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2018 College Football Season/Playoff Thread

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TheLand1287 said:
Dwayne Haskins. Heisman Finalist.

Unfortunately, it’s rigged against him. Kyler has all the flash. Tua has the wins. All Haskins did was shatter all the Big Ten passing records. Wonder what kind of stats he would’ve put up playing against Big 12 “defenses”.
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I think you can make a case for a guy without making arguments like this, which at face value, seem a little silly.

Murray nearly passed for 4000 yards and rushed for 1000. And he had 40 passing TD's and 10 rushing TD's.

4000/40/10 has only been done 4 times since 2000.

Out of the 4 players on that list, Murray has a completion percentage 4.4% better than the second best guy on the list. He has a passer rating 41.8 points higher than the second best 4000/40/10 guy.......40 freakin points.

He's only the second QB to throw for 4,000 yards and have a passer rating above 200. The other? Baker.

Only 3 QB's have thrown for 3,000 yards and had a passer rating north of 200. Kyler, Baker and.........Tua.

Just to drive this point home.......on how supremely good Murray has been, regardless of what you think of the conference.....

Drop the passing yardage threshold to 1,000 yards in a season. What would you expect to get? 1,000 yards passing (minimum), with a 200 passer rating.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cf...200&c3stat=rush_td&c3comp=gt&order_by=pass_td

This isn't to say Haskins isn't deserving, he is.......in a normal year, I think he would win......but the efficiency with which Murray has played is just what sets him apart. He had two games with laughable 300+ passer ratings. Based on the 1000/200 database search, it's not simply a conference affiliation thing....the guy is just incredibly special.
 
Ohio said:
The Big 10 needs to do one or both of these things:

1) Go back to playing only 8 conference games
2) Throwing out the divisions

This system is a literal joke, there's no way around it. But doing these things would go a long way into helping themselves. It isn't a level playing field right now having to play an extra conference game while the SEC & ACC are playing Division II schools. Both our bad losses the last two years came in that extra, cross-division conference game. Those games should have never even been played. We should have been blasting Akron in The 'Shoe by 50 points. And then we would have made the playoff each of the last 2 years.

Said it before, but the SEC & ACC have crafted guaranteed playoff spots by only playing 8 conference games. Big 10 needs to wake the fuck up.
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UPDATE:

View: https://twitter.com/ESPNRittenberg/status/1070357287955517441


View: https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/1070360562196996096


There's the two things I mentioned...really sucks Delany is stuck on the 9 games, but getting rid of the fucking divisions would help plenty.

James Franklin gets it:

View: https://twitter.com/audsnyder4/status/1069354309513560064
 
Delaney is a fucking idiot
 
So I'll be honest I'm not in favor of throwing out the divisions because, quite frankly, I'm not in favor of OSU-Michigan rematches one week later. A great deal of the time that would render the prior weeks game completely pointless. Like this year.

Pass.
 
Rich said:
So I'll be honest I'm not in favor of throwing out the divisions because, quite frankly, I'm not in favor of OSU-Michigan rematches one week later. A great deal of the time that would render the prior weeks game completely pointless. Like this year.

Pass.
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It’s also pointless to have a conference championship game where the 4th or 5th best team is playing in it.
 
Rich said:
So I'll be honest I'm not in favor of throwing out the divisions because, quite frankly, I'm not in favor of OSU-Michigan rematches one week later. A great deal of the time that would render the prior weeks game completely pointless. Like this year.

Pass.
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I'm kind of in this boat as well. I just think the divisions need adjusted a bit to fine tune them. Make sure Ohio State and Michigan stay in the same side so the game still has the traditional feel behind it.

This is me completely spitballing (with generic division names included!), but doing something like:

Legends
Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Minnesota
Indiana
Northwestern
Illinois

Leaders
Penn State
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Rutgers
Purdue
Iowa
Maryland

I feel like Penn State and Ohio State/Michigan need to be in different divisions at the very least right now. Recent history shows that at least one of Ohio State or Michigan is going to be a top-10 team pretty much every year, and also that at least one of Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, or Iowa should be at least top-15.

Would be better than #6 vs. #22 at least. Ohio State vs. Penn State for the B1G would have been pretty cool.

The potential B1G Championship matchups are pretty appealing overall:

Ohio State vs. Penn State
Ohio State vs. Michigan State
Ohio State vs. Wisconsin
Michigan vs. Penn State
Michigan vs. Michigan State

If any of those games were happening for the B1G Championship, I'm watching. I wasn't even that excited to play Northwestern this year because it was... Northwestern who won their side with 4 losses.
 
I'mWithDan said:
I think you can make a case for a guy without making arguments like this, which at face value, seem a little silly.

Murray nearly passed for 4000 yards and rushed for 1000. And he had 40 passing TD's and 10 rushing TD's.

4000/40/10 has only been done 4 times since 2000.

Out of the 4 players on that list, Murray has a completion percentage 4.4% better than the second best guy on the list. He has a passer rating 41.8 points higher than the second best 4000/40/10 guy.......40 freakin points.

He's only the second QB to throw for 4,000 yards and have a passer rating above 200. The other? Baker.

Only 3 QB's have thrown for 3,000 yards and had a passer rating north of 200. Kyler, Baker and.........Tua.

Just to drive this point home.......on how supremely good Murray has been, regardless of what you think of the conference.....

Drop the passing yardage threshold to 1,000 yards in a season. What would you expect to get? 1,000 yards passing (minimum), with a 200 passer rating.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cf...200&c3stat=rush_td&c3comp=gt&order_by=pass_td

This isn't to say Haskins isn't deserving, he is.......in a normal year, I think he would win......but the efficiency with which Murray has played is just what sets him apart. He had two games with laughable 300+ passer ratings. Based on the 1000/200 database search, it's not simply a conference affiliation thing....the guy is just incredibly special.
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Murry is a better running back than Haskins. As a passer

Murray .709 completion, 40 TDs, 7 Interceptions, 12-1 record - won the quarterback award
Haskins .702 completion, 48 TDs, 8 Interceptions, 12-1 record - didn't make the top 3

Also, according to ESPN, Murry didn't rush for 1000 yards, he rushed for 892. Maybe because they subtract out sacks?

Murray led a very explosive offense and that explosive offense was a large reason they made the playoffs. Only thing is, the offense Haskins led averaged more points and beat higher ranked teams.

And how in the world did Will Grier finish ahead of Haskins for the Maxwell Player of the Year Award?
 
KI4MVP said:
Murry is a better running back than Haskins. As a passer

Murray .709 completion, 40 TDs, 7 Interceptions, 12-1 record - won the quarterback award
Haskins .702 completion, 48 TDs, 8 Interceptions, 12-1 record - didn't make the top 3

Also, according to ESPN, Murry didn't rush for 1000 yards, he rushed for 892. Maybe because they subtract out sacks?

Murray led a very explosive offense and that explosive offense was a large reason they made the playoffs. Only thing is, the offense Haskins led averaged more points and beat higher ranked teams.

And how in the world did Will Grier finish ahead of Haskins for the Maxwell Player of the Year Award?
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The phrasing was weird on my initial note.......should have been "he passed for 4000 yards and nearly rushed for 1000". He was short of that rushing threshold.

Also, raw numbers just don't do it justice though.

Per attempt:

Murray: YPA - 11.9, PATDPA - .117
Haskins: YPA - 9.2, PATDPA - .094

In the context of Hakins having 150+ more passing attempts, Murray's numbers are absurd. Murray's YPA is almost 23% higher.......is PATDPA is almost 20% higher. Murray also had a passer rating almost 30 points higher (29.9) than Haskins.

When you get in to the top guys and there is that much separation in efficiency, it's just another level.

In an average Heisman year, Haskins might have won. This and last just have not been that from a QB standpoint.
 
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KI4MVP said:
And how in the world did Will Grier finish ahead of Haskins for the Maxwell Player of the Year Award?
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Keep in mind Grier had a game canceled. He had nearly 3900 yards and 37 passing TD's in only 11 games.

Not getting in to the finish here, as I really don't understand all the criteria but per game averages:

Grier: 351 YPG, 3.36 PTDPG, 9.7 YPA, 175.5 rating
Haskins: 352 YPG, 3.72 PTDPG, 9.2 YPA, 175.8 rating

They had similar profiles. I think Haskins deserved the nod, based on team accomplishments but their stats were nearly identical on a per game basis.
 
I love Dwayne Haskins and everything he's done this season. It just sucks he happened to have his incredible year coincide with those of two other awesome QBs. I personally think Murray deserves to win the Heisman and think he will after Tagovailoa's poor performance this past Saturday. Murray's and Haskins' teams would be around 8 to 9 win squads without them whereas I'm pretty sure Bama would have still gone undefeated with Jalen Hurts.
 
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