A dream deal if NO continues to suck real hard.

[johnnycake44022]

Paul has 3 seasons (including this year) on his contract. So, the hornets really are in the driver's seat. But if he loudly demanded a trade to cleveland (who could blame him at this point) I think other teams would think twice about trading away draft picks and their best players for a guy that may leave after two years. Granted, they would have his bird rights and could in theory build a team around him/convince him, so it may be worth it.

Its a pipe dream but its fun to imagine.

 

[nime]

If West is our 2nd option we aren't going to get far... He is shooting 41% and plays with the best PG in the NBA. He is 29 years old and age is starting to show already. I'd rather keep Hickson and trade Z for a young center or SG.

Hickson + Young Center or a SG > West Thats not even counting Hickson's upside...

Reminded of the "we are crazy to deal Delonte for Amare" posts last Feb.
C'mon now, David West is a legit 18 and 8-9reb guy.

His jumper is legit. He is a stretch 4 and would work great next to Shaq.
Bryon Scott taught that team how to play defense.

David West for JJ, Z is a no brainer.

The fact Cleveland had West going to GS and an ok from the team leaders shows you where West stands. We have no idea what his impact might be cuz he might not play.

Posey gives the team another strong defender who can hit a spot up jumper off the bench. Julian Wright becomes a pet project for LeBron.

In addition, New Orleans could be a team that buys out Z and allows Cleveland to bring him back. That owner wants the expiring contract.

 

[MoFlo]

Reminded of the "we are crazy to deal Delonte for Amare" posts last Feb.
C'mon now, David West is a legit 18 and 8-9reb guy.

His jumper is legit. He is a stretch 4 and would work great next to Shaq.
Bryon Scott taught that team how to play defense.

David West for JJ, Z is a no brainer.

The fact Cleveland had West going to GS and an ok from the team leaders shows you where West stands. We have no idea what his impact might be cuz he might not play.

Posey gives the team another strong defender who can hit a spot up jumper off the bench. Julian Wright becomes a pet project for LeBron.

In addition, New Orleans could be a team that buys out Z and allows Cleveland to bring him back. That owner wants the expiring contract.

David West is averaging 14.7 points & 6.8 rebounds per game in 35.4 minutes per game from the power forward spot on a team where he's currently the 2nd option.

He'd be getting less shots here w/ Mo, LBJ, Shaq & our spot up shooters than he currently is getting there.

 

[nime]

David West is averaging 14.7 points & 6.8 rebounds per game in 35.4 minutes per game from the power forward spot on a team where he's currently the 2nd option.

He'd be getting less shots here w/ Mo, LBJ, Shaq & our spot up shooters than he currently is getting there.

His minutes and shots are down. Thats why his pts are down.
He has been around or above 18 and 8 the last 4 years.

I'd love a strong rebounder with 12-14 pts from our PF. West gives what JJ doesn't.
A rebounder, defensive player, and a guy that will hit the jumper consistently.

Getting West for that package is a Gasol like steal for Cleveland.

 

[Creamy]

His minutes and shots are down. Thats why his pts are down.
He has been around or above 18 and 8 the last 4 years.

I'd love a strong rebounder with 12-14 pts from our PF. West gives what JJ doesn't.
A rebounder, defensive player, and a guy that will hit the jumper consistently.

Getting West for that package is a Gasol like steal for Cleveland.

First off his points are down beacuse he is shooting 41% FG...

West isn't even close to as good as Gasol. We don't need a rebounder when we have Shaq and Lebron. Hickson just needs to keep working on boxing out and Lebron will snag the board more often then not.

Plus West is known to be not a great rebounder and your saying he is a strong rebounder which makes me think you have no fucking clue what your talking about.

If cavs think they need another PF i'd rather keep hickson and just give Z and a pick for Murphy that is a better shooter and is a legit rebounder.

 

[Triumph36]

If West is our 2nd option we aren't going to get far... He is shooting 41% and plays with the best PG in the NBA. He is 29 years old and age is starting to show already. I'd rather keep Hickson and trade Z for a young center or SG.

Hickson + Young Center or a SG > West Thats not even counting Hickson's upside...

rofl, ya since Mo being the 2nd option worked out so well last year, right?

so how many young centers or SGs are available, that we could actually get without being outbid?

oh right...there are very few.

David West is averaging 14.7 points & 6.8 rebounds per game in 35.4 minutes per game from the power forward spot on a team where he's currently the 2nd option.

He'd be getting less shots here w/ Mo, LBJ, Shaq & our spot up shooters than he currently is getting there.

I really wonder when 15 and 7 became numbers that weren't good enough.

His minutes and shots are down. Thats why his pts are down.
He has been around or above 18 and 8 the last 4 years.

I'd love a strong rebounder with 12-14 pts from our PF. West gives what JJ doesn't.
A rebounder, defensive player, and a guy that will hit the jumper consistently.

Getting West for that package is a Gasol like steal for Cleveland.

Now this I don't agree with. Yeah, the Hornets wouldn't be getting equal value....but it's not as bad as the Gasol trade IMO.

I realize West is regressing a bit (which I said a few weeks ago in another thread) but he's not THAT old (just turned 29). His regression could have been sped up a bit because he had to be relied upon to put up big numbers/play big minutes for so long. He wouldn't have to do that in Cleveland though.

I swear some of you guys are ridiculous (not directed at you nime). You think we should get some 24 year old perennial all-star without giving up anything. Come on.

 

[Creamy]

rofl, ya since Mo being the 2nd option worked out so well last year, right?

so how many young centers or SGs are available, that we could actually get without being outbid?

oh right...there are very few.

Seeing the deadline isn't for about 4 months its kinda hard to tell isn't it? Okafor and Kaman are a few of the young centers that could be had for Z and picks. Who knows who else will be sellers at the deadline as well.

If you want to just go ahead and act like you know whats going to be on the table in 4 months how about we just say JJ is putting up 20 and 7 everynight. Since we don't want to use facts..

 

[nime]

Seeing the deadline isn't for about 4 months its kinda hard to tell isn't it? Okafor and Kaman are a few of the young centers that could be had for Z and picks. Who knows who else will be sellers at the deadline as well.

If you want to just go ahead and act like you know whats going to be on the table in 4 months how about we just say JJ is putting up 20 and 7 everynight. Since we don't want to use facts..

Why is LA trading Kaman?

Camby is getting up in age. Why not keep all 3 anyway?

Why the hell are they giving up Kaman for Z and picks?
Kaman was an option last year when they still had that stiff in Memphis.
Now that he is gone. Kaman is going nowhere.

Hickson isn't a 20 and 7 player. The guy he is guarding might be a 20 and 10 guy when the night is over. Hickson is a 12 and 2-4 guy currently.

And Hickson has zero playoff experience. West on the other hand has playoff experience. Trade Hickson at high value and you bring in an all-star to keep LBJ past 2010.

 

[Creamy]

Why is LA trading Kaman?

Camby is getting up in age. Why not keep all 3 anyway?

Why the hell are they giving up Kaman for Z and picks?
Kaman was an option last year when they still had that stiff in Memphis.
Now that he is gone. Kaman is going nowhere.

Hickson isn't a 20 and 7 player. The guy he is guarding might be a 20 and 10 guy when the night is over. Hickson is a 12 and 2-4 guy currently.

And Hickson has zero playoff experience. West on the other hand has playoff experience. Trade Hickson at high value and you bring in an all-star to keep LBJ past 2010.

Why did they offer Ben for Kaman this offseason? Who knows. But if they are losing like they are they might look to trade him..

West is not a all-star

West doesn't play good D as well So trying to say Hickson's D is bad is mute.

West isn't someone that will keep Lebron here if anything I would think Lebron wouldn't agree to give up Hickson for West...... West here would be a 4th option behind Lebron, Shaq and Mo.


I don't think you get that West isn't a Gasol. You act like West is a all-star/superstar when he isn't.

 

[Triumph36]

Why did they offer Ben for Kaman this offseason? Who knows. But if they are losing like they are they might look to trade him..

West is not a all-star

West doesn't play good D as well So trying to say Hickson's D is bad is mute.

West isn't someone that will keep Lebron here if anything I would think Lebron wouldn't agree to give up Hickson for West...... West here would be a 4th option behind Lebron, Shaq and Mo.


I don't think you get that West isn't a Gasol. You act like West is a all-star/superstar when he isn't.

West isn't someone that would keep LeBron here? Hah. Yes, I'm sure LeBron wants to waste years waiting around for JJ to develop, right. Why would he want a quality contributor that can and WILL put up solid numbers for the next 2-3 years????

So what option would Troy Murphy be?

 

[Creamy]

West isn't someone that would keep LeBron here? Hah. Yes, I'm sure LeBron wants to waste years waiting around for JJ to develop, right. Why would he want a quality contributor that can and WILL put up solid numbers for the next 2-3 years????

So what option would Troy Murphy be?

Ok i'm done with you..


West = Gasol

 

[rabman_gold]

uh, we get a legit 2nd option in West to basically give the team its best starting lineup ever.

Mo, Parker, LBJ, West, Shaq

And then we take a look at our bench and we have

Gibson, Moon, Posey, Powe, and AV.

Also the team would have Danny Green, Julian Wright as 11 and 12 guys to develop with LBJ.

Not sure what you are thinking, but that is the best 10man in Cleveland's history and would instantly give the Cavs the beat chance to win it all this year. It would keep LBJ here with Mo and West coming back next year.

I make this trade without even thinking about it.

nime... you're assuming that Leon Powe is going to recover this season. If he doesn't, we're relying on 3 big people to play every game or risk having to play Shaq, AV, or West 40 minutes a night for each game a player misses.

I'm not convinced that Moon should become a shooting guard on this roster. He's very big and we're going to be taken advantage of sooner or later in a matchup as the season wears on (by a Kobe, Joe Johnson, Wade, etc.). And you realize that Posey has fallen off this season, right? This isn't 2008 or even 2009. He's having the Donyell Marshall effect, unfortunately. And just because he'll take the 6-12 minutes behind LeBron isn't necessarily an excuse to have him with all the other swingmen glut (6+ guys 6'6" to 6'8")...

The main prize, David West, is a good player to have, but you can't assume he's not going to fall off at some point. He's become more regulated to being a jump shooter, but is that still a reason to go pick him up? His rebounding may go back up, but what won't go back up is his youth. Going on 30. Haven't we already tried having a jump shooter past 30 with Donyell and Z?

There comes a time when you make a good trade or you relinquish your assets to get a desired player... David West, as great of a scorer and rebounder he is, isn't considered the latter, wouldn't you agree (is he a franchise player?). Moving an expiring, a young prospect, and a potential rotation player-when-healthy for a decent support player and garbage. That's not considered a good trade in my opinion...

I know one thing for certain... even if that avenue was available, we both know that Ferry won't make that deal because it's not in favor of us. The intention is good, but I'm not convinced David West is the clear surefire for the "best starting lineup ever". That's reserved for getting a Chris Bosh talent, not someone who's fed off another player's attention (see: Ilgauskas, Zydrunas for 14 points per game with LeBron from 2003-2009)...

Besides, if David West was talented enough to get fed from LeBron's attention, clearly J.J. can do the same thing, right? Neither aren't high level defenders either...

 

[MoFlo]

West isn't someone that would keep LeBron here? Hah. Yes, I'm sure LeBron wants to waste years waiting around for JJ to develop, right. Why would he want a quality contributor that can and WILL put up solid numbers for the next 2-3 years????

So what option would Troy Murphy be?

So why do you think LeBron worked so hard with J.J in the off-season? I have a feeling it has more to do with LeBron wanting J.J to grow so he can contribute to the Cavs more so than him wanting J.J to grow so he can get traded for a guy that may or may not put us over the top.

 

[-Akronite-]

West is not a all-star

And neither is Mo in your logic. Actually, Mo barely made the All-Star team and earned it IMO while West has gotten there twice.

West doesn't play good D as well So trying to say Hickson's D is bad is mute.

The word is moot. Oh, and if I was choosing between a 2-time all star stretch forward and a sophomore who's been force fed three good games, guess who I choose.

West isn't someone that will keep Lebron here if anything I would think Lebron wouldn't agree to give up Hickson for West...... West here would be a 4th option behind Lebron, Shaq and Mo.

Hickson is not the difference between LBJ staying and going, a championship probably is. David West is a player that could boost this team to win it all possibly, not sure about young JJ.

I don't think you get that West isn't a Gasol. You act like West is a all-star/superstar when he isn't.

He is an all-star, just not a superstar. If the only way we are willing to improve is by adding a superstar, we won't improve. At this point Mo and Shaq aren't anywhere near superstardom, but they have easily made this team more formidable.

In all honesty, I love JJ's development and I don't think David West is anything to slobber over. But, he seems like a great fit if we can continue to improve defensively throughout the season as a team. I'm torn as to what I'd be willing to give up for West, so I'll just continue day-dreaming of a dream deal that brings CP3 along with him so I don't have to worry about it.

I agree with how you feel for the most part Creamy, just didn't like the way it was presented.

 

[B Mac]

If you want to just go ahead and act like you know whats going to be on the table in 4 months how about we just say JJ is putting up 20 and 7 everynight. Since we don't want to use facts..

This is what we have to hope for if we really want teams to consider trading their franchise player for him. If JJ starts putting up those numbers every night though you really have to start asking yourself if its worth it to move him.