2017-2018 Boston Celtics: No Irving! No Hayward! No Brooklyn Pick!

[gourimoko]

At this point gouri, in all seriousness, Cavs need a backup PG. I'll even take Rio now, he shot his best from 3 while with LeBron, he can get you around 4 assist as well.

Rondo is a dream anyways. Well 2 dreams in 1. The 2 being he comes here, and is an disciplined grade A student.

I'm becoming tired of the D-Leaguers of Kay, McRae, and Liggs. Liggs can stay, but we need a few guys.

I'm looking at D. Rose getting a midseason buyout and coming here to mope...

He'll be owed something like $9M around the deadline? Knicks give him $4.5M and he gets to walk to a contender for the vet min to make up some of the difference?

Vet min is what $1.5M? He'd also earn some money for every playoff game right? He might come close to breaking even..

 

[Real Deal]

Rondo is a fucking bum. I had to deal with the false hope among kings fans last year. He hasn't been good in years and burns every bridge he crosses.

He just averaged his career high in assists last season. I know, I know, where did that get him, right?

Still, he blows past his guy, and creates an assist.

I don't even care about Rondo anymore, I want a fucking point guard this team can rest on for 15 minutes. Kay isn't providing shit.

 

[Wrathe]

So something I wonder about:

If Lebron doesn't come back, is Kyrie walking the same path he's on now, or one that looks more like Derrick Rose?

Now, I want to qualify, that's not intended to diss Kyrie at all. It's really more a statement of what Rose has become. A lot of injury disappointment w/ him, but really, the head game is a bigger issue it seems.

I love seeing the growth in Kyrie's game, especially this year where he's taking it to another level. If the ball movement clinic he put on this last month sticks...well, that's kinda my wet dream.

 

[gourimoko]

And we know you'll always be here to point out when he needs to...so thanks for that.

 

[Taiter]

The best thing is to wait for the next game where Irving comes out and embarrasses anyone who ventured out their hate... Happens every single time.... every time.

I think one of the things that baffles and frustrates people is that they think he has the talent to be something he isn't now: a consistent impact player who should be ready to assume leadership of a good team. I thought he was really turning a corner recently on the ball distribution, which was a major step, but that engine has started sputtering again. He is looking for his teammates more than he used to, but not with anywhere near elite consistency, and if his shot is off he's not making an impact in other areas of the game, at least in the regular season.

There's no 2nd fiddle I want more on the floor in the playoffs, and maybe the guy's ceiling is as an elite complement to Lebron and a playoff monster. That's where he is now.

We'll have to see, but I think for now people just have to accept Irving for what he currently is... a great but flawed player.

 

[gourimoko]

There's always an excuse. How about he just needs to play better?

Not sure how on Earth you just watched that game and said to yourself; this one is on Irving.. He had a bad game, but to say "he just needs to play better" while he's having the best year of his career and just came off one of the best months of his career is a weird fucking statement.

 

[TyGuy]

So something I wonder about:

If Lebron doesn't come back, is Kyrie walking the same path he's on now, or one that looks more like Derrick Rose?

Now, I want to qualify, that's not intended to diss Kyrie at all. It's really more a statement of what Rose has become. A lot of injury disappointment w/ him, but really, the head game is a bigger issue it seems.

I love seeing the growth in Kyrie's game, especially this year where he's taking it to another level. If the ball movement clinic he put on this last month sticks...well, that's kinda my wet dream.

Nice way of treading lightly around the Kyrie brigade. A month is pretty generous for that play. I too would like to see the guy that looked like Chris Paul for a week for an entire season.

If not he needs to score at like a .63 ts clip to make up for how bad his defense is.

 

[TyGuy]

I think one of the things that baffles and frustrates people is that they think he has the talent to be something he isn't now: a consistent impact player who should be ready to assume leadership of a good team. I thought he was really turning a corner recently on the ball distribution, which was a major step, but that engine has started sputtering again. He is looking for his teammates more than he used to, but not with anywhere near elite consistency, and if his shot is off he's not making an impact in other areas of the game, at least in the regular season.

There's no 2nd fiddle I want more on the floor in the playoffs, and maybe the guy's ceiling is as an elite complement to Lebron and a playoff monster. That's where he is now.

We'll have to see, but I think for now people just have to accept Irving for what he currently is... a great but flawed player.

I want to know where this group of haters are here that have to be shut up after a good game. Am I not here to praise him every time he plays well?

Nobody here hates him or wants him to fail. They want him to be as good as a lot of people say he is.

 

[BimboColesHair]

I want to know where this group of haters are here that have to be shut up after a good game. Am I not here to praise him every time he plays well?

Nobody here hates him or wants him to fail. They want him to be as good as a lot of people say he is.

Don't get me wrong...I'm all for constructive criticism about a player, and don't mind breaking down Kyrie's weaknesses.

What I do mind, and this is the worst thing about sports/sports fans IMO, is single game/small sample size overreactions.

The reason people view you as a hater isn't because you criticize him, its the disproportionate amount that you criticize him, most of which comes as a single game/small sample size overreaction, a la what you are doing right now.

I don't view that as you "hating" per se...but I can see why some may think that of you after dealing with similar things from certain posters in the Love thread the past few years.

 

[Rich]

We always make excuses and dismiss criticism from outside sources as trolling. Is there really an axe to grind with these writers, or maybe there is some truth to what they're saying?

A superstar or a future MVP candidate doesn't have this many stinkers and doesn't fail to have such a low impact when he can't score.

He's not a future MVP candidate.

He's a really talented, clutch scorer who gets cold sometimes. He's not gonna defend at a high level most of the time, and he's not gonna be an elite passer.

We're in year 6 now.

 

[Tlyons]

Am I not here to praise him every time he plays well?

Yea you make a very brief appearance after good games

Nah but seriously he'll be fine.

 

[Joe Henderson]

This has been going on for ~3 weeks now, if you've listened to Ty Lue's pressers the last few weeks...

Yeah, they've been hurting for a while. Did practice after the Phoenix game, though for example, so it's not like they never do. The Cavs are clearly very much into managing health and workload. If this helps keep them fresh for the playoffs, then why not?

 

[TyGuy]

Yea you make a very brief appearance after good games

Nah but seriously he'll be fine.

That's bull shit and you know it.

 

[godfather]

There's always an excuse. How about he just needs to play better?

Is this hot take central? Yeah, he needs to play better. But does this single game define Kyrie as a player now?

He wasn't good tonight. Neither was anyone. Dog Days of the regular season. There's going to be ugly night's. I think you forget it and move on.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Yeah, they've been hurting for a while. Did practice after the Phoenix game, though for example, so it's not like they never do. The Cavs are clearly very much into managing health and workload. If this helps keep them fresh for the playoffs, then why not?

They didn't.

Lloyd just said they haven't practiced since December 28th tonight. Guessing the scheduled practice in PHX before going to Utah was cancelled once it became clear the Korver trade wasn't going to be finalized on time.

And I'm just saying...there's been a heightened level of sloppy play on offense as a team the last few weeks that we haven't seen since year 1 with this group...assists are down, turnovers are up, FG% is down...when I hear "we don't practice, we do defensive walkthroughs" from our coach multiple times over the course of a few weeks and then see those recent results offensively, that's the first thing that popped into my head.

The hope is, following the trade for Korver, is that the next few practices will be heavy on the offensive side to get him incorporated. That should benefit the entire team as much as it will Korver.