2019 Draft Prospects Thread

[Randolphkeys]

NFL franchises have to follow the rules put into place. It's like baseball during the steroid era. Sure many franchises knew players were juicing, but if one team makes a zero tolerance policy, they are at a competitive disadvantage. If it's a lower producing player who got caught juicing, they dropped him.

The NFL is on the same position because aggressiveness is rewarded when it's on the field. However when a player displays aggressiveness off the field, it's in the news all week. The NFL has a lot of empty time to fill from Sunday to Sunday. That news cycle will talk about charges against a player to fill that space.

 

[MikeOC33]

NFL franchises have to follow the rules put into place. It's like baseball during the steroid era. Sure many franchises knew players were juicing, but if one team makes a zero tolerance policy, they are at a competitive disadvantage. If it's a lower producing player who got caught juicing, they dropped him.

The NFL is on the same position because aggressiveness is rewarded when it's on the field. However when a player displays aggressiveness off the field, it's in the news all week. The NFL has a lot of empty time to fill from Sunday to Sunday. That news cycle will talk about charges against a player to fill that space.

 

[MGMT]

I don’t remember Lumberg actually saying that at any point in Office Space.

 

[Lee]

As I start to break down this class in terms of fits for Cleveland, here is a rough early board of how I have guys pegged so far based on two things.

1. Talent, future potential value
2. Do they fit in Cleveland


Early on, after the Senior Bowl, here is what I've got:

1. Nick Bosa
2. Quinnen Williams
3. Clelin Ferrell
4. Devin White
5. Jonah Williams
6. Ed Oliver
7. Rashaun Gary
8. TJ Hockenson
9. Cody Ford
10. Greedy Williams
11. Jachai Polite
12. Christian Wilkins
13. Jeffrey Simmons
14. Jawaan Taylor
15. Greg Little
16. Kelvin Harmon
17. Charles Omenihu
18. Dre'Mont Jones
19. Montez Sweat
20. Josh Allen

So I cant get behind Josh Allen or Greg Little because of their names, but that does mean Greedy Williams is higher than 10 on my list for name alone.

 

[MikeOC33]

I don’t remember Lumberg actually saying that at any point in Office Space.

What about this...

 

[MikeOC33]

I don’t remember Lumberg actually saying that at any point in Office Space.

Or this?

 

[Cavsfan1985]

Does anyone think that dorsey might want to see how Harrison develops with a new offensive line coach before drafting an lt? I'm just wondering if he'll go after someone in trade or free agency and let Harrison develop behind them.

I think it is hard to say, it all depends on who is there with our draft picks and how the team rates the LT's. If there is a guy they see that has has elite potential and a much higher ceiling and floor, then I think you have to look there. I don't think LT is a high enough worry that you reach and pass on a BPA. I think as Kitchens showed last year you can scheme around some weakness on the line, and Baker does have a quick release. As far as FA, if you are able to sign someone on a shorter deal, I am sure they would look at it, not sure if there is anyone that will be available that is worth breaking the bank for at LT.

 

[natedagg]

As I start to break down this class in terms of fits for Cleveland, here is a rough early board of how I have guys pegged so far based on two things.

1. Talent, future potential value
2. Do they fit in Cleveland


Early on, after the Senior Bowl, here is what I've got:

1. Nick Bosa
2. Quinnen Williams
3. Clelin Ferrell
4. Devin White
5. Jonah Williams
6. Ed Oliver
7. Rashaun Gary
8. TJ Hockenson
9. Cody Ford
10. Greedy Williams
11. Jachai Polite
12. Christian Wilkins
13. Jeffrey Simmons
14. Jawaan Taylor
15. Greg Little
16. Kelvin Harmon
17. Charles Omenihu
18. Dre'Mont Jones
19. Montez Sweat
20. Josh Allen

Is Josh Allen not a fit because he is too good to be in the top 19?

What about DeAndre Baker? Does he get penalized bc there’s only room for 1 Baker? I thought he’d make list.

 

[AZ_]

Is Josh Allen not a fit because he is too good to be in the top 19?

What about DeAndre Baker? Does he get penalized bc there’s only room for 1 Baker? I thought he’d make list.

I’m not that big on Allen, to be honest.

I see him flash, I see him get buried. His hype scares me, he’s not the consistent winner like Bosa, Polite.

Definitely high on Baker, I’m just not sure I value his skill set as elite. Very good at everything, doesn’t stand out as much as he could.

Greedy is the only Top 20 corner for me, because of his polish/length combo.

 

[Jordan]

That analysis by Ledyard is pretty damning, but, I do like the Alex Smith comparison.

Haskins is a really good short-to-intermediate thrower and, in those situation, gets velocity on throws. I also think he can extend plays a bit and become a better passer out of the pocket because it seems to be an area where young QBs improve.

His mechanics are shaky, he’s a mediocre downfield thrower, and he passes up big plays for safe ones. A WCO takes away those weaknesses.

I know he’s much smaller and has a definite lower floor, but, I’d really consider taking Kyler Murray over Haskins if I was drafting a QB. Overall, though, it’s just a weak QB class.

 

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[2 For The Brew]

That analysis by Ledyard is pretty damning, but, I do like the Alex Smith comparison.

Haskins is a really good short-to-intermediate thrower and, in those situation, gets velocity on throws. I also think he can extend plays a bit and become a better passer out of the pocket because it seems to be an area where young QBs improve.

His mechanics are shaky, he’s a mediocre downfield thrower, and he passes up big plays for safe ones. A WCO takes away those weaknesses.

I know he’s much smaller and has a definite lower floor, but, I’d really consider taking Kyler Murray over Haskins if I was drafting a QB. Overall, though, it’s just a weak QB class.

NY Media is locking in on Haskins to the Giants. They're under pressure because the Jets have Darnold.

 

[MD13]

As I start to break down this class in terms of fits for Cleveland, here is a rough early board of how I have guys pegged so far based on two things.

1. Talent, future potential value
2. Do they fit in Cleveland


Early on, after the Senior Bowl, here is what I've got:

1. Nick Bosa
2. Quinnen Williams
3. Clelin Ferrell
4. Devin White
5. Jonah Williams
6. Ed Oliver
7. Rashaun Gary
8. TJ Hockenson
9. Cody Ford
10. Greedy Williams
11. Jachai Polite
12. Christian Wilkins
13. Jeffrey Simmons
14. Jawaan Taylor
15. Greg Little
16. Kelvin Harmon
17. Charles Omenihu
18. Dre'Mont Jones
19. Montez Sweat
20. Josh Allen

Curious what you see in Ferrell to put him at 3? The consensus seems to be that he's technically good and high effort, but he lacks the freak athleticism that a lot of these other top DL/edge prospects have in this class.

 

[AZ_]

Curious what you see in Ferrell to put him at 3? The consensus seems to be that he's technically good and high effort, but he lacks the freak athleticism that a lot of these other top DL/edge prospects have in this class.

He’s definitely not the freak athlete, but there are a lot of non freak athletes in the Hall of Fame.

He’s supremely technical, with enough power to be a major problem coming off either side.

Smart player, sets a good edge and is right there with Bosa in terms of impact against the run.

Think he’s a near elite player with a really low floor.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Sure teams are going to meet with him. I just think he would've had a chance to field questions about his past from any and all on-comers.

Rehabilitating his image is just as good for him as it would be if he becomes a good player in the league. The NFL is entirely two-faced and at this point, it's like they are pretending to give a damn. I would rather them just admit that they wish these things didn't happen, but at the end of the day, they don't give a damn if the person is talented. They keep trying to play nice with the public despite the fact that fans aren't turning off the games anyway.

Just say "We don't care if they're good people. We wish they were, but we really just want the best players in the league." Just say that. That's the truth. Stop faking otherwise.

Hey, you wanna go to the Combine, don't hit women. Not terribly difficult.