit a year even though there is a bunch of guys like no he needs to play day one and it's like we need to stop doing that to young QBs, let him sit on the bench and learn from Jackson and the staff and when next year rolls around if he can be the long term starter let's skip on day 1/day 2 QB and just do BPA/fill in the rest of the holes
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He's intelligent. Let's be real, the competition for him is Brock Osweiler, who is terrible, and a still learning Cody Kessler. It's not like he has to beat out Brett Favre.

I'm not saying he starts week 1, but I am saying he will at some point this season. And he has to. We must know what we have in him before the 2018 draft. If we have any doubts, that's when Darnold, Allen, or Rosen are going to be picked.
 
I was not a fan of Kizer, but it's tough to argue with the
thedarkness2332 said:
He's intelligent. Let's be real, the competition for him is Brock Osweiler, who is terrible, and a still learning Cody Kessler. It's not like he has to beat out Brett Favre.

I'm not saying he starts week 1, but I am saying he will at some point this season. And he has to. We must know what we have in him before the 2018 draft. If we have any doubts, that's when Darnold, Allen, or Rosen are going to be picked.
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I think we only have to know what we have in either Kiser or Kessler before next year. A question mark regarding either won't prevent us from going after the best available QB next year. If that means we end up with a Brady/Garrapolo situation, we can live with that.

I think it is unlikely that one season is enough to fairly evaluate both of them.
 
thedarkness2332 said:
He's intelligent. Let's be real, the competition for him is Brock Osweiler, who is terrible, and a still learning Cody Kessler. It's not like he has to beat out Brett Favre.

I'm not saying he starts week 1, but I am saying he will at some point this season. And he has to. We must know what we have in him before the 2018 draft. If we have any doubts, that's when Darnold, Allen, or Rosen are going to be picked.
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Personally that's the wrong mentality with a rookie QB, he doesn't have to start, he has to earn the right to start and Kessler is better than you are giving him credit for. Kessler as long as he doesn't get a concussion happens to be a fairly competent NFL QB and no he doesn't have the upside of Kizer, he is going to be a lot better running the offense this season than Kizer will be.

Osweiler I don't think he is as bad as he showed in Houston either since that organization under Bill O'Brian has been going through more QBs than Cleveland has been. Something isn't right in that locker room when it's comes to the QBs and it's possible right now that could be a worse spot than Cleveland for a QB to go.

Let's see what they can do since just saying Kizer has to start is a mistake that we keep making with Rookie QBs, he has to beat out Osweiler and Kessler for the starting spot and that will.be a stretch when both have NFL experience and Kessler has had two offseasons in this system and has shown he has the right to play in the NFL
 
I think Kizer wins the job. Just too many tools for him not to be starting, and it's the best way for him to learn as well. I can't envision the offense being better with any of our other QB's with Kizer having the dual threat ability.
 
CleveRocks said:
I think we are on the same page.. whoever starts has been getting hammered in the backfield....
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Whomever plays at QB this year will be playing behind a vastly different/greatly improved OL than the one behind which our QB's had to play last year. That will be a better environment than any we've had since pre-Mack injury 2014, when we went 3-2.

I hope/expect Kessler will get the initial start because he's the most familiar with the offense, and then see how things go from there. At least two guys will get a chance to start at least some games.
 
Triplethreat said:
I think Kizer wins the job. Just too many tools for him not to be starting, and it's the best way for him to learn as well. I can't envision the offense being better with any of our other QB's with Kizer having the dual threat ability.
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Apparently, Kizer's issue is as much heart as it is talent or raw brains, and I think that makes him unpredictable. He could be the best or the worst of the three depending if Hue is able to turn him around.

Kessler is accurate, and will know the offense better than either of the other two. That will make him likely the most prepared to start the first week even if he has the lowest upside of the three.
 
sportscoach said:
Personally that's the wrong mentality with a rookie QB, he doesn't have to start, he has to earn the right to start and Kessler is better than you are giving him credit for. Kessler as long as he doesn't get a concussion happens to be a fairly competent NFL QB and no he doesn't have the upside of Kizer, he is going to be a lot better running the offense this season than Kizer will be.

Osweiler I don't think he is as bad as he showed in Houston either since that organization under Bill O'Brian has been going through more QBs than Cleveland has been. Something isn't right in that locker room when it's comes to the QBs and it's possible right now that could be a worse spot than Cleveland for a QB to go.

Let's see what they can do since just saying Kizer has to start is a mistake that we keep making with Rookie QBs, he has to beat out Osweiler and Kessler for the starting spot and that will.be a stretch when both have NFL experience and Kessler has had two offseasons in this system and has shown he has the right to play in the NFL
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I expect Kessler to start the season, mostly based on familiarity with the offense. DeShone has a lot of catch-up to do.

However, judging by Hue's comments, I think he's going to get a legitimate chance to win the job.

A few games in, if and when this team is 2-6, I think you consider a move to Kizer if he's ready by that point. At some point, you have to see him this season.

He's big, strong, and smart. He's also a little cocky. It's not like he's a delicate flower out there, he'll be fine. If he gets humbled, that also may not be the worst thing for his future development.

I don't want to even comment of Osweiler. He's garbage. I don't want him around this team, frankly. He's a veteran presence, but a bad one. If rumors around that Texan QB room are true, Osweiler's attitude may have been the problem.
 
thedarkness2332 said:
IIf rumors around that Texan QB room are true, Osweiler's attitude may have been the problem.
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Honest question, because I really don't know.

Are the rumors floating around about Osweiler's attitude anything similar to the ones floating around about Kizer's?
 
thedarkness2332 said:
I expect Kessler to start the season, mostly based on familiarity with the offense. DeShone has a lot of catch-up to do.

However, judging by Hue's comments, I think he's going to get a legitimate chance to win the job.

A few games in, if and when this team is 2-6, I think you consider a move to Kizer if he's ready by that point. At some point, you have to see him this season.

He's big, strong, and smart. He's also a little cocky. It's not like he's a delicate flower out there, he'll be fine. If he gets humbled, that also may not be the worst thing for his future development.

I don't want to even comment of Osweiler. He's garbage. I don't want him around this team, frankly. He's a veteran presence, but a bad one. If rumors around that Texan QB room are true, Osweiler's attitude may have been the problem.
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You mean when this team is 0 and 8?
 
thedarkness2332 said:
I expect Kessler to start the season, mostly based on familiarity with the offense. DeShone has a lot of catch-up to do.

However, judging by Hue's comments, I think he's going to get a legitimate chance to win the job.

A few games in, if and when this team is 2-6, I think you consider a move to Kizer if he's ready by that point. At some point, you have to see him this season.

He's big, strong, and smart. He's also a little cocky. It's not like he's a delicate flower out there, he'll be fine. If he gets humbled, that also may not be the worst thing for his future development.

I don't want to even comment of Osweiler. He's garbage. I don't want him around this team, frankly. He's a veteran presence, but a bad one. If rumors around that Texan QB room are true, Osweiler's attitude may have been the problem.
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Yeah he is going to get a chance, but it's not based off of win or loss, it is based off of the numbers Kessler is putting up. If he's playing really well, you aren't going to sit Kessler for Kizer no matter the actual win or loss. I get you wanna get Kizer out in games, but if Kessler is playing well it's not happening. If we keep Osweiler it's possible Kizer won't even be active for a fair amount of games.

Also we don't know how much getting dumped like Osweiler did and a bad season like he had effected him. Some guys don't grow up until they hit rock bottom and Brock knows he has to show up otherwise this could be the last season of his career. Since we kept him this long, I want to give Osweiler the benefit of the doubt since if Jackson and company didn't see something in him from talking with him, they would have cut him/traded him. Brock wasn't mentioned when we acquired him, yet he showed up early to join the team. I wanna see what he does in camp before I count him out.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Honest question, because I really don't know.

Are the rumors floating around about Osweiler's attitude anything similar to the ones floating around about Kizer's?
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Osweiler was entitled, has a track record for being a douchebag back to his days at Arizona State, clashed with Texans coaches, didn't handle being relegated to backup well, fussed about it instead of supporting Tom Savage, quit on the team, is very selfish, was disliked in the Houston locker room, and Tom Savage even made subtle remarks this offseason talking about how peaceful the QB room is going to be now that he's gone. Personally, I was hoping we'd deal him during the draft for a 7th just to get rid of him.

Kizer? I think he's a coachable kid, a good kid. I just think he's a little cocky from being a natural athlete his whole life and having early success, but that will easily be sorted out by Hue if it hasn't already been by his 4-8 season and slide in the draft. The guy I see talking seems humbled and as mature as can be.

So no, I wouldn't feel inclined to make that comparison.
 
I have no problem with Kizer's personality so long as Hue Jackson is coaching this football team.

There is zero doubt this kid has all the physical tools to succeed. I actually have full trust in Jackson to get the most out of his talent.

This guy in the right system is a franchise changing talent. Praying this is that right system.
 
AZ_ said:
I have no problem with Kizer's personality so long as Hue Jackson is coaching this football team.

There is zero doubt this kid has all the physical tools to succeed. I actually have full trust in Jackson to get the most out of his talent.

This guy in the right system is a franchise changing talent. Praying this is that right system.
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I agree.

Sashi in the post-draft presser also made comments essentially stating that he has no idea where it came from that Kizer has a personality issue or doesn't love football.

He basically said that he, Hue, and Andrew Berry uncovered nothing on that and felt that he was an intelligent, confident, hungry young player who loves the game and can't wait to work. A player who knows how much he has to put into it to go where he wants to go.
 
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