2019 Draft Prospects Thread

[FiveThous]

Deebo is definitely a good player. He was also basically the only good player on South Carolina, which might inflate those stats some.

So he's the only good player and has elite levels of production? That makes me like him more, not the other way around.

 

[raiders91sc]

one thing i'm shocked about is how may people think this is a strong tackle draft.

There are a lot of decent prospects, but maybe 1 or 2 that I would actually take in the 1st round. And spoilers, Jonah Williams is not one of them.

Compared to last year it is but I agree it is not strong. There is probably 7 guys who have 1st round grade and at worst 2nd round.

 

[MGMT]

David Sills looks like he has a nice radius and seemed to be get open consistently

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Ok guys, round 2 for prospects, with OT and Edge up. My last grouping will be WR and CB's. I'll review guys if you think I missed someone or if you want me to do someone else.

OT-
Greg Little: Big guy who is clearly athletic and able to get to spots fast. When he breaks out of his stance clean, he is hard to beat because of his length. He has all the potential in the world as a mobile big guy. Does a good job when locating his man during passing plays. Now for the bad: he is, at the moment, just a body. People see the big, hulking body, but I see an uncoordinated young player. I also see someone who is not as strong as one would think for his size. Totally useless as a pulling run blocker, typically turns into John Travolta in Pulp Fiction looking for someone. He fails to locate anyone and usually finds himself in space with nothing to do, effectively taking himself out of the play. He can easily get to the second level but often gets shed easily. He never really saw an elite pass rusher, but he tends to get reachy when he gets beat. He is a big ball of clay that would require quite the risk to take him at 17.

Jonah Williams: Really short arms. I'm not one to really notice this on just pure game tape, but its very noticeable. I'm not sure he's a tackle. Tends to over set at the snap and makes him extremely susceptible to the inside rush. He does this because his short arms, he cannot afford to be beaten athletically on the pass rush or he is dead. Absolute mauler at the point of the attack. He's clearly very strong and wipes his man out when he gets his hands on him. I'm not sure, but I think he's a center at the next level, personally. He could probably play guard as well, but I think the way he plays is best suited at center. He's one hell of a run blocker who, if he stays on the exterior in the NFL, is going to need perfect technique.

Dalton Risner: Did not play at LT for a majority of this year. Was mostly at RT. Understandable when you watch his tape, he has a very particular set of skills. He is a strong guy who is talented at run blocking but is inconsistent at pass blocking. He is shockingly good at getting to the second level, and manages to get his body in a good position. When he gets his hands on a guy in run blocking, he usually takes his man out of the play. His problem is that he is easily fooled on blitzes, and is defeated by speed very easily. He's interesting, but I just don't see the fit in Cleveland.

Andre Dillard: An extremely mobile LT. He plays with choppy feet and a good base. He maintains his ability to stay square and doesn't reach, even against speed rushers. He has, at least, functional strength and was good enough in run blocking although they did that very little at Wash St. He is a very refined prospect who might not have the ceiling to become a Joe Thomas, but I think he is talented enough to step in and start right away.

Jawaan Taylor: Shocked he is highly thought of. While he fires off the snap and can really bury a guy on running plays, he is very inconsistent at firing off the ball. He is big but shows only mediocre strength and really doesn't square his man. His pass blocking is ugly. Gets beat easily and is 50/50 on if he can recover with a reach blocking. Physically, he's everything you want, but to me, he's the tackle version of Cam Erving.

Cody Ford: Plays almost exactly like the RT version of Andre Dillard. I 1000% believe he is going to be a LT in the NFL and, quite frankly, don't understand why he wasn't at LT at Oklahoma. He's so incredibly talented, plays with good technique and good stance. Keeps his man in front of him at all times and plays with good, not functional, strength. Doesn't give ground at all in the passing game when faced with a strong pass rusher. In the running game, he shows good power and awareness of how to seal his man. He is much more of a technical player than you would expect with the amount of strength he plays with. He should be a top 10 pick.

Edge-
Jachai Polite: High energy and very athletic. Has good bend around the edge and a decent amount of moves. Occasionally uses a bull rush and can get by using this philosophy at times. Good tackler and when he disrupts the pocket, he naturally goes for the ball. Not the most impressive athletic specimen nor is he a great technician, but he's just very good at getting to the QB. Sets the edge inconsistently and will need to work on that at the next level.

Clelin Ferrell: Strong, well build with a HUGE wingspan. He's impressive looking and uses his strength very well. Does a good job of strong arming the tackle to create pressure. Holds the edge well and can stack and shed very well, good to diagnose the run and can get in the backfield. Issues with bending around the edge, seems to be a very stiff athlete. As an edge, he doesn't get to the backfield fast, and if he does it's done with more technique than as an athlete. Reminds me of Chubb from last year, but not as athletic.

Montez Sweat: Another strong, well built player with a huge wingspan. Much like Ferrell, he is a player who plays primarily on strength to get the job done. Unlike Ferrell, his technique isn't quite as good and at times and I don't think Sweat is quite as strong. He is stiff and doesn't really bend the edge as a pass rusher. I think with Ferrell, both of these guys will have to really bring it at the combine. Ferrell will probably still be drafted high, but with Sweat it could be vital to making the top 15.

Zach Allen: Kind of squaty or a dumpy body type. He is a relentless pass rusher who uses multiple moves on his way to the QB. Plays with a speed and purpose, his moves are fast and usually done with a good amount of strength behind them. His swim move is nasty and has a spin move that can rip a man in half. I'm not sure how athletic he really is, but when I watch him, I can see him as an either or player. Could be an interior guy, but I think he'll stick on the edge. He knows how to get into passing lanes and knock down passes. I'm concerned about his athletic ability but if he turns out to be more athletic and can play on the edge, I'm really excited about his potential.

Brian Burns: Freak athlete with a wing span the size of a 4 lane high way. His speed is truly outstanding and his frame could easily add 10 pounds and he would become an absolute force. His speed rush was nearly impossible to stop at the college level, as Burns will likely destroy the combine. He plays his lane well in the running game and does a good job of setting the edge. My biggest issue is that he lacks a real pass rush move. He can bend really well and gets around the edge with ease in college, but when they overset and stopped that, he wasn't always effective. He attempted a few moves with various amounts of success. I fear that he could become Mingo if he's not careful, so the team that drafts him needs to be invested in teaching and getting him slightly bigger. If he is there at 17, he is a must pick, could be a total game changer off the edge with Garrett.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Ok guys, round 2 for prospects, with OT and Edge up. My last grouping will be WR and CB's. I'll review guys if you think I missed someone or if you want me to do someone else.

OT-
Greg Little: Big guy who is clearly athletic and able to get to spots fast. When he breaks out of his stance clean, he is hard to beat because of his length. He has all the potential in the world as a mobile big guy. Does a good job when locating his man during passing plays. Now for the bad: he is, at the moment, just a body. People see the big, hulking body, but I see an uncoordinated young player. I also see someone who is not as strong as one would think for his size. Totally useless as a pulling run blocker, typically turns into John Travolta in Pulp Fiction looking for someone. He fails to locate anyone and usually finds himself in space with nothing to do, effectively taking himself out of the play. He can easily get to the second level but often gets shed easily. He never really saw an elite pass rusher, but he tends to get reachy when he gets beat. He is a big ball of clay that would require quite the risk to take him at 17.

Jonah Williams: Really short arms. I'm not one to really notice this on just pure game tape, but its very noticeable. I'm not sure he's a tackle. Tends to over set at the snap and makes him extremely susceptible to the inside rush. He does this because his short arms, he cannot afford to be beaten athletically on the pass rush or he is dead. Absolute mauler at the point of the attack. He's clearly very strong and wipes his man out when he gets his hands on him. I'm not sure, but I think he's a center at the next level, personally. He could probably play guard as well, but I think the way he plays is best suited at center. He's one hell of a run blocker who, if he stays on the exterior in the NFL, is going to need perfect technique.

Dalton Risner: Did not play at LT for a majority of this year. Was mostly at RT. Understandable when you watch his tape, he has a very particular set of skills. He is a strong guy who is talented at run blocking but is inconsistent at pass blocking. He is shockingly good at getting to the second level, and manages to get his body in a good position. When he gets his hands on a guy in run blocking, he usually takes his man out of the play. His problem is that he is easily fooled on blitzes, and is defeated by speed very easily. He's interesting, but I just don't see the fit in Cleveland.

Andre Dillard: An extremely mobile LT. He plays with choppy feet and a good base. He maintains his ability to stay square and doesn't reach, even against speed rushers. He has, at least, functional strength and was good enough in run blocking although they did that very little at Wash St. He is a very refined prospect who might not have the ceiling to become a Joe Thomas, but I think he is talented enough to step in and start right away.

Jawaan Taylor: Shocked he is highly thought of. While he fires off the snap and can really bury a guy on running plays, he is very inconsistent at firing off the ball. He is big but shows only mediocre strength and really doesn't square his man. His pass blocking is ugly. Gets beat easily and is 50/50 on if he can recover with a reach blocking. Physically, he's everything you want, but to me, he's the tackle version of Cam Erving.

Cody Ford: Plays almost exactly like the RT version of Andre Dillard. I 1000% believe he is going to be a LT in the NFL and, quite frankly, don't understand why he wasn't at LT at Oklahoma. He's so incredibly talented, plays with good technique and good stance. Keeps his man in front of him at all times and plays with good, not functional, strength. Doesn't give ground at all in the passing game when faced with a strong pass rusher. In the running game, he shows good power and awareness of how to seal his man. He is much more of a technical player than you would expect with the amount of strength he plays with. He should be a top 10 pick.

Edge-
Jachai Polite: High energy and very athletic. Has good bend around the edge and a decent amount of moves. Occasionally uses a bull rush and can get by using this philosophy at times. Good tackler and when he disrupts the pocket, he naturally goes for the ball. Not the most impressive athletic specimen nor is he a great technician, but he's just very good at getting to the QB. Sets the edge inconsistently and will need to work on that at the next level.

Clelin Ferrell: Strong, well build with a HUGE wingspan. He's impressive looking and uses his strength very well. Does a good job of strong arming the tackle to create pressure. Holds the edge well and can stack and shed very well, good to diagnose the run and can get in the backfield. Issues with bending around the edge, seems to be a very stiff athlete. As an edge, he doesn't get to the backfield fast, and if he does it's done with more technique than as an athlete. Reminds me of Chubb from last year, but not as athletic.

Montez Sweat: Another strong, well built player with a huge wingspan. Much like Ferrell, he is a player who plays primarily on strength to get the job done. Unlike Ferrell, his technique isn't quite as good and at times and I don't think Sweat is quite as strong. He is stiff and doesn't really bend the edge as a pass rusher. I think with Ferrell, both of these guys will have to really bring it at the combine. Ferrell will probably still be drafted high, but with Sweat it could be vital to making the top 15.

Zach Allen: Kind of squaty or a dumpy body type. He is a relentless pass rusher who uses multiple moves on his way to the QB. Plays with a speed and purpose, his moves are fast and usually done with a good amount of strength behind them. His swim move is nasty and has a spin move that can rip a man in half. I'm not sure how athletic he really is, but when I watch him, I can see him as an either or player. Could be an interior guy, but I think he'll stick on the edge. He knows how to get into passing lanes and knock down passes. I'm concerned about his athletic ability but if he turns out to be more athletic and can play on the edge, I'm really excited about his potential.

Brian Burns: Freak athlete with a wing span the size of a 4 lane high way. His speed is truly outstanding and his frame could easily add 10 pounds and he would become an absolute force. His speed rush was nearly impossible to stop at the college level, as Burns will likely destroy the combine. He plays his lane well in the running game and does a good job of setting the edge. My biggest issue is that he lacks a real pass rush move. He can bend really well and gets around the edge with ease in college, but when they overset and stopped that, he wasn't always effective. He attempted a few moves with various amounts of success. I fear that he could become Mingo if he's not careful, so the team that drafts him needs to be invested in teaching and getting him slightly bigger. If he is there at 17, he is a must pick, could be a total game changer off the edge with Garrett.

TL/DR please.

 

[AZ_]

Ok guys, round 2 for prospects, with OT and Edge up. My last grouping will be WR and CB's. I'll review guys if you think I missed someone or if you want me to do someone else.

OT-
Greg Little: Big guy who is clearly athletic and able to get to spots fast. When he breaks out of his stance clean, he is hard to beat because of his length. He has all the potential in the world as a mobile big guy. Does a good job when locating his man during passing plays. Now for the bad: he is, at the moment, just a body. People see the big, hulking body, but I see an uncoordinated young player. I also see someone who is not as strong as one would think for his size. Totally useless as a pulling run blocker, typically turns into John Travolta in Pulp Fiction looking for someone. He fails to locate anyone and usually finds himself in space with nothing to do, effectively taking himself out of the play. He can easily get to the second level but often gets shed easily. He never really saw an elite pass rusher, but he tends to get reachy when he gets beat. He is a big ball of clay that would require quite the risk to take him at 17.

Jonah Williams: Really short arms. I'm not one to really notice this on just pure game tape, but its very noticeable. I'm not sure he's a tackle. Tends to over set at the snap and makes him extremely susceptible to the inside rush. He does this because his short arms, he cannot afford to be beaten athletically on the pass rush or he is dead. Absolute mauler at the point of the attack. He's clearly very strong and wipes his man out when he gets his hands on him. I'm not sure, but I think he's a center at the next level, personally. He could probably play guard as well, but I think the way he plays is best suited at center. He's one hell of a run blocker who, if he stays on the exterior in the NFL, is going to need perfect technique.

Dalton Risner: Did not play at LT for a majority of this year. Was mostly at RT. Understandable when you watch his tape, he has a very particular set of skills. He is a strong guy who is talented at run blocking but is inconsistent at pass blocking. He is shockingly good at getting to the second level, and manages to get his body in a good position. When he gets his hands on a guy in run blocking, he usually takes his man out of the play. His problem is that he is easily fooled on blitzes, and is defeated by speed very easily. He's interesting, but I just don't see the fit in Cleveland.

Andre Dillard: An extremely mobile LT. He plays with choppy feet and a good base. He maintains his ability to stay square and doesn't reach, even against speed rushers. He has, at least, functional strength and was good enough in run blocking although they did that very little at Wash St. He is a very refined prospect who might not have the ceiling to become a Joe Thomas, but I think he is talented enough to step in and start right away.

Jawaan Taylor: Shocked he is highly thought of. While he fires off the snap and can really bury a guy on running plays, he is very inconsistent at firing off the ball. He is big but shows only mediocre strength and really doesn't square his man. His pass blocking is ugly. Gets beat easily and is 50/50 on if he can recover with a reach blocking. Physically, he's everything you want, but to me, he's the tackle version of Cam Erving.

Cody Ford: Plays almost exactly like the RT version of Andre Dillard. I 1000% believe he is going to be a LT in the NFL and, quite frankly, don't understand why he wasn't at LT at Oklahoma. He's so incredibly talented, plays with good technique and good stance. Keeps his man in front of him at all times and plays with good, not functional, strength. Doesn't give ground at all in the passing game when faced with a strong pass rusher. In the running game, he shows good power and awareness of how to seal his man. He is much more of a technical player than you would expect with the amount of strength he plays with. He should be a top 10 pick.

Edge-
Jachai Polite: High energy and very athletic. Has good bend around the edge and a decent amount of moves. Occasionally uses a bull rush and can get by using this philosophy at times. Good tackler and when he disrupts the pocket, he naturally goes for the ball. Not the most impressive athletic specimen nor is he a great technician, but he's just very good at getting to the QB. Sets the edge inconsistently and will need to work on that at the next level.

Clelin Ferrell: Strong, well build with a HUGE wingspan. He's impressive looking and uses his strength very well. Does a good job of strong arming the tackle to create pressure. Holds the edge well and can stack and shed very well, good to diagnose the run and can get in the backfield. Issues with bending around the edge, seems to be a very stiff athlete. As an edge, he doesn't get to the backfield fast, and if he does it's done with more technique than as an athlete. Reminds me of Chubb from last year, but not as athletic.

Montez Sweat: Another strong, well built player with a huge wingspan. Much like Ferrell, he is a player who plays primarily on strength to get the job done. Unlike Ferrell, his technique isn't quite as good and at times and I don't think Sweat is quite as strong. He is stiff and doesn't really bend the edge as a pass rusher. I think with Ferrell, both of these guys will have to really bring it at the combine. Ferrell will probably still be drafted high, but with Sweat it could be vital to making the top 15.

Zach Allen: Kind of squaty or a dumpy body type. He is a relentless pass rusher who uses multiple moves on his way to the QB. Plays with a speed and purpose, his moves are fast and usually done with a good amount of strength behind them. His swim move is nasty and has a spin move that can rip a man in half. I'm not sure how athletic he really is, but when I watch him, I can see him as an either or player. Could be an interior guy, but I think he'll stick on the edge. He knows how to get into passing lanes and knock down passes. I'm concerned about his athletic ability but if he turns out to be more athletic and can play on the edge, I'm really excited about his potential.

Brian Burns: Freak athlete with a wing span the size of a 4 lane high way. His speed is truly outstanding and his frame could easily add 10 pounds and he would become an absolute force. His speed rush was nearly impossible to stop at the college level, as Burns will likely destroy the combine. He plays his lane well in the running game and does a good job of setting the edge. My biggest issue is that he lacks a real pass rush move. He can bend really well and gets around the edge with ease in college, but when they overset and stopped that, he wasn't always effective. He attempted a few moves with various amounts of success. I fear that he could become Mingo if he's not careful, so the team that drafts him needs to be invested in teaching and getting him slightly bigger. If he is there at 17, he is a must pick, could be a total game changer off the edge with Garrett.

No Josh Allen, or did you add him in with the LBs?

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

No Josh Allen, or did you add him in with the LBs?

I was trying to only do guys who might reasonably be there when the Browns pick, although I'm not sure if Burns is still possible for the Browns.

Josh Allen is easy, though. Big, strong, fast, not a lot of moves but he doesnt need them at the moment because he is unblockable. Hes the best Edge in the draft, IMO.

 

[blommen]

I was trying to only do guys who might reasonably be there when the Browns pick, although I'm not sure if Burns is still possible for the Browns.

Josh Allen is easy, though. Big, strong, fast, not a lot of moves but he doesnt need them at the moment because he is unblockable. Hes the best Edge in the draft, IMO.

Better than Bosa? I'm not disagreeing, but it seems Bosa is pretty comfortably considered the EDGE by most outlets. What do you see in Allen that pushes him past Bosa?

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Better than Bosa? I'm not disagreeing, but it seems Bosa is pretty comfortably considered the EDGE by most outlets. What do you see in Allen that pushes him past Bosa?

A few things:

Josh Allen was super productive at Kentucky. Bosa show some production but he never truly stood out over some of the others production wise.

I suspect Allen will crush the combine. Not sure Bosa will test as well as his brother.

After that? It's all just prediction

 

[Real Deal]

The parents of Deebo obviously love the movie Friday!

 

[Juice is Loose]

The parents of Deebo obviously love the movie Friday!

Per his Wikipedia, his father named him after the character lol. The kid is also 23 years old

 

[raiders91sc]

A few things:

Josh Allen was super productive at Kentucky. Bosa show some production but he never truly stood out over some of the others production wise.

I suspect Allen will crush the combine. Not sure Bosa will test as well as his brother.

After that? It's all just prediction

Some now are calling Allen the best D prospect in draft. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes 1. Bosa's brothers injuries and his own could make teams think hard about him. A lot a scouts like the younger Bosa better because he is a little more flexible and fast twitch then brother but not as strong.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Some now are calling Allen the best D prospect in draft. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes 1. Bosa's brothers injuries and his own could make teams think hard about him. A lot a scouts like the younger Bosa better because he is a little more flexible and fast twitch then brother but not as strong.

I would say if Nick Bosa had the last name Williams, he wouldn't get half the hype. He's not the technician that his brother is, he isn't as strong as Joey, and he isn't all that athletic.

Give me Q. Williams and Josh Allen over Nick Bosa every day.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Per his Wikipedia, his father named him after the character lol. The kid is also 23 years old

We need Gerald McNeil to work with his route tree on a Friday afternoon.

 

[AZ_]