Amare Stoudemire - Lights Out

[Benny08302]

Re: Amare Stoudemire

People are acting like they know the guy. I remember Mo getting a bad rep from Buck's media people. It was said that he was not a good teammate and was very selfish. Look what happen when he came here, the guy just wants to do what he can for this team can win.

I remember weeks back, Amare reportedly saying he would like to play with Lebron or Bosh. So i'm pretty sure he knows he would share the spot light. And just imagine what kind of defender he can become playing under MB. I would give up Andy and JJ for him in a heartbeat. I think he would become more of a beast playing with Bron and Mo. The guy doesn't need 20-25 shots to get his because he shoots such a high percentage. And imo i wouldn't see nothing wrong with another player coming in getting 18-20 per if he is that productive. I'm sure Bron wouldn't mind it either, just adds to his chance of becoming a triple double machine imo.

I just think its a no brainer if we had a shot to get him, he is only 26 and we would definitely be the favorites for years and years to come if we got him and Bron locked up long term.

I guess my thing is, Mo was on a losing team. So the fact that he didn't play D or didn't have the right attitude is a little skewed by all the crap players and losing.

Amare has had an all-world point guard next to him for the 5 years. He gets easy shots due to his teammates. I'm not saying he's not a good, even great player, but he doesn't bring it every night (like his 3 point effort against the Celtics. That's unacceptable).

And, like others have stated, his defense is atrocious. Not in the "can't move his feet" atrocious, but "missing cutters and losing his guy" atrocious. He simply doesn't get it, he's a Drew Gooden-esque defensive player.

Plus, in general, I'm wary of any adding any guy who wants to be "The Man".

 

[-Akronite-]

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I guess my thing is, Mo was on a losing team. So the fact that he didn't play D or didn't have the right attitude is a little skewed by all the crap players and losing.

Amare has had an all-world point guard next to him for the 5 years. He gets easy shots due to his teammates. I'm not saying he's not a good, even great player, but he doesn't bring it every night (like his 3 point effort against the Celtics. That's unacceptable).

And, like others have stated, his defense is atrocious. Not in the "can't move his feet" atrocious, but "missing cutters and losing his guy" atrocious. He simply doesn't get it, he's a Drew Gooden-esque defensive player.

Plus, in general, I'm wary of any adding any guy who wants to be "The Man".

Mo was on a losing team that never played defense. Amare is on a winning team that never played defense. If he came here, I think he could eventually become an solid defender.

Anyway, Amare, while not happening, would obviously be great. I mean, a team's choices are:

1. Single coverage on everybody, thus letting LeBron and Amare destroy them.
2. Doubling LeBron or Amare leaving the other one with an easier matchup, and probably leaving Z or wing player to rain wide open jumpshots all game.

LBJ could definitely get closer to averaging a TD when he can zip a pass into Amare instead of fumble fingered Ben. Though, his rebounding may suffer a bit... I could see LeBron putting up the extra effort for the boards though.

 

[abuC]

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And, like others have stated, his defense is atrocious. Not in the "can't move his feet" atrocious, but "missing cutters and losing his guy" atrocious. He simply doesn't get it, he's a Drew Gooden-esque defensive player.

Plus, in general, I'm wary of any adding any guy who wants to be "The Man".

Amare's defense isnt as bad as people make it seem, some of his defensive rotations are poor, but dont place all the blame on him. You have to take into consideration that Amare plays with by far the worst starting defensive PG in the NBA, and has for years, Nash gets beat off the dribble like it's going out of style. He's exposed more on defense because his PG is a turnstyle, and you never hear Nash get the blame for it.


What's wrong with adding a PF that wants to be the man? I can understand if it's a wing player, but all you have to do to keep Amare involved is run high pick and rolls, he's a finisher not a creator. He's not going to take the ball out of LeBrons' hands, he would finish off plays that LeBron would start.

The only problem I would have with Amare is his rebounding, he has poor fundamentals and unlike his defense that would be very hard to correct.

 

[Adam]

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I agree that amare could be made into a good defender within the cavs system. He just doesn't have any fire or passion when he plays. He should be the best 4 in the league but hes not. He put all that effort into coming back from microfracture withour losing any athleticism just to waste it being out rebounded by opposing guards

 

[Megamansilly]

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give up on getting amare and start praying JJ turns into a poor man's amare.

RIGHT now I'd say JJ could be better then amare. JJ already plays D something amare doesnt. give it a few years!!

Amare who?

 

[Zone]

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RIGHT now I'd say JJ could be better then amare. JJ already plays D something amare doesnt. give it a few years!!

Amare who?

Hate to be cynical, but unfortunately we may not have a few years.

There's a lot of talk about STAT being a liability on the defensive end. Aside from this year and Amare's rookie year, D'Antoni has been the Suns coach so I wouldn't expect him to be anywhere close to a decent defensive player. It's never been expected of him.

As to this year, the change in philosophy to have more of a defensive mindset has been a team-wide issue for the Suns.

 

[QuadrupleDouble]

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I don't understand why everyone jocks this guy. He's not the star player he thinks he is and his only real talent is jumping high and dunking. Why don't we just sign one of the other incomplete players that have won a dunk contest recently. Highly overrated player if you ask me.

 

[TheAdmin]

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RIGHT now I'd say JJ could be better then amare. JJ already plays D something amare doesnt. give it a few years!!

Amare who?

Right now JJ looks like a less athletic version of Tyrus Thomas.

 

[Zone]

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I don't understand why everyone jocks this guy. He's not the star player he thinks he is and his only real talent is jumping high and dunking. Why don't we just sign one of the other incomplete players that have won a dunk contest recently. Highly overrated player if you ask me.

LMAO .. yeah, give me Gerald Green or Nate Robinson over Amare all day long :chuckles:

His talent is not just jumping and dunking. The guy is an assassin on the offensive end. His jumper has almost become automatic, andhe's about 83% from the line.

 

[Lyuokdea]

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I'd trade for him in a second....I just don't think it's going to happen, we don't have the type of goods that the Suns would want, and even in a three way deal, the suns getting something like Gerald Wallace, Hickson, and Pavlovic isn't really enough.

Also, this talk about Hickson being at all comparable to Stoudemire is ridiculous. I'd give Hickson about a 10% chance of ever being half as good as Stoudemire is today. Given that Amare is still 26, why the heck wouldn't you dump Hickson to get him.

The only two questions about Amare would be him "wanting to be the guy", and his poor defense. I wouldn't worry about the defense at all, he's athletic enough, so placed on a championship team where he's told that's his focus, he'll be able to turn it on. I'm not sure if he'd want to be in Cleveland, Detroit honestly seems like a much better fit for him.

~Lyuokdea

 

[Radar]

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if i was ferry i would try to influence the suns,but i really doubt they would want expirings....shaq may retire when his contract is over and they dont have much after that(lopez maybe)....if i was trading amare i would want talent

btw,amare going to det will be scary offensively.....it WILL change det's identity if they have any:chuckles:

EDIT-these are the type of deals ferry may be waiting for closer to the deadline

 

[abuC]

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I don't understand why everyone jocks this guy. He's not the star player he thinks he is and his only real talent is jumping high and dunking. Why don't we just sign one of the other incomplete players that have won a dunk contest recently. Highly overrated player if you ask me.

Uh, you're about 4 years late with this post, Amare has a very consistent jumpshot now, anyone who thinks all he can do is jump high and dunk hasnt watched him in the last few seasons.


He's shooting 45% on his jumper, and his shot chart is almost red everywhere.

 

[Radar]

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i dont understand why yall act like he is trash.....he may suck defensively but he is a monster offensively...but then yet,lebron and amare would be amazing together

 

[Benny08302]

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i dont understand why yall act like he is trash.....he may suck defensively but he is a monster offensively...but then yet,lebron and amare would be amazing together

I know the situations aren't entirely the same, but... like Shawn Marion before him, if you can't be happy playing next to pass-happy Steve Nash in beautiful Phoenix, AZ, I question where you CAN be happy (and no, he's not like Marion, but again, I'm wary of adding anyone who wants to be The Guy).

As for his defense, I just don't think he 'gets' it. Meaning, Mike Brown can try all day (like with Drew Gooden), but it just won't click.

(though I'll be honest, there are times where you can watch him and be like, "wait, you're trying to talk people out of aquiring him?!". But then he'll score just 3 points against Boston).

 

[glockcoma]

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I'm not sold on Amare. I think a lot of his stats are empty.A lot of his points are spoonfed from Nash and as mentinoned above, he lacks defense. Would he be a great pickup for Cleveland? Hell yeah, but I think they'll want too much in return for him. IMO, he is not the superstar everyone makes him about to be. Don't get me wrong, he is an all-star talent, I just don't think he could put up the numbers he has been putting up without a PG like Nash.