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Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

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Bob_The_Cat said:
It's great that he can fit that throw in, but to the point of @buzzdog Njoku is wide open underneath and probably gets at least another 10-15 yards if Baker hits him.

Love the balls to throw down field, but there's going to come a lot of times where this completely bites us in the dick if a throw sails on him. He's also going to lead his WR into some dicey situations if this continues to happen on the regular.

Not looking for him to be a check down Charlie, but that's a pretty obvious situation when you see him throwing into triple coverage. Hit the TE, get a 1st, and keep it moving.
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I wholeheartedly disagree.

Yes, Njoku is open but there's pretty much no chance he gains 10 or 15 yards after the catch considering he's completely stationary with his back is to the defense. He would have to turn completely around to get up field and there are two defenders within 5 yards of him that are already moving forward towards him. They would close in on him immediately and make a quick tackle. That Njoku play, while open, certainly looks like a 5, maybe an 8 yard gain without a missed/broken tackle.

The throw to Callaway is 100% the right play if you're accurate enough to hit that window, which Mayfield clearly is. It's not triple coverage. It is a perfect throw against zone coverage. Plus Callaway, if he hangs on, catches that ball on the run in stride at full speed. WORST case scenario the safety drags him down round the 20-yard line for a 20 yard gain. If the safety whiffs, it's a touchdown.

Give me a 20 yard gain over a 5-8 yard gain every time.
 
CBBI said:
I wholeheartedly disagree.

Yes, Njoku is open but there's pretty much no chance he gains 10 or 15 yards after the catch considering he's completely stationary with his back is to the defense. He would have to turn completely around to get up field and there are two defenders within 5 yards of him that are already moving forward towards him. They would close in on him immediately and make a quick tackle. That Njoku play, while open, certainly looks like a 5, maybe an 8 yard gain without a missed/broken tackle.

The throw to Callaway is 100% the right play if you're accurate enough to hit that window, which Mayfield clearly is. It's not triple coverage. It is a perfect throw against zone coverage. Plus Callaway, if he hangs on, catches that ball on the run in stride at full speed. WORST case scenario the safety drags him down round the 20-yard line for a 20 yard gain. If the safety whiffs, it's a touchdown.

Give me a 20 yard gain over a 5-8 yard gain every time.
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On this particular play I agree with your assessment. I think throwing to Njoku would have been acceptable but the throw to Calloway was there and I actually think Njoku's position served to draw the DBs in opening up Calloway a bit more. I love Mayfield's attack dog mentality and aggressiveness there and an NFL receiver needs to make that catch.

Where I want to see more check downs and safety valve types of options is on some of the longer, slower developing route trees that are forcing Baker to hold the ball when the receivers fail to get seperation. Usually when Baker is forced to hold the ball the short zones are wide open but there is nobody running there to throw to. Haley needs to design plays to have a back or tight end (or both) leak out into these short zones after they finish chip blocking to slow down the pass rush, and we need to hone our ability to execute some various types of screen passes that would be effective in deterring the pass rush when defenses are expecting us to throw.

Just having a little more variety of targets, and some plays that Baker can check to pre-snap at the LOS when he reads a heavy rush, would help to loosen up other aspects of our passing game IMO.
 
buzzdog said:
On this particular play I agree with your assessment. I think throwing to Njoku would have been acceptable but the throw to Calloway was there and I actually think Njoku's position served to draw the DBs in opening up Calloway a bit more. I love Mayfield's attack dog mentality and aggressiveness there and an NFL receiver needs to make that catch.

Where I want to see more check downs and safety valve types of options is on some of the longer, slower developing route trees that are forcing Baker to hold the ball when the receivers fail to get seperation. Usually when Baker is forced to hold the ball the short zones are wide open but there is nobody running there to throw to. Haley needs to design plays to have a back or tight end (or both) leak out into these short zones after they finish chip blocking to slow down the pass rush, and we need to hone our ability to execute some various types of screen passes that would be effective in deterring the pass rush when defenses are expecting us to throw.

Just having a little more variety of targets, and some plays that Baker can check to pre-snap at the LOS when he reads a heavy rush, would help to loosen up other aspects of our passing game IMO.
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I totally agree with you here as well.

Far too often Mayfield is left without a safety valve on a given play. Too many slow developing routes that require the OL to really hold up well in pass protection.
 
Bob_The_Cat said:
It's great that he can fit that throw in, but to the point of @buzzdog Njoku is wide open underneath and probably gets at least another 10-15 yards if Baker hits him.

Love the balls to throw down field, but there's going to come a lot of times where this completely bites us in the dick if a throw sails on him. He's also going to lead his WR into some dicey situations if this continues to happen on the regular.

Not looking for him to be a check down Charlie, but that's a pretty obvious situation when you see him throwing into triple coverage. Hit the TE, get a 1st, and keep it moving.
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He put the ball where it needed to be and as long as Calloway is there, no one else is going to catch the ball. Now if Calloway catches it, he has 1 man to beat coming at him from a bad angle. That catch has the potential to be a touchdown more times than not. Njoku is open and is the safe throw to move the chains but has no where near the big play potential as the one he chose.
 
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CBBI said:
I totally agree with you here as well.

Far too often Mayfield is left without a safety valve on a given play. Too many slow developing routes that require the OL to really hold up well in pass protection.
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I’ve seen quite a few plays where mayfield ignores the wide open check down or just doesn’t see it too.
 
The Voice said:
I’ve seen quite a few plays where mayfield ignores the wide open check down or just doesn’t see it too.
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There's some of this happening as well.

I'm mostly ok with him ignoring the checkdown in favor of more aggressive throws overall. Obviously you'd rather him make positive plays than eat sacks or throw interceptions, but generally speaking I don't want him to get away from that attacking mentality.
 
CBBI said:
There's some of this happening as well.

I'm mostly ok with him ignoring the checkdown in favor of more aggressive throws overall. Obviously you'd rather him make positive plays than eat sacks or throw interceptions, but generally speaking I don't want him to get away from that attacking mentality.
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Part of the issue with constanly ignoring check downs is it lets the backers get a deeper drop, making that throw over the top much tougher. Until he hits them every now and then LBs will drop deeper to take away the deeper routes.

Hard to tell though not immediately knowing down and distance on this particular play.
 
Bob_The_Cat said:
Part of the issue with constanly ignoring check downs is it lets the backers get a deeper drop, making that throw over the top much tougher. Until he hits them every now and then LBs will drop deeper to take away the deeper routes.

Hard to tell though not immediately knowing down and distance on this particular play.
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It was 2nd and 8 from the Chargers 40 yard line. The Browns were trailing 35-6. They converted on 3rd and 8 and eventually scored a touchdown on the drive.
 
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CBBI said:
There's some of this happening as well.

I'm mostly ok with him ignoring the checkdown in favor of more aggressive throws overall. Obviously you'd rather him make positive plays than eat sacks or throw interceptions, but generally speaking I don't want him to get away from that attacking mentality.
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He’s not taking it and other guys are covered causing him to get sacked or be forced to take it out of the pocket.
 
Bob_The_Cat said:
It's great that he can fit that throw in, but to the point of @buzzdog Njoku is wide open underneath and probably gets at least another 10-15 yards if Baker hits him.

Love the balls to throw down field, but there's going to come a lot of times where this completely bites us in the dick if a throw sails on him. He's also going to lead his WR into some dicey situations if this continues to happen on the regular.

Not looking for him to be a check down Charlie, but that's a pretty obvious situation when you see him throwing into triple coverage. Hit the TE, get a 1st, and keep it moving.
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I don't know the down and distance on this, so I cant comment on that but 31 was right there to tackle Njoku so there would be no yards after catch. Look at how he reacts to the throw. Throw it underneath and it would cause him to come up and make the hit. He also hit Calloway in full stride and not only was he down field, but if he makes the catch he has a shot at taking that to the house.

It was the correct throw most likely unless Njoku would have gotten the first down with no additional yardage.
 
Its almost like Calloway missed a whole year of development in college.
 
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