Per Windy tweet: Chance Cavs will make roster move this week

Lyuokdea said:

Correct me if I'm wrong - but I don't think that's true....I thought if you used money "under the cap" you could not additionally use the MLE in the same year?

~Lyuokdea

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You are correct.

Only teams over the salary cap get the MLE.

The MLE is just an exception a team can use to sign a player if they are over the cap. If they are under the cap then they would not need the MLE and its value would just be added to a teams overall salary.

What is Joe Alexander's situation in Milwaukee? They are over the cap now and won't resign him - and I think they've held him from playing at all this year?

We'd probably be able to get a 2nd round pick along with him - though I don't know if it's worth giving up D.Jack for Alexander.... maybe we could wrestle away Luc Richard Mbah a Moute?

~Lyuokdea

Randolphkeys said:

Any thoughts on Rolando Balkman or Malik Allen in Denver? Neither player is in the rotation, and the organization could stand a financial break. Plus... I want to see Karl Jr. stay in the league.

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I've been thinking along the same lines - I think a guy like Balkman or Amundson, another tough energy guy could be useful depending on how a later trade rolls down. It'd be cool to trade Karl to the Nuggets too.

abraxas said:

I've been thinking along the same lines - I think a guy like Balkman or Amundson, another tough energy guy could be useful depending on how a later trade rolls down. It'd be cool to trade Karl to the Nuggets too.

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Balkman's shooting range is putrid, but Mike Brown would LOVE his perimeter defense off the bench. He has a long contract, but a fair contract.

Not to be a debbie downer, but i don't see this happening! Our "rivals" don't want to help us win a championship.

MikeyTuna said:

The MLE is just an exception a team can use to sign a player if they are over the cap. If they are under the cap then they would not need the MLE and its value would just be added to a teams overall salary.

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This is actually an interesting point that I have wondered about occasionally.

The salary cap is expected to fall in summer 2010 and depending on where it comes in, once LeBron resigns, the Cavs will have some capspace, but it might be less than the MLE. The MLE will likely decline a bit as well. For the sake of the argument, what if the Cavs have $5m of capspace left after LeBron resigns, but the MLE is calculated as $5.5m? Could the Cavs use the $5m in cap space and then use the MLE? Otherwise, the Cavs would be operating at a disadvantage. This is assuming the Cavs aren't resigning Shaq (or Z), of course, and if they do, then this is a moot point -- they will be over the cap and will have the MLE to work with. And it is also moot if the Cavs trade Z for a mulit-year salary commitment. It's also interesting to note, in the current context, if the Cavs trade, say, Jawad and Coby for Jason Smith, the $5m or so they would have in capspace would shrink to $3m...

My conclusion, which is hardly earth-shattering but still interesting...Based on their interest in converting their non-guaranteed contracts into another player, possibly with a multi-year contract, the Cavs are intending either (1) to resign Shaq (or Z); or (2) to trade Z.

In any event, the Cavs are clearly expecting to be over the salary cap at the end of the season after the contracts of Shaq and Z are off the books.

kovanovich said:

This is actually an interesting point that I have wondered about occasionally.

The salary cap is expected to fall in summer 2010 and depending on where it comes in, once LeBron resigns, the Cavs will have some capspace, but it might be less than the MLE. The MLE will likely decline a bit as well. For the sake of the argument, what if the Cavs have $5m of capspace left after LeBron resigns, but the MLE is calculated as $5.5m? Could the Cavs use the $5m in cap space and then use the MLE? Otherwise, the Cavs would be operating at a disadvantage. This is assuming the Cavs aren't resigning Shaq (or Z), of course, and if they do, then this is a moot point -- they will be over the cap and will have the MLE to work with. And it is also moot if the Cavs trade Z for a mulit-year salary commitment. It's also interesting to note, in the current context, if the Cavs trade, say, Jawad and Coby for Jason Smith, the $5m or so they would have in capspace would shrink to $3m...

My conclusion, which is hardly earth-shattering but still interesting...Based on their interest in converting their non-guaranteed contracts into another player, possibly with a multi-year contract, the Cavs are intending either (1) to resign Shaq (or Z); or (2) to trade Z.

In any event, the Cavs are clearly expecting to be over the salary cap at the end of the season after the contracts of Shaq and Z are off the books.

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So being under the cap does not necessarily mean a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $49.5 million, and a team has $43 million committed to salaries. They also have a Mid-Level exception for $5 million and a Traded Player exception for $5.5 million. Even though their salaries put them $6.5 million under the cap, their exceptions are added to their salaries, putting them at $53.5 million, or $4 million over the cap. So they actually have no cap room to sign free agents, and instead must use their exceptions.

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I believe the answer is no, based on the above quote from Larry Coon's Salary Cap FAQ

& P.S. - It's "re-sign" not "resign"......LeBron is not resigning as King of the court due to allegations of rape.

Every team gets a Mid-level exception.

If that team is under the cap, the exception counts against the cap unless they renounce it.

If they don't renounce it, it just counts against their cap number regardless of cap space.

The same goes for teams with TPE's that are under the cap.

For example, Miami will get a MLE this year, then they will proceed to renounce it to clear an additional 5.6 million in cap room.

Orlando will also get a mid-level exception, they will keep it, and they will have 5.6 million dollars to play with.

Say the Cavs have 3 million in cap room. We will keep the MLE and have 5.6 million to spend.

Say the Cavs have 7 million in cap room. We will likely renounce the MLE(assuming we have no other TPE's to worry about) and have 7 million to spend.

At least that's my understanding of the MLE.

InBoobieWeTrust said:

Every team gets a Mid-level exception.

If that team is under the cap, the exception counts against the cap unless they renounce it.

If they don't renounce it, it just counts against their cap number regardless of cap space.

The same goes for teams with TPE's that are under the cap.

For example, Miami will get a MLE this year, then they will proceed to renounce it to clear an additional 5.6 million in cap room.

Orlando will also get a mid-level exception, they will keep it, and they will have 5.6 million dollars to play with.

Say the Cavs have 3 million in cap room. We will keep the MLE and have 5.6 million to spend.

Say the Cavs have 7 million in cap room. We will likely renounce the MLE(assuming we have no other TPE's to worry about) and have 7 million to spend.

At least that's my understanding of the MLE.

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That's now my understanding as well. It's Larry Coon's FAQ #20, by the way:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q20

I just read something coming from a poster on a Suns forum over at realgm, that what he considered to be one of their reliable guys when it comes to trade information has said the Suns are trying to get a couple of the non guranteed contracts from the Cavs to cut them.

This is the post from the guy he considered to be reliable:

The Suns are still hot to cut non-guaranteed contracts from other teams to save money. We are competing with two teams at the moment for some of the Cav's non-guaranteed.

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But this is the internet, so I would take it with a grain of salt ofcourse. Could be just someone spitting our garbage, Im trying to research the source a little more but I'm not putting a whole lot of stock in it. Be nice if we really did have a couple teams competing for our contracts, could mean someone throwing in a nice pick to beat out other teams.

ChocolateButter said:

I just read something coming from a poster on a Suns forum over at realgm, that what he considered to be one of their reliable guys when it comes to trade information has said the Suns are trying to get a couple of the non guranteed contracts from the Cavs to cut them.

This is the post from the guy he considered to be reliable:



But this is the internet, so I would take it with a grain of salt ofcourse. Could be just someone spitting our garbage, Im trying to research the source a little more but I'm not putting a whole lot of stock in it. Be nice if we really did have a couple teams competing for our contracts, could mean someone throwing in a nice pick to beat out other teams.

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The Suns are interesting for a few reasons.

Channing Frye would be great(though I doubt it's him)

I'd also love Jared Dudley. Dude is really playing good this year. Money from three, good defender. Perpetual energy.

Robin Lopez is a guy I'm not too high on, but he's a young 7 footer and with Shaq and Z not being young anymore, not a terrible pick-up for nothing.

Earl Clark is the final guy. I love his game, his body, his skills. But he's really struggled in the NBA so far. He really needs to be developed from the ground up, but he is uber-talented. He needs a jump-shot and confidence in his game. He's got a skill-set to be a Lamar Odom-type player with maybe a little less ability to play down low.

People should know by now what players would fit on the Cavaliers and if someone who isn't a young player who has played for a while can play or not . Don't the "excitement" of a rumor cloud the obvious.

That post from the Suns board was from 7pm Tuesday so I would assume any talks going on would still be active if it were true.

Jared Dudley is a guy I am pretty sure I have heard Danny Ferry linked to liking before. Can't remember where, but I remember hearing his name mentioned at some point. I'll try to find it, could be wrong.

Robin Lopez is the name everyone keeps bringing up on their board. Wouldn't mind him for some extra bench depth, but I would hope we would atleast get a pick out of it with him. With Phx's history, I don't think we would have to twist their arm to much to get them to throw a pick into a deal. They've plenty of 1st rounders off for straight up cash .

MYoung23 said:

People should know by now what players would fit on the Cavaliers and if someone who isn't a young player who hasn't played much can play or not . Don't the "excitement" of a rumor cloud the obvious.

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Yep.

I bet Channing Frye and Jared Dudley are the two guys Ferry is trying to get ahold of.

Both can shoot the basketball and have been linked to Ferry in the past.