2017-2018 Boston Celtics: No Irving! No Hayward! No Brooklyn Pick!

[sailfish]

Bradley/Drummond hands down.

Yes x1000.

 

[brownsbuck6]

Curry is a very good defender for a point guard.

Curry is a better player quite clearly but this right here is a ridiculous statement.

 

[The Red Viper]

If you could pick only one of these bigs...which one.
Whiteside
Drummond
Jordan

If you could pick only one of these guards...which one.
Dragic
Beverly
Bradley

If you could pick only one of these combos...which one.
Beverly/Jordan
Bradley/Drummond
Dragic Whiteside

Bigs:- Whiteside, DeAndre, Drummond. In that order.

Guards:- Dragic, Bradley, Beverly. In that order.

Combos:-

Dragic/Whiteside
Beverly/Jordan.
Bradley/Drummond.

In that order.

 

[wremy]

Bev and Jordan just because it gives us a great on ball defender and rim protector

Love Bradley but Drummond isn't a rim protector and makes DJ look like Mark Price from the line

Dragic can't guard anyone ... Do really like Whiteside though

 

[6.19.2016]

Again we were a few blown calls and bad transition defensive from winning game 3....I think we would have won game 6...

But I do get the idea of just trying something different and hoping it works. Previously my hope was that Kyrie would just elevate his game to another level and maybe we'd get Melo or Wade in a buyout.

Even if we "should've" won game 3, I don't think Game 6 is much better than a 50-50 shot.

 

[UltraRadical-CavFanatical]

I try to avoid overly pro-warrior posts these days, but... Curry averaged 8.0 rebounds per game in the finals, along with 2.2 steals. In game 3, no one on either team had more rebounds than Curry (K.Love tied him at 13)

K.Love had a monster rebound game in game 1, but if you just look at games 2,3,4,5 (skip game 1) Curry and K.Love were essentially identical rebounders for the rest of the series. (35 to 34)

K.Irving averaged essentially 1/2 as many rebounds, 1/2 as many steals. (while averaging 1/2 as many assists, but 2.6 more pts per game)

Small sample sizes, sure, but I wouldn't label Curry as "no defense". That would be a pretty harsh criticism of the Cavs rebounding and ball handling. (or, I suppose, against the refs 'allowing curry to get away with anything to jack up his stats?' for the steals)

I certainly don't mean this as trolling. I am just offering a perspective. I believe Irving -can- play defense as well as Curry, but he seemingly decided not to, in the finals, and I have no idea what that means or implies.

It depends on what else comes with that package... I still think Phoenix can outbid any of those teams by simply giving up Josh Jackson and throwing in Tyson Chandler. My #1 package is still Josh Jackson/Bledsoe/Chandler... that takes care of all our needs... We need a defensive center, a defensive PG and a defensive, young wing. No other team can really offer that when you think about it. Detroit is the only team other than Phoenix who can even come close, and that's only if they offer a package of Drummond/Bradley/Johnson. The ball is in the Suns' court. A trade of Kyrie/Shump + filler/s in exchange for Jackson/Bledsoe/Chandler gets it done tomorrow.

 

[Gus Zing]

Even if we "should've" won game 3, I don't think Game 6 is much better than a 50-50 shot.

My point is talent wise we can go 6 games with the Warriors as currently constructed. Before Kyrie's trade demands the hope was he would elevate his game to another level and get us closer to actually beating the Warriors.

 

[6.19.2016]

My point is talent wise we can go 6 games with the Warriors as currently constructed. Before Kyrie's trade demands the hope was he would elevate his game to another level and get us closer to actually beating the Warriors.

Agree on your other point that I think we can only "elevate" internally with last year's roster so far, and any options up to and including trading Love and Irving have to remain on the table.

Rose and Green move the needle a bit, but there's still a lot of ground to make up to compensate for Durant, even if our first 4 finals games we were technically "ahead" of where we were the year before points-wise, that doesn't account for the remainder of the series, or the fact that you never want to be that far behind the 8-ball to begin with.

 

[TheCity]

I try to avoid overly pro-warrior posts these days, but... Curry averaged 8.0 rebounds per game in the finals, along with 2.2 steals. In game 3, no one on either team had more rebounds than Curry (K.Love tied him at 13)

K.Love had a monster rebound game in game 1, but if you just look at games 2,3,4,5 (skip game 1) Curry and K.Love were essentially identical rebounders for the rest of the series. (35 to 34)

K.Irving averaged essentially 1/2 as many rebounds, 1/2 as many steals. (while averaging 1/2 as many assists, but 2.6 more pts per game)

Small sample sizes, sure, but I wouldn't label Curry as "no defense". That would be a pretty harsh criticism of the Cavs rebounding and ball handling. (or, I suppose, against the refs 'allowing curry to get away with anything to jack up his stats?' for the steals)

I certainly don't mean this as trolling. I am just offering a perspective. I believe Irving -can- play defense as well as Curry, but he seemingly decided not to, in the finals, and I have no idea what that means or implies.

Small sample size and a aberration that Curry would out rebound TT in a series.

Irving: 21pts per game, 3.4 rebs, 5.6 assist over his career

Curry: 22pts, 4.4 rebs, 6.8 assist

Interchangeable, put Curry on the cavs, we still lose in 5.

Put Irving on the warriors, they do not miss a beat.

 

[Kizzle]

It depends on what else comes with that package... I still think Phoenix can outbid any of those teams by simply giving up Josh Jackson and throwing in Tyson Chandler. My #1 package is still Josh Jackson/Bledsoe/Chandler... that takes care of all our needs... We need a defensive center, a defensive PG and a defensive, young wing. No other team can really offer that when you think about it. Detroit is the only team other than Phoenix who can even come close, and that's only if they offer a package of Drummond/Bradley/Johnson. The ball is in the Suns' court. A trade of Kyrie/Shump + filler/s in exchange for Jackson/Bledsoe/Chandler gets it done tomorrow.

You are overvaluing Tyson Chandler. For us to absorb that contract I want Chriss as well or another first round pick. Tyson would be unplayable VS GS and we already have a full roster of guys not versatile enough to play VS GS

 

[Snarly]

Small sample size and a aberration that Curry would out rebound TT in a series.

Irving: 21pts per game, 3.4 rebs, 5.6 assist over his career

Curry: 22pts, 4.4 rebs, 6.8 assist

Interchangeable, put Curry on the cavs, we still lose in 5.

Put Irving on the warriors, they do not miss a beat.

Curry almost 30.
Kyrie barley 25.

Guess why people pick Curry over Kyrie, He actually tries on defense. If we traded Curry for Kyrie I feel with a healthy Rose we would kill the GS. Kyrie is fools gold, and maybe this whole thing was to get him to give a fuck again.

 

[The Red Viper]

Bev and Jordan just because it gives us a great on ball defender and rim protector

Love Bradley but Drummond isn't a rim protector and makes DJ look like Mark Price from the line

Dragic can't guard anyone ... Do really like Whiteside though

Dragic is ok defensively. The thing is, as important as defense is against the Warriors, we also need the playmaking as well against them. LeBron as the lone playmaker against the Warriors would ultimately fall short. Thats where having someone like Dragic would vital!

Not only is he a very good playmaker and a very effecient scorer, but is a very shooter as well. Can play off the ball, as well as be the primary playmaker when LeBron sits.

 

[Snarly]

Dragic is ok defensively. The thing is, as important as defense is against the Warriors, we also need the playmaking as well against them. LeBron as the lone playmaker against the Warriors would ultimately fall short. Thats where having someone like Dragic would vital!

Not only is he a very good playmaker and a very effecient scorer, but is a very shooter as well. Can play off the ball, as well as be the primary playmaker when LeBron sits.

Dragic and Rose would be something to watch... I agree get Whiteside and Dragic and there is a deal there. We would have to give up Osman thought no doubt.

 

[Pjlea28]

Dragic and Rose would be something to watch... I agree get Whiteside and Dragic and there is a deal there. We would have to give up Osman thought no doubt.

Can't trade Osman until Weds. - thinking that may be holding a deal up (?)

 

[Pjlea28]

Also can't trade A. Bradley with another play until 9-7 - same for P. Beverly 8-27. Both of these restrictions could be holding up a possible trade.