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Is it really ridiculous to think the guy who hit .292 last year and is a career .282 hitter may have done better than our catching platoon?

Perez and Gomes combined for 4-24 in the WS and went 0-6 in Games 5 and 7, which were decided by a run each. And not to nitpick more, but Perez had an RBI single in the 9th of Game 6, when we were down 7. Again, he was fantastic in Game 1, but he didn't do anything else for us in 2-7. No one can say for sure what may or may not have happened, but I sure would have preferred to see Lucroy in those games.

Again, your opinion.

My opinion is he provides just as much as Perez, if that at all, and we still lose.

Offense wasn't our problem in the WS...depleted pitching from injuries was...not sure how Lucroy helps us out in that department.
 
Just because pitching was our biggest problem doesn't mean our lack of production from our catchers wasn't a problem too.

They hit 4-24 (.166) for the series
2-20 (.100) from Games 2-7.
1-10 (.100) in Games 5-7. The lone hit coming in the 9th of a 9-2 ballgame.

Perez went 0-2 with RISP in Game 5, a game we lose 3-2.

Anyway, we clearly both have different opinions on this and no sense to keep digging our heels into the sand. I'm thrilled to have Mejia, but it's certainly possible, in my opinion, that things may have gone differently in October last year with Lucroy.

Easy to look at Perez's OPS for the series and think he was solid, but that's inflated by Game 1- in which he was great in. Think his OPS from Games 2-7 was .411
 
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Can someone give a recap of our top 5 to 8 prospects and how they are doing leading into the all star break? Thanks in advance!

Also let us know which prospects are most likely to be included in a deadline trade in your opinion?
 
Just because pitching was our biggest problem doesn't mean our lack of production from our catchers wasn't a problem too.

They hit 4-24 (.166) for the series
2-20 (.100) from Games 2-7.
1-10 (.100) in Games 5-7. The lone hit coming in the 9th of a 9-2 ballgame.

Perez went 0-2 with RISP in Game 5, a game we lose 3-2.

Anyway, we clearly both have different opinions on this and no sense to keep digging our heels into the sand. I'm thrilled to have Mejia, but it's certainly possible, in my opinion, that things may have gone differently in October last year with Lucroy.

Easy to look at Perez's OPS for the series and think he was solid, but that's inflated by Game 1- in which he was great in. Think his OPS from Games 2-7 was .411

I agree with @BimboColesHair on the World Series. We lost cause we didn't have Carrasco and Salazar 100% and with Bauer deciding to play with drones so yeah it was a mess. I mean the Cubs had their full rotation so they had the advantage if it went 7 games regardless.
 
Everyone wants to make it about the pitching. I fully believe we win the series with even 1 of Carlos and Salazar, but the bullpen really picked up that slack. We gave up 27 runs and scored 27 runs.

Let's not forget Lonnie and Naquin went 3-23 (.130) in the series

Let's not forget Napoli and Santana went 9-47 (.191) with 1 combined HR

And of course I've made my case for the catchers (.166)

Any of those top 4 guys hit for their season average and we may win that series.
 
@BimboColesHair, We may actually never see Colon pitch again for the Indians since he has been suspended for a full season. I wouldn't even worry about updated his stats cause of the suspension. Who is your surprises in good ways and surprises in bad ways for the minors this season so far for you? You get a chance to actually watch a fair amount of these guys.

I'll take him out next round of updates.

Good surprises...

Hitters:

Bobby Bradley - change in swing mechanics has him on pace for a sub 20% K rate, which is an incredible step in the right direction. Figured he'd still K in the high 20s, especially beginning to see guys with MLB experience in AA. Hasn't come at the expense of his power too, which is even better.

Willi Castro - another guy who tinkered with his mechanics. Always touted for his speed and defense, finally is putting it together at the plate. Career best numbers all over the place for him, and he's doing that as 19/20 year old switch hitter in a league that is usually tough on offense.

Li-Jen Chu - forgotten guy from the Bradley/Chang AZL championship team, recovered from TJ and has finally stayed healthy. Will play as many games this season as he did in his 1st 3 pro seasons combined. Not sure he sticks at C, but love his approach at the plate and his simple swing.

Eric Haase - he's not much of a prospect IMO, but you have to give him credit for staying toe-to-toe with Mejia in both OPS and wRC+, considering how ridiculous Mejia has been to this point. Best C platoon in minor league baseball, by far.

Conner Capel - people will look at his slash and say why, but I look at it as a 19/20 year old kid touted as a speed tool prospect who skipped short season A ball and went straight to full A ball and is hitting for more power than I ever expected from him. Still has some ironing out to do with his swing (not a fan of his leg raise), so hopefully we see some of his contact stats improve as that improves.

Pitchers:

Thomas Pannone - like Mejia last year, when you are dominating a league and then move up a level in the middle of that stretch, its usually hard to continue that performance. Guy hasn't really missed a beat in AA. Uptick in velocity, smoother mechanics, and an improved change-up have been huge for him end of last year and this year. He's a legit prospect now, after being on the fringe last year.

Shane Bieber - was touted as a command and control pitcher, and he has been all that and then some to this point. But I'm not sure anyone expected him to K this many hitters as a pro. Fastball is up this year, no longer touches the high 80s frequently, mostly sits low 90s all game. Will be interesting to see how he progresses moving forward, and how he separates himself from Adam Plutko's developmental arc, considering they look like the same guy.

Dalbert Siri - he's an enigma, but his stuff is incredible when he hits the zone, and his K numbers reflect that (16 K/9 is absurd, regardless of the league). Sits mid 90s, touches upper 90s, and has the best slider on the farm this season IMO...but he also has moments where he has no idea where the ball is going. We traded our 2 highest ceiling relievers last year, but I think we have found some good potential replacements in the lower levels this year, between Siri, Ryder Ryan, Argenis Angulo, and Leandro Linares.

Bad surprises...

Hitters:

Tyler Krieger - he just hasn't looked right at all this year. Maybe playing in the WBC threw him off a bit, but he just isn't making good contact all that often. K rate is down, which means he's making more contact, but he's not hitting many balls hard, at least in games I've seen.

Nellie Rodriguez - went from a pitchers park in AA to one of the most hitter friendly parks in the world. Timing was right for him to put up a monster year, power wise. Guy has struck out in 42% of his ABs to this point, and his slugging % is 150 points lower than last year. Nothing more than that needs to be said.

Todd Isaacs - was expecting a big year from him...still is too all or nothing with his swing, which is a shame because with Allen hurt right now, he's without a doubt the fastest guy on the farm...just can't use it cause he doesn't get on base enough. Has multiple tools to salivate over, but he needs work on his approach...hopefully getting exposed for a full year forces that on him this winter.

Gio Urshela - hate to say it, since I loved him as a prospect a few years ago, but his inability to fix his swing and the sudden vanishing of his power has me hoping we move him at the deadline, or at least moving on from him and opening up a 40 man spot this upcoming winter/spring.

Pitchers:

Micah Miniard - guy with that kind of stuff shouldn't be striking out 4 batters a game and getting lit up for 5+ runs every night. Was expecting big things from him this year after his success last year, and improvements he made in his stuff. Guys with mid 90s fastballs and a good off speed offering usually breeze through the Midwest League, but he's laboring through right now. Already at a career high in IP, so it will be curious to see how he handles the 2nd half.

Brady Aiken - really, I could just list all of the current Lake County starters in here if I wanted. Between Aiken, Miniard, and Hillman (though he's getting closer IMO), its been a disappointing year, and the biggest reason why Lake County is the worst team on the farm right now. Sitting in the upper 80s, rarely touching the 90s, mechanics look all out of whack, arm slot looks off, off speed stuff is flat, and he misses the zone by feet every once in a while...yes, FEET. Not quite sure what is going on, but hopefully he is just one of those guys who takes a bit longer to recover from TJ than most.

Adam Plutko - BB rate has all of a sudden doubled, K rate is falling, velocity is down a bit, change-up no longer looks like a plus pitch, and his mechanics no longer look as smooth as they once were. Last year he tried to add a bit more velocity and a breaking pitch into his primary offerings, but I think that has cost him a bit, as far as his standing as a prospect goes. I'd move quite a few guys in AA and A+ ball who were behind him to start the season ahead of him now.
 
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Everyone wants to make it about the pitching. I fully believe we win the series with even 1 of Carlos and Salazar, but the bullpen really picked up that slack. We gave up 27 runs and scored 27 runs.

Let's not forget Lonnie and Naquin went 3-23 (.130) in the series

Let's not forget Napoli and Santana went 9-47 (.191) with 1 combined HR

And of course I've made my case for the catchers (.166)

Any of those top 4 guys hit for their season average and we may win that series.

Let's take this to the 2017 Indians thread if you want to keep talking about it.
 
Can someone give a recap of our top 5 to 8 prospects and how they are doing leading into the all star break? Thanks in advance!

Also let us know which prospects are most likely to be included in a deadline trade in your opinion?

I'm going to do my personal top 8 at this moment.

1) Francisco Mejia - .338/.381/.550 slash in 222 ABs in AA. Caught 12 of 41 would be base stealers. Offense is ahead of his defense, needs better footwork while catching. But he's a top 10 prospect in all of baseball right now IMO. He's untouchable right now.

2) Triston McKenzie - 7-4, 2.91 ERA, 115 strikeouts in 89.2 IP in High A. Best young strikeout pitcher in the entire minor leagues right now, but still has a ton of projection left (he's 19). Continues to have a #1 prospect in all of baseball ceiling IMO. Should be in Akron in a few weeks..untouchable as well.

3) Bobby Bradley - .266/.355/.506 slash in 267 ABs in AA. K rate dramatically falling, power numbers up from last year, still drives in runs in bunches. Think he deserves a nice bump in the prospect rankings. They could potentially sell high on him, but with Santana potentially walking, I don't think they move him.

4) Nolan Jones - .245/.365/.396 slash in 53 ABs in SS A. Too small of a sample size, but huge potential. Big kid, smooth fielder at 3B, terrific approach at the plate. Just has to grow into more power IMO. Top 100 prospect with a good showing in SS A ball IMO. Think he's untouchable right now.

5) Will Benson - .200/.231/.360 slash in 50 ABs in SS A. Again too small of a sample, but still reflects what he is as a prospect right now. Needs a lot of development and patience, but has traits you can't teach (size/strength/speed combo) that give him the highest ceiling on the farm for position players IMO. Think he's untouchable at this point.

6) Greg Allen - .255/.345/.340 slash in 94 ABs in AA. Broke a bone in his hand and is about to come back, which is a shame because he'd most likely be in AAA right now with Zimmer promoted to Cleveland. Elite speed, on base skills, and defense. With Zimmer's showing defensively in CF to this point, he could potentially be moved though...still think Zimmer should play RF in a few years though and Allen CF.

7) Yu-Cheng Chang - .218/.298/.496 slash in 266 ABs in AA. Average and OBP aren't where you want them, but a 21 year old SS is on pace to hit 35 HRs in AA. Has the bat profile to move anywhere the Indians want him, since he is blocked at the MLB level right now. Chance he gets moved before he ever sees a pitch in an Indians uniform since he is blocked, and power hitting SS's are the QB's of the MLB right now so their value is absurdly high.

8) Brady Aiken - 1-9, 4.46 ERA, 58 walks, 52 strikeouts in 78.2 IP in A ball. Not sure what is going on with him. Just looks off after his TJ surgery. Everything looks different, from his arsenal to his arm slot to his mechanics to his attitude on the mound. Hopefully it eventually clicks for him, but we need signs of that sooner than later. Don't think they sell low on him, since the potential is still there, and that potential is very, very high.

As for who can get moved. I think the most likely ones are Armstrong, Chang, Allen, Morimando, Merritt, with Diaz and Naquin a little less likely. Bunching up quality starting pitchers in AAA and AA, so I can see some being moved soon.
 
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Everyone wants to make it about the pitching. I fully believe we win the series with even 1 of Carlos and Salazar, but the bullpen really picked up that slack. We gave up 27 runs and scored 27 runs.

Let's not forget Lonnie and Naquin went 3-23 (.130) in the series

Let's not forget Napoli and Santana went 9-47 (.191) with 1 combined HR

And of course I've made my case for the catchers (.166)

Any of those top 4 guys hit for their season average and we may win that series.

Napoli and Santana both choked horribly in the WS.
 
I'm going to do my personal top 8 at this moment.

1) Francisco Mejia - .338/.381/.550 slash in 222 ABs in AA. Caught 12 of 41 would be base stealers. Offense is ahead of his defense, needs better footwork while catching. But he's a top 10 prospect in all of baseball right now IMO. He's untouchable right now.

2) Triston McKenzie - 7-4, 2.91 ERA, 115 strikeouts in 89.2 IP in High A. Best young strikeout pitcher in the entire minor leagues right now, but still has a ton of projection left (he's 19). Continues to have a #1 prospect in all of baseball ceiling IMO. Should be in Akron in a few weeks..untouchable as well.

3) Bobby Bradley - .266/.355/.506 slash in 267 ABs in AA. K rate dramatically falling, power numbers up from last year, still drives in runs in bunches. Think he deserves a nice bump in the prospect rankings. They could potentially sell high on him, but with Santana potentially walking, I don't think they move him.

4) Nolan Jones - .245/.365/.396 slash in 53 ABs in SS A. Too small of a sample size, but huge potential. Big kid, smooth fielder at 3B, terrific approach at the plate. Just has to grow into more power IMO. Top 100 prospect with a good showing in SS A ball IMO. Think he's untouchable right now.

5) Will Benson - .200/.231/.360 slash in 50 ABs in SS A. Again too small of a sample, but still reflects what he is as a prospect right now. Needs a lot of development and patience, but has traits you can't teach (size/strength/speed combo) that give him the highest ceiling on the farm for position players IMO. Think he's untouchable at this point.

6) Greg Allen - .255/.345/.340 slash in 94 ABs in AA. Broke a bone in his hand and is about to come back, which is a shame because he'd most likely be in AAA right now with Zimmer promoted to Cleveland. Elite speed, on base skills, and defense. With Zimmer's showing defensively in CF to this point, he could potentially be moved though...still think Zimmer should play RF in a few years though and Allen CF.

7) Yu-Cheng Chang - .218/.298/.496 slash in 266 ABs in AA. Average and OBP aren't where you want them, but a 21 year old SS is on pace to hit 35 HRs in AA. Has the bat profile to move anywhere the Indians want him, since he is blocked at the MLB level right now. Chance he gets moved before he ever see's a pitch in an Indians uniform since he is blocked, and power hitting SS's are the QB's of the MLB right now.

8) Brady Aiken - 1-9, 4.46 ERA, 58 walks, 52 strikeouts in 78.2 IP in A ball. Not sure what is going on with him. Just looks off after his TJ surgery. Everything looks different, from his arsenal to his arm slot to his mechanics to his attitude on the mound. Hopefully it eventually clicks for him, but we need signs of that sooner than later. Don't think they sell low on him, since the potential is still there, and that potential is very, very high.

As for who can get moved. I think the most likely ones are Armstrong, Chang, Allen, Morimando, Merritt, with Diaz and Naquin a little less likely. Bunching up quality starting pitchers in AAA and AA, so I can see some being moved soon.


You think McKenzie could see some time in September? Or at that point will his innings be maxed?
Hes pretty exciting...
 
You think McKenzie could see some time in September? Or at that point will his innings be maxed?
Hes pretty exciting...

You can probably see him in Akron in September
 
You think McKenzie could see some time in September? Or at that point will his innings be maxed?
Hes pretty exciting...

No way.

2019 at the earliest IMO. Think 2020 is most likely. They're going to want his body as matured as possible before he gets to the MLB level.

Should end 2017 in AA and start 2018 in AA, hopefully end 2018 in AAA, start 2019 in AAA and then be on watch to get the call from there.
 
@BimboColesHair I know you mentioned Bieber earlier, but what are your thoughts on Civale? He's a guy I've been following pretty closely as well considering they both have solid K-rates with ridiculously low BB-rates.
 
@BimboColesHair I know you mentioned Bieber earlier, but what are your thoughts on Civale? He's a guy I've been following pretty closely as well considering they both have solid K-rates with ridiculously low BB-rates.

Sinker ball pitcher with a great slider. Kind of a bit of Kluber in him with his arm side run on his fastball and breaking ball mix. Not saying he'll be Kluber, just kind of a similar profile in terms of go to pitches.

Think he has a bit of upside left though, because I think his arm slot and movement he gets on his fastball could lead to his change up improving, which could give him a nice 3 pitch mix that all look different.

If he can't get a 3rd pitch, he can be a real good reliever I think too.
 

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