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2017 College Football Season/Playoff Thread

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Chris said:
I think we can all agree a tighter more defined criteria is required for this thing. Personally I like the 6 team idea with five Power 5 champs being in, but that’s a century away from being a possibility for all intents and purposes.

Awful, though. What we got this year is bad.
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There’s such a simple solution, which I actually think will be implemented sooner than later.

There is zero need for conference divisions. You remove all conference divisions. Each conference plays 9 league games, and schedules 3 OOC games.

Conference schedule just gets put on yearly rotation, with one “rival” game that is scheduled every year (OSU-Michigan for example).

At end of season, based on computer rankings (or potentially some type of committee) #1 plays #2 in each conference championsip.

Only conference championship winners are eligible for playoff. You’d have 5 Power 5 winners, all the G5 winners, then Notre Dame and remaining independents.

The best 4 teams are picked. It makes the conference championship basically a playoff game, the best two teams in each conference actually play each other (ridiculous Georgia/Bama weren’t in SEC championship for example) and it eliminates multiple teams from one conference.

Conference divisions should be eliminated ASAP. They’re bullshit and unfair. SEC East has been brutal. Big 10 west has sucked. In the ACC you have FSU and Clemson regularly dominating conference.

The divisions just seem silly. Two best teams deserve to be in conference championship. Not some team that got lucky to be in championship bc they’re on the shitty side of the league.
 
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and even the OHSAA has this stuff figured out.

One of the stupidest little joys I had in High School was my senior and junior year trying to figure out how "Joe Eitel" was going to rate our team, who we'd play, etc. (I WILL argue that it would be far better for public schools if they had their own tourney and the private schools had their own, but that's for another time)

Again...there's two routes the sport could go down. The above or just going back to the "classic" method.

Because this does suck. The only people that are happy right now are the jack offs who love the "S-E-C" chant, Alabama fans, Georgia fans, and ESPN. That's it.
 
My school beat the team (Auburn) that beat the two teams in the "natnl championship" (Alabama, Georgia). Therefore, due to the transitive property of Algebra, my school is the national champs! :alc:
 
billmac91 said:
There’s such a simple solution, which I actually think will be implemented sooner than later.

There is zero need for conference divisions. You remove all conference divisions. Each conference plays 9 league games, and schedules 3 OOC games.

Conference schedule just gets put on yearly rotation, with one “rival” game that is scheduled every year (OSU-Michigan for example).

At end of season, based on computer rankings (or potentially some type of committee) #1 plays #2 in each conference championsip.

Only conference championship winners are eligible for playoff. You’d have 5 Power 5 winners, all the G5 winners, then Notre Dame and remaining independents.

The best 4 teams are picked. It makes the conference championship basically a playoff game, the best two teams in each conference actually play each other (ridiculous Georgia/Bama weren’t in SEC championship for example) and it eliminates multiple teams from one conference.

Conference divisions should be eliminated ASAP. They’re bullshit and unfair. SEC East has been brutal. Big 10 west has sucked. In the ACC you have FSU and Clemson regularly dominating conference.

The divisions just seem silly. Two best teams deserve to be in conference championship. Not some team that got lucky to be in championship bc they’re on the shitty side of the league.
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Yep. Been saying this from the beginning of the CFP era. Divisions are making this system impossible to work.

But personally, I wouldn't say only conference championship winners are eligible for the playoff...but I'd say you have to at least make your conference championship to be eligible for the playoff...that way, if a 12-0 team loses a close game, they could still make the playoff as one of the 4 best teams. But, if you aren't even a top 2 team in your conference, you can't be in the playoff, period.

This is just so simple. It makes the conference championship bids fair, makes it easier on the committee and also gives the committee some fucking rules to follow.

Why the fuck can't this be a thing? Why can't anyone push for this "reform" ? Fans on the internet can't possibly be the only ones who see it...it is so fucking obvious.
 
RG said:
Yep. Been saying this from the beginning of the CFP era. Divisions are making this system impossible to work.

But personally, I wouldn't say only conference championship winners are eligible for the playoff...but I'd say you have to at least make your conference championship to be eligible for the playoff...that way, if a 12-0 team loses a close game, they could still make the playoff as one of the 4 best teams. But, if you aren't even a top 2 team in your conference, you can't be in the playoff, period.

This is just so simple. It makes the conference championship bids fair, makes it easier on the committee and also gives the committee some fucking rules to follow.

Why the fuck can't this be a thing? Why can't anyone push for this "reform" ? Fans on the internet can't possibly be the only ones who see it...it is so fucking obvious.
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I agree with this 100%. Make the conference put the two best teams in the conference champ game, you then pick 4 of the 5 winners. If you are not good enough to be top 2 in your conference then you don't deserve to play for a NC.

OR just make it a 6 or 8 team playoff.

Round 1 week after conference champ week (top 4 seeds get home games) Conference Champs, (5), top non power 5 school (1) 2 at large.
 
I mean, I understand the whole process is a joke compared to playoffs in other sports. In the NFL, the best team doesn't always win the Super Bowl, but the Super Bowl champion earned it. College football tries to award the title to the best team, which isn't possible to do without subjectivity and politics and pissing people off. But it's what they want to do.

And while I think the two best teams played in the Sugar Bowl already, I don't think any of the other bowls made a credible argument that the best team wasn't already in the playoff. Central Florida is the team that could make a case, but subjectively, I doubt they would keep it within four touchdowns against Alabama giving Saban a month to prepare. Other than that, no one really stood out.
 
OptimusPrime said:
I mean, I understand the whole process is a joke compared to playoffs in other sports. In the NFL, the best team doesn't always win the Super Bowl, but the Super Bowl champion earned it. College football tries to award the title to the best team, which isn't possible to do without subjectivity and politics and pissing people off. But it's what they want to do.

And while I think the two best teams played in the Sugar Bowl already, I don't think any of the other bowls made a credible argument that the best team wasn't already in the playoff. Central Florida is the team that could make a case, but subjectively, I doubt they would keep it within four touchdowns against Alabama giving Saban a month to prepare. Other than that, no one really stood out.
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The 1987 Fiesta Bowl.

A great concept at the time, and one that actually created a great matchup, a great storyline, etc.

What happened (sadly) was rather than just go "oh hey. This is a cool concept. If the chips ever fall that way again? Let's do it", they tried to force that to occur every year with the Bowl Alliance, Bowl Coalition, Bowl Championship Series, and now the College Football Playoff.

It reminds a bit of what happened with NASCAR. In 1992? They had 5 drivers fighting it out for the title at the last race in Atlanta. That race was incredible. But rather than just (AGAIN) letting the chips fall where they may? NASCAR wound up trying to put in a system to ensure that would happen every year. The result? It took away a lot of parity, and a lot of "meaning" that some of the bigger races had at one point.

You either have to go back to the old way of doing things or do a full 8, 12, 16 team playoff. Because at this point? Everything is now irrelevant. Conference Championships? Irrelevant. Rivalry games that decide the conference champion (Alabama-Auburn, Alabama-LSU?)? Irrelevant. Winning the Orange, Sugar, Cotton, Rose or Fiesta? Irrevelant.

That's what they have effectively done in their quest to try to recreate the magic of that one night in Tempe.
 
Should be noted that UCF was 0-12 two years and Scott Frost turned them around quickly. He’ll be at Nebraska next year. The B1G has really upped their coaching talent.
 
col63onel said:
Should be noted that UCF was 0-12 two years and Scott Frost turned them around quickly. He’ll be at Nebraska next year. The B1G has really upped their coaching talent.
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Which is why the SEC has turned to shit with exception to the few high level coaches.

SEC went from a conference coaching stable of Saban, Meyer, Miles (good at time), James Franklin, Malzahn, Richt, Spurrier, etc.

It’s no coincidence the Big 10 has elevated as the coaching level increased. If you took a poll of the best coaches in college, Big 10 would win by far.

Meyer, Franklin, Dantonio, Chryst, Harbaugh, now Frost, Ferentz, PJ Fleck, Pat Fitzgerald...

I won’t dispute the SEC continually has the best talent......but their development has suffered with a lack of high end coaching and the play, on a week to week basis, is really poor. It’s bad football.....
 
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billmac91 said:
Which is why the SEC has turned to shit with exception to the few high level coaches.
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It always felt to me like it was insanely top heavy.

It could be argued that teams like Meyer's UF squads, Saban's Alabama squads, and Saban/Miles's LSU squads were JUGGERNAUTS...but beyond that? it feels kinda iffy at times.

Meyer is coaching back home. Les Miles got fired. Kinda just leaves us with college Belichick. Being honest? It almost feels insulting to Saban's ability to just go "WELL THAT'S JUST SEC TALENT" to why he's succeeded. That dude would be winning national titles in the Pac 10, Big XII, Big Ten...where EVER you put him.
 
Triple-S said:
It always felt to me like it was insanely top heavy.

It could be argued that teams like Meyer's UF squads, Saban's Alabama squads, and Saban/Miles's LSU squads were JUGGERNAUTS...but beyond that? it feels kinda iffy at times.

Meyer is coaching back home. Les Miles got fired. Kinda just leaves us with college Belichick. Being honest? It almost feels insulting to Saban's ability to just go "WELL THAT'S JUST SEC TALENT" to why he's succeeded. That dude would be winning national titles in the Pac 10, Big XII, Big Ten...where EVER you put him.
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I hate to say it. But, I am now convinced that Alabama is the best team. I think what they did to Clemson was very impressive. They obliterated them. I'm sure they'll handle Georgia as well. We can debate whether they deserved to get in since their schedule and conference wasn't very strong this season. But, I'd be hard pressed to pick OSU to beat them on a neutral field.
 
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