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It's Friday the 13th, and you know what this means guys. The Raptors and the Heat are playing.
 
The San Antonio Spurs were eliminated before they had a chance to face the Warriors for the West title. What do they do now?

Is Kevin Durant a future Spur? Can Mike Conley be the answer at point guard? Should Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili retire?

Our NBA Insiders debate the future of the Spurs.


1. What do you foresee and advise for the Spurs this offseason?
Tom Haberstroh, ESPN Insider: I think they roll the dice again and bring the band back together just one more time. Duncan and Ginobili could retire, but my sense is that they feel they can still play with the Spurs' sports science staff. They might pull a David West and play for the minimum to help the cause.


Disappointing end for Spurs, but future bright
A 67-win regular season petered out in Game 6 of the West semis, but despite uncertainty surrounding key veterans, the Spurs' title window remains open.


  • Tim and Manu still too great to retire
    With Tim Duncan at age 40 and Manu Ginobili 38, there's talk that it might be time for the Spurs legends to hang 'em up. But the numbers say they shouldn't just yet.


Amin Elhassan, ESPN Insider: Backcourt help has to be high on the to-do list. Both Tony Parker and Ginobili have shown the effects of aging, and it's tough to watch Cory Joseph during these playoffs and not kind of wish he was still a Spur. That, of course, assumes that a Durant acquisition is not a possibility.

Kevin Arnovitz, ESPN.com: San Antonio needs an infusion of youth. These don't have to be second-year players, but their career trajectories should ideally fall somewhere between Kawhi Leonard and LaMarcus Aldridge, as the franchise transitions to the Leonard era.

David Thorpe, ESPN Insider: There's no chance I'm advising Spurs general manager R.C. Buford of anything -- he knows what he is doing. They'll be smart, adding an athlete or two. Kyle Anderson isn't an athlete, but he is a keeper. Jonathon Simmons is an interesting guy for them next year too. I'd bet they will look for more shooters to surround Kawhi and Aldridge.

Kevin Pelton, ESPN Insider: I don't know that the Spurs will overreact to the way they lost. We saw a far bigger upset in the 2011 first round against eighth-seeded Memphis, and while San Antonio did make a relatively big trade (George Hill for the pick used on Leonard), that move was actually long-term in nature. But I do think the Spurs will attempt to add athleticism, especially if Duncan and Ginobili retire and open up a modest amount of cap space.

Russell Westbrook go somewhere together or just stay in OKC and try to compete with the Warriors, as they're about to do in the West finals.

Pelton: Faction. It's hard to imagine Durant leaving for the team his Thunder just defeated, but if he re-signs for a one-year deal with a player option and Westbrook leaves in the summer of 2017, playing in San Antonio might seem like a better option then. That possibility passes my "any chance?" rule.

Haberstroh: Sure, why not? He went to college nearby and wants to win. That was enough for Aldridge last summer and I could see them pitching stability from the top down. Does KD go for it? I don't think so. My guess is if he leaves he goes east.

3. Fact or fiction: In terms of basketball decisions, Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili should retire.
Pelton: Fiction. As Jerry Engelmann argued, both players are still certainly good enough to help the Spurs. In that case, I don't see a compelling basketball reason that should suggest retirement is necessary.

Elhassan: Fiction. They both can provide value on the floor and in the locker room, but their roles should continue to be reduced.

Thorpe: Fact. Duncan has never looked older. His nimbleness is gone on both ends of the court. Sure, his mind and size mean he can be of value to a team, but will he want to just hang on? Manu is in a similar boat. He can bring value but to just be a rotation guy, still at risk to even more injuries, is cruel. Leaving after this series (following a 67-win season) is not the perfect way to retire, but for these two huge ring winners, it's good enough.

Haberstroh: Fiction. Duncan was one of the best defenders in the league, and Ginobili remains one of the best bench creators in the sport. They have the ability, but maybe they just join the team later in the season to preserve the legs.

Arnovitz: In basketball terms, probably. But it's unseemly for anyone to tell a grown professional when and why they should stop working.

Marc Gasol gets healthy, he might be interested in asking for an opportunity to rejoin Conley in San Antonio, assuming there is a workable trade.

Pelton: Parker, because barring mutual interest from Conley there's no realistic way to add a starting point guard. But the real question is who fills that role in a couple of years when Parker's contract is up. While this year's draft isn't particularly deep in point guards who will surely be starters in the NBA, there are a number of interesting players like Wade Baldwin who project as backups with the upside of becoming starters. I'd like to see San Antonio take one of those players.

Haberstroh: Parker. He was far better this season than I expected after his playoff run and uneven international play. Mills is perfect in his role.


5. Fact or fiction: Before he retires, Gregg Popovich will win one for the other ring finger.
Arnovitz: Fact. Pop has always said that basketball is only basketball, and as competitive as he is, he just doesn't seem like the kind of person who will base a retirement decision on whether that finger gets fitted for a ring. That said, the Spurs are probably in position to nab another title in, say, the next five years, especially if they can lure another impact player in free agency.

Elhassan: Fiction. I really question how much longer Pop will coach after the Duncan era ends, and it doesn't look as if Golden State is going to slow down anytime soon.

Haberstroh: Fact. He just won 67 games and coaches an MVP-in-waiting in Leonard, who very quickly is eliminating every weakness in his game. I think he'll hang it up when he's ready and Leonard's peak is worth waiting for.

Thorpe: Fact. Kawhi and Aldridge are a fantastic tandem to begin again with. Whether it's Gasol, Dwight Howard or a player to be named, they will find their key guys to make more runs. Nobody learns from losing better than Popovich.

Pelton: Fiction. That one definitely passes the "any chance" rule, but I'd put the odds of another Spurs title in Pop's run at less than 50 percent. Barring adding another star via free agency, it's hard to see how San Antonio stays at this level over the next couple of seasons, let alone improves. Of course, the Spurs have proved us wrong before. I remember writing about how their run had surely peaked after a disappointing playoff loss to a younger, more talented opponent (the L.A. Lakers in the conference finals ... eight years ago).
 
I would prefer Toronto winning. Not only does it mean no Wade/Lebron debacle of Media but travel is also shorter as Toronto is closer than Miami.
 
Would much rather our guys play Toronto and not even be in Miami whatsoever to play.

That city sucks you in, and I don't know if guys like Kyrie, JR, and Shump can avoid partying while being down there.
 
Would much rather our guys play Toronto and not even be in Miami whatsoever to play.

That city sucks you in, and I don't know if guys like Kyrie, JR, and Shump can avoid partying while being down there.
If Miami is going to suck in Kyrie and JR, what's San Francisco going to do to them???:chuckle:

@Randolphkeys
I know SF is 20 mins from Oakland, but Oakland doesn't work for this joke.
 
If Miami is going to suck in Kyrie and JR, what's San Francisco going to do to them???:chuckle:

@Randolphkeysjoke.

Having been both places, I'd say it's just not comparable; especially this time of year.

I lived in Miami.. Getting ass is like going to the grocery store, and that's just for a regular brotha from Cleveland.. Being an NBA player and multi-millionaire? Hoes and thirstbots are going to be blowing them UP on social media/DMs slinging it something tough.
 
Damn. Dwight in full public image repair mode:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15596878/dwight-howard-qa-superman-returns
ESPN: You mentioned your season in Houston didn't end the way you wanted. You have also admitted you were "disinterested" during parts of the year. Why was that?

Howard: "There were times I was disinterested because of situations that happened behind the scenes that really hurt me. It left me thinking, 'This is not what I signed up for.'''

ESPN: What specifically are you referring to?

Howard: "I felt like my role was being reduced. I went to [Rockets general manager] Daryl [Morey] and said, 'I want to be more involved.' Daryl said, 'No, we don't want you to be.' My response was, 'Why not? Why am I here?' It was shocking to me that it came from him instead of our coach. So I said to him, 'No disrespect to what you do, but you've never played the game. I've been in this game a long time. I know what it takes to be effective.'''

[Morey declined comment.]

ESPN: Some of your teammates in Houston didn't appreciate your "disinterest.'' Any regrets on how you handled it?

Howard: "My friends kept telling me, 'Even if you aren't getting shots, there are so many other things you can control while you are on the floor.' And they were right. I allowed not getting the ball to affect me. That's on me.

ESPN: Your relationship with Harden seems to have deteriorated along with the team's performance this season. What happened?

Howard: "I don't know. ... I want to figure that out, too. I've been trying to wrap my mind around this season, what went wrong, and sometimes you can allow outside things to interrupt the circle. That probably happened with us.''

ESPN: You have a reputation of being a little thin-skinned. How hard is it for you not to be affected by what people say about you?

Howard: "It bothers me when I hear certain things. Like when people call me a 'cancer.' I know I'm not that person. I want my team to be close. I'm pushing for my team to be together. When I was in Orlando and we went to the Finals [in 2009], we had so much chemistry. We were always together. When I got to L.A. [with the Lakers in 2012], they told me, 'You don't need team chemistry. You just need to be able to play basketball together.' So which is it? It's confusing.''

ESPN: You could have signed a new deal to stay with the Lakers. Why didn't you?

Howard: "I just felt like it wasn't a team. I wanted a team. There were things that went on during the season that made me feel like I wasn't a part of it, like the thing with Kobe and my shoulder. People were saying, 'Dwight's so strong, he's Superman, he should play through it.' It was a torn labrum. I should have had surgery, but I didn't. I came back instead.

"I'll never forget the game we played against the Celtics in Boston [on Feb. 7, 2013]. I hadn't practiced for a while -- I had just been working on the treadmill. But I played in Boston. We got blown out. Coach [Mike D'Antoni] still had me in when we were down 30. After the game, I'm walking off the court and a Lakers fan throws his jersey and hits me in the face. It was my name on that jersey. I will never forget that the rest of my life."

ESPN: Did you ask management to fire Stan Van Gundy?

Howard: "The backstory is that months before that, before the [2011] lockout, I had a conversation with Magic owner Rich DeVos. They flew me out on a private plane to Michigan. I was talking to him about how we could grow the team. When I first got to Orlando, he called us the Orlando "Tragic" and I hated it. I wanted to talk to him about how we could grow our team. I was saying, 'Let's have Magic cereal, Magic vitamins with our players' faces on it so they can get to know our team.' In the course of our conversation, we started talking about what's going on with our team.''

ESPN: What did you say about Stan in that meeting?

Howard: "I told Rich the truth. I told him, 'I love Stan. I think he's done a great job, but I think he's lost his voice in the locker room.' It wasn't, 'Hey, I want Stan fired or else.' I was never upset with Stan at any point. It wasn't anything personal against Stan. He knows that. It's just over the past couple of years I could see a lot of the guys had lost their faith in him.''

ESPN: How long before the public comments from Stan saying you wanted him gone was your meeting with DeVos?

Howard: "Oh, it was months before. In late June, just before the lockout.''

ESPN: So why did you decide you wanted to be traded [from Orlando]?

Howard: "Right after the lockout ended, in December, I went to GM Otis Smith. But before that, I called Jameer Nelson and told him I was going to ask for a trade. I told him, 'This has nothing to do with you, Stan or anyone else. I just want a different atmosphere. I'm too comfortable here. I need to grow.'"

I don't know how

"I want my team to be close. I'm pushing for my team to be together. When I was in Orlando and we went to the Finals [in 2009], we had so much chemistry. We were always together,"

and

"I just want a different atmosphere. I'm too comfortable here. I need to grow,"

make sense.
 
Damn. Dwight in full public image repair mode:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15596878/dwight-howard-qa-superman-returns














I don't know how

"I want my team to be close. I'm pushing for my team to be together. When I was in Orlando and we went to the Finals [in 2009], we had so much chemistry. We were always together,"

and

"I just want a different atmosphere. I'm too comfortable here. I need to grow,"

make sense.

Hey, there's gotta be one team with cap space he can trick into giving him big money, right? :chuckle:
 
Hey, there's gotta be one team with cap space he can trick into giving him big money, right? :chuckle:
possibly by showing them i highlight reel from 2009?
 
Damn. Dwight in full public image repair mode:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15596878/dwight-howard-qa-superman-returns














I don't know how

"I want my team to be close. I'm pushing for my team to be together. When I was in Orlando and we went to the Finals [in 2009], we had so much chemistry. We were always together,"

and

"I just want a different atmosphere. I'm too comfortable here. I need to grow,"

make sense.
When Dwight says that '09 team had so much chemistry, he was talking about the vials of HGH they were all injecting.
 
When Dwight says that '09 team had so much chemistry, he was talking about the vials of HGH they were all injecting.
He talking about this 09 team?

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/03/07/morning-shootaround-march-7/#magic

Former Magic forward Rashard Lewis called Dwight Howard’s recent comments about his former Magic teammates “disrespectful” and defended Jameer Nelson, once one of Howard’s closest friends.

Howard told a CBS affiliate in L.A. that “my team in Orlando was a team full of people who nobody wanted, and I was the leader and I led that team with a smile on my face.”

Howard, Lewis and Nelson were on the Magic team that defied odds and reached the NBA Finals in 2009.

“It’s disrespectful more than anything. We helped Dwight become the player he was,” said Lewis, who signed this summer with the Miami Heat, which faced the Magic on Wednesday night.

“We made a good run. Hell, look at those (conference and division) banners hanging in the stands. They don’t say Dwight Howard on them…”

Nelson said after shootaround that he was disappointed in Howard’s professionalism.

“At some point, when are you a gonna as a man, when are you going to take ownership and stay out of the media in a professional manner,” Nelson told the Sentinel.

“I would be less of a man to comment on certain things that people comment on about me and my teammates. We had a great run as a group, as core guys, and he was a part of it (reaching the 2009 Finals) and for him to say things about anybody in a negative manner, that’s up to him.”



Nelson and Howard were close, drafted together in the first round in 2004.

But their relationship eroded after Howard said before he was traded to the Lakers last summer that he would love to play with some of the league’s elite point guards, such as Chris Paul.

Former Magic General Manager Otis Smith said that Howard “threw Jameer under the bus.”

Said Lewis, “Everybody on that team was very close friends. Not only that, but Jameer Nelson, out of all people. I don’t care. I got thick skin. That stuff bounces off me…but him and Jameer are supposed to be best friends.

“Jameer kept his mouth shut for a long time..you hear him (Dwight) say stuff like Chauncey Billups, Chris Paul, this guy, that guy and Jameer Nelson is the one who took us to the Finals, who helped, even though he got injured.”
 

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