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I searched, but couldn't find.

The only reason I found this one was because NDT Scouting put it in their scouting report.

Didn't PFF do the statistics out of the top 12 qb's with 6 or 7 categories with one being accuracy under pressure? At short,medium and deep ranges with Mayfield #1 at every level? Not really a direct out of pocket measurement but one would assume would kinda correlate. Once again, doesn't include drops and such though.
 
What's happened is people let the media drive the discussion before they had their own opinion on these guys themselves. It's crazy because if you've watched these guys the last few years you already know what you know. Once the media narratives come in they become the standard of how people should feel about these guys. It's like how when I was watching Rosen in 2016 I don't remember thinking to myself this guy has real character concerns. Or when I was watching Lamar Jackson during his Heisman season I never even considered him being a WR. I was too busy enjoying watching him play QB. When Darnold was playing Penn State in that Rose Bowl I remember people think he's going to be really good in a few years when he goes pro. Not the very next year when he enters the draft when most though he should return to school and all of a sudden he's just the top QB? I also don't recall Saquon Barkley being a generational RB at that time even though he had a good game. I remember hearing about how baker mayfield was a great story. A walk on transfer who had to work to get where he's at. Then he was being tackled by the cops, had some character issues, won the Heisman and now he's back to being a darling.

Dear NFL Draft,

Please hurry.

Sincerely,
The Good Guys.
I truly believe a lot of Browns fan from the get go have actively searched for reasons to like Darnold and reasons to not like Rosen because of the dogshit report that Rosen wouldn't play here.

If you think a guy isn't willing to play for your team a lot of people aren't going to evaluate him without bias.
 
I truly believe a lot of Browns fan from the get go have actively searched for reasons to like Darnold and reasons to not like Rosen because of the dogshit report that Rosen wouldn't play here.

If you think a guy isn't willing to play for your team a lot of people aren't going to evaluate him without bias.

This was definitely an issue at first for myself. But I've since come around and looked past it. I don't think Rosen would cause issues if taken by the Browns.
 
I truly believe a lot of Browns fan from the get go have actively searched for reasons to like Darnold and reasons to not like Rosen because of the dogshit report that Rosen wouldn't play here.

If you think a guy isn't willing to play for your team a lot of people aren't going to evaluate him without bias.

Just look at this forum before and since the report. It was a Rosen love fest all year.

I don’t pretend to know enough about football to definitely prefer one over the other, but most on here who know a lot were 100% on the Rosen bandwagon.
 
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And this stuff just gets me excited...



 
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Oh okay. Yeah, I don't agree. Nobody has a better arm than Rosen in this draft. Allen's is probably a little stronger but it certainly isn't better.

Darnold's arm is certainly great as well, though.

Yeah, sorry, @RG. You hit me with a short "Based on what?" so I had to give it back.

Of the top quarterbacks, I would say that Allen has the most zip on the ball, followed by Darnold, then Rosen, then Mayfield. This is what I see when I watch them.

All of them are above average, however. None will have issues at the next level based on arm strength alone.

Allen has no touch. He's throwing missiles all the time, and hitting cheerleaders and side judges on accident. You can't bring babies with you in the stands if you're going to watch a game with Josh Allen at quarterback.

Darnold has the ability to really put the ball on a rope, but he also makes a great deal of throws with touch and anticipation. Sometimes this is a detriment, but he's really good at unleashing accurate throws on the run or from weird platforms. As a result, his footwork sometimes gets sloppy because of his natural arm talent.

Rosen also has a good arm. He throws a very catchable deep ball. His mechanics are the best in this class. He just doesn't have the same ability to deliver the ball from different platforms and on the move. That's fine. The pocket is what wins in this league.

Mayfied is extremely accurate. He has fantastic touch.

When I referred to "better arm" I generally meant a little "bigger" arm. All have good arms. I don't want to confuse this with what I would classify as "arm talent," which would include accuracy, touch, ability to throw from different levels, natural throwing from different platforms, ability to get the ball to the receiver based on the throw that is required of him. For this description, I just meant in order of "who has a hose."

And for the record, I am actually undecided between Rosen and Darnold. I can't help it. I like them both. Sometimes, I think I'm leaning Darnold and then I remember what it all looks like when Rosen has clean protection.
 
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And this stuff just gets me excited...





Nice to see numbers back up the eye-test. Baker is one of those guys that kill you ALL THE DAMN TIME when he is pressured/almost sacked. It reminds me of Big Ben. He obviously doesn't just shake guys off like Ben does, but I am more talking about how he makes one or two defenders miss, extends the play, and inevitably a WR finally breaks free and it results in a huge first down and/or big gain.

Thinking back to just the Ohio State game alone... every time OSU actually got some pressure on Baker, the result seem like they ended up being even worse for OSU. He'd just make a subtle side-step to make a guy miss, extend the play another second or two, and then deliver to someone wide open.
 
You all know I Love Baker and Truly believe he's gonna be really really good. Best passer rating and under pressure dating back to 15'. Just hard to to pass up on a prototypical Rosen for an almost 6'1 guy that doesn't run a pro style offense after getting it wrong for so many years... Just my honest opinion, but if Rosen were the qb for OU in that buckeye game I feel OSU wins..obviously just a gut feeling guess with no data or so many variables etc.
 
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Didn't PFF do the statistics out of the top 12 qb's with 6 or 7 categories with one being accuracy under pressure? At short,medium and deep ranges with Mayfield #1 at every level? Not really a direct out of pocket measurement but one would assume would kinda correlate. Once again, doesn't include drops and such though.

That doesn’t skim down to just throws from the pocket under pressure.
 

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