2019 Draft Prospects Thread

[Amherstcavsfan]

49:

Rapp, CGJ, Thornhill, Layne

80:

Khalin Saunders, Cashman, Rennel Wren, Sean Bunting, Savage

 

[natedagg]

We need Layne bc stud.
We need a thumper. That’s a new position that means strong safety.
We need LB so Cashman.

I am weak. I admit it. I want us to trade up and get 2 second round picks. No discipline. All emotion. I have failed at the practice of patience.

 

[Triplethreat]

We need Layne bc stud.
We need a thumper. That’s a new position that means strong safety.
We need LB so Cashman.

I am weak. I admit it. I want us to trade up and get 2 second round picks. No discipline. All emotion. I have failed at the practice of patience.

Wonder if there’s any way we could pry Kam Chancellor away from Seattle...

Unlikely but they’ve already broken up the rest of the Legion or Boom. Last standing man...

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Wonder if there’s any way we could pry Kam Chancellor away from Seattle...

Unlikely but they’ve already broken up the rest of the Legion or Boom. Last standing man...

Didn't Kam Chancellor retire in, like, 2017?

 

[Triplethreat]

Didn't Kam Chancellor retire in, like, 2017?

Woah fuck.

Looked up his contract and he is under contract until 2020 but you’re right.

Shows how much I watch the fucking Seahawks now.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I don't recall seeing Cashman's name thrown about as a Browns target until I made that pick in the mock draft.

Did I start a thing?

(This is where you show me a post from months ago where b00bie had Cashman rated as a second rounder)

 

[AZ_]

I don't recall seeing Cashman's name thrown about as a Browns target until I made that pick in the mock draft.

Did I start a thing?

(This is where you show me a post from months ago where b00bie had Cashman rated as a second rounder)

In fairness I have him in the third.

But wouldn't be opposed.

 

[natedagg]

Didn't Kam Chancellor retire in, like, 2017?

Good he might be available.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Okay 3.5 weeks away. Who are the favorite most realtistic targets at 49 and 80? Saftey, corner and lb seem to be three areas to look at.

My list for 49
49 Thornhill, Rapp, Savage, Layne , Love, Baker

80 Cashman, ( best available o tackle still on the board) I wonder with the injury if a guy like Cajuste is still there

Thoughts on 49 and 80? Those are the picks that have the best chance of actually getting playing time next year.

Tylor Rapp just ran a 4.77 forty yard dash in his pro day today, confirming the biggest knock against him. He is smart and very quick in short area bursts, but he has a long speed issue. Amani Hooker is out there playing the box safety at 4.48. Its very likely that Rapp slides after that 40 time.

 

[blommen]

Yeah, I don't love Rapp at 49 either. I'd prefer a guy with a bit more explosiveness like Thornhill if that's who I have to pick between.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

This is the part of the year where we overrate athletic numbers and forget about on-field production, right?

Give me the football players. Keep bringing in the guys like Baker, Schobert, Chris Borland, etc. They seem to still be undervalued in today's NFL. If we're drafting a safety, I've got no issue with Rapp being the guy.

 

[Randolphkeys]

This is the part of the year where we overrate athletic numbers and forget about on-field production, right?

Give me the football players. Keep bringing in the guys like Baker, Schobert, Chris Borland, etc. They seem to still be undervalued in today's NFL. If we're drafting a safety, I've got no issue with Rapp being the guy.

Rapp can play football, but quite honestly there are too many good safeties in this draft class who are just as physical who run a sub 4.5. The way the league is headed, if your strong safety can't play man coverage on slot receivers or tight ends, your team can be exploited in the pass with the wrong personnel on the field. This is why a player like Eric Murray was moved from slot corner to strong safety: A team is less likely to be exploited through the pass than the run with an aggressive hitter who can cover, even if he is undersized for the box.

Unfortunately for Rapp, his long speed was already a concern at the college level, causing him to play a deep "angel" type free safety. This could have been a scheme decision, but now that he ran like a high school level safety in the 40, we can no longer say it was scheme. Washington was hiding his liability.

That does matter.

 

[Ozone]

Are the Browns even taking a DB at 49 now that they made the trade for Murray? unless a high value CB is there or a safety than switch to CB in the pros like Adderley falls, I think they take Tytus Howard

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Rapp can play football, but quite honestly there are too many good safeties in this draft class who are just as physical who run a sub 4.5. The way the league is headed, if your strong safety can't play man coverage on slot receivers or tight ends, your team can be exploited in the pass with the wrong personnel on the field. This is why a player like Eric Murray was moved from slot corner to strong safety: A team is less likely to be exploited through the pass than the run with an aggressive hitter who can cover, even if he is undersized for the box.

Unfortunately for Rapp, his long speed was already a concern at the college level, causing him to play a deep "angel" type free safety. This could have been a scheme decision, but now that he ran like a high school level safety in the 40, we can no longer say it was scheme. Washington was hiding his liability.

That does matter.

If I understand Wilks's defensive philosophy, doesn't he play mostly cover 3? Our safeties typically won't be in man coverage. I think this is why Peppers was expendable.

If that's the case, give me a safety with instincts and playmaking ability like Rapp over someone with better athletic measurables.

I could also be very wrong on this.

 

[Randolphkeys]

If I understand Wilks's defensive philosophy, doesn't he play mostly cover 3? Our safeties typically won't be in man coverage. I think this is why Peppers was expendable.

If that's the case, give me a safety with instincts and playmaking ability like Rapp over someone with better athletic measurables.

I could also be very wrong on this.

I mean, they just cut Derrick Kindred who is faster (4.5) than Rapp, and everyone's assumption for the reason why was that he couldn't fit coverage schemes. Let's see how it plays out, but a 4.77 was much slower than I expected. It's interesting you compared him to a number of productive linebackers with less than ideal 40 times, because the team that drafts him may plan for a position switch. Ex-strong safeties are in demand as middle linebackers.