#25: ATH, Jabrill Peppers

[Pick6]

Gregggggggg playing a super soft zone every 3rd down is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

And doing it in that situation is inexplicable.

I think Ward allowed 1 catch in man coverage yesterday for like 10 yards. Good try tho

Looks like man to me per @Los216 post.

 

[Los216]

Looks like man to me per @Los216 post.

That was man and zone. If it was true man coverage then Ward would've been contacting him at the line and not retreating 20 yards back. Man coverage would've threw off the timing of that route and maybe forced Jamies to look elsewhere.

 

[Ohio]

Looks like man to me per @Los216 post.

He was 15 yards off the LOS before the snap lmao

It's just another pathetic display of our coaching. You have to know that Tampa is going to try to get yards to setup a FG. They didn't need the 1st down. Sooo we play our corners 20 yards deep and safeties 30 yards deep. And go figure, they got 15 yards. Didn't send any pressure either, just played it like it was a Hail Mary

 

[Pick6]

That was man and zone. If it was true man coverage then Ward would've been contacting him at the line and not retreating 20 yards back. Man coverage would've threw off the timing of that route and maybe forced Jamies to look elsewhere.

One defender can't be playing a "man and zone". What you're referring to is press man. Ward was playing soft man, presumably to not get beat deep and keep the ball in front of him.

 

[Los216]

He was 15 yards off the LOS before the snap lmao

It's just another pathetic display of our coaching. You have to know that Tampa is going to try to get yards to setup a FG. They didn't need the 1st down. Sooo we play our corners 20 yards deep and safeties 30 yards deep. And go figure, they got 15 yards. Didn't send any pressure either, just played it like it was a Hail Mary

Yup. If the goal of that play was to prevent a first down then they did a great job. Unfortunately the goal should've been to keep them out of FG range. Any coach worth his salt should now this......

 

[Los216]

One defender can't be playing a "man and zone". What you're referring to is press man. Ward was playing soft man, presumably to not get beat deep and keep the ball in front of him.

Ward was never playing man. He ran into a zone coverage. All of the other defenders were up in man coverage and Jamies went to the one receiver who was being coved 1 on 1. Just rewatch the play. Literally every receiver is being played straight up except for Jackson and because of that Jamies went straight to him.

 

[Pick6]

Ward was never playing man. He ran into a zone coverage. All of the other defenders were up in man coverage and Jamies went to the one receiver who was being coved 1 on 1. Just rewatch the play. Literally every receiver is being played straight up except for Jackson and because of that Jamies went straight to him.

Its clearly a Cover 2 man to me with Ward playing soft coverage instead of press. He literally ran with him when he went in motion. I suppose it could have been trying to disguise something, but BBC literally being right there with him tells me it was a Cover 2 man. No coach in the NFL runs any type of zone with multiple players going to the same zone.

Man or not, Ward is the one who got beat and that is on him. I don't have my pitchfork out over it. Ward is a boss. I'm just not shocked to see everyone come in here and kill Peppers over the fumble and I'm going to call out the double standard. Our D had them at 3rd and 29 way out of FG range and we let them catch a pass to get in range, which ended the game. Peppers needs to not fumble it, but lets chill with saying one play cost us the game. We shouldn't have even been in that position as team with a +3 turnover margin. Same story, different game.

 

[Los216]

Its clearly a Cover 2 man to me with Ward playing soft coverage instead of press. He literally ran with him when he went in motion. I suppose it could have been trying to disguise something, but BBC literally being right there with him tells me it was a Cover 2 man. No coach in the NFL runs any type of zone with multiple players going to the same zone.

Man or not, Ward is the one who got beat and that is on him. I don't have my pitchfork out over it. Ward is a boss. I'm just not shocked to see everyone come in here and kill Peppers over the fumble and I'm going to call out the double standard. Our D had them at 3rd and 29 way out of FG range and we let them catch a pass to get in range, which ended the game. Peppers needs to not fumble it, but lets chill with saying one play cost us the game. We shouldn't have even been in that position as team with a +3 turnover margin. Same story, different game.

Ward didn't get beat. He did his job. His job was to keep his man in front of him and not let him get the first down. The problem isn't with the players on this one. It's the play call.

 

[Ohio]

Ward was playing soft man, presumably to not get beat deep and keep the ball in front of him.

Which is exactly what he did...

Man or not, Ward is the one who got beat and that is on him.

You don't "get beat" when you do what is asked of you.

This was a coaching problem, not an execution problem. If the goal was to prevent them from gaining yards, then you don't play it like a Hail Mary.

 

[buzzdog]

Lot of blame assigning here on Peppers specifically.

Prior to that, all these things happened late:

In regulation, we stalled a goal to go drive with miserable play calling and then got stuffed on 4th.

In OT the offense won the toss and proceeded to put themselves 20 yards behind the chains. Then on 3rd and 6, our best pickup play was apparently an out route to our TE?

After Collins INT, the offense needed to merely gain 8-9 yards for a make-able FG. We instead went 3 plays for 0 yards and punted.

Following the Peppers fumble, the Defense pushed the Bucs back WELL out of FG range.....and then Williams surrendered a 14 yard pass play by rushing 4 and playing a soft zone with our safeties 25 yards off the line of scrimmage. Every d-coordinator worth anything AT LEAST rushes one player there in an effort to avoid time for a 15 yard deep out.

The above illustrates a lot of people (coaches, players) just not getting it done. The Peppers play specifically was just someone trying to make a play, late in a game, where we had sputtered multiple times with good field position. Even so, the defense put the team in a position to get the ball back and then the defensive staff got conservative and gave them the 5% chance to make that FG.

Nailed it.

 

[The Voice]

Don't see too many people in the Hue Jackson thread calling for him to be retained tbh... Same with Haley. Think Browns fans have stopped accepting those things.

Sorry, but a lot of that falls on the QB and the players executing. I still have yet to see anyone in his thread saying anything. Peppers makes one bad play and it’s a constant.

 

[Soda]

Up to a 69.9 on PFF (above average). Also, JP raised his number of defensive snaps to 66, 46 of those snaps being in pass coverage.

 

[Ohio]

Up to a 69.9 on PFF (above average). Also, JP raised his number of defensive snaps to 66, 46 of those snaps being in pass coverage.

Last game may have actually dropped his overall rating I think. I was surprised to see he wasn't a top 5 graded defender in that game, especially considering #5 only had a 73.7 rating. Thought Peppers played a pretty good game defensively, short of getting Moss'ed by OJ Howard one time (but that shit happens).

 

[Ohio]

That hit though. Saved a TD.

 

[FiveThous]

That hit though. Saved a TD.

CLE PD has been called to the stadium for attempted murder.