Amare Stoudemire - Lights Out

[Lyuokdea]

Re: Amare Stoudemire

I'm not sold on Amare. I think a lot of his stats are empty.A lot of his points are spoonfed from Nash and as mentinoned above, he lacks defense. Would he be a great pickup for Cleveland? Hell yeah, but I think they'll want too much in return for him. IMO, he is not the superstar everyone makes him about to be. Don't get me wrong, he is an all-star talent, I just don't think he could put up the numbers he has been putting up without a PG like Nash.

On the other hand, Amare is the kind of guy you want next to James. You look at a guy like Chris Bosh, and as good as he is, teams can attack both him and Lebron simultaneously by just clustering next to the basket. Amare's great jump shot helps keep the spacing alive, allowing both him and Lebron to crash to the hoop.

~Lyuokdea

 

[glockcoma]

Re: Amare Stoudemire

On the other hand, Amare is the kind of guy you want next to James. You look at a guy like Chris Bosh, and as good as he is, teams can attack both him and Lebron simultaneously by just clustering next to the basket. Amare's great jump shot helps keep the spacing alive, allowing both him and Lebron to crash to the hoop.

~Lyuokdea

Are you saying Chris Bosh doesn't have a midrange jumper? Bosh is shooting 49% from the field and his true shooting percentage is 58%. Amare's is still slightly better at 53% from the field and his TS% is 61%, but their midrange game is quite similiar, not too mention that Amare has more talent around him with Nash, Shaq, J Rich, etc.

 

[Da_James_Gang]

Re: Amare Stoudemire

I gotta admit i changed my tune a little since the last time i posted in this thread over a month ago. I have watched a few games recently and i don't know if its because he is not happy there or whatever it is. But he doesn't seem to be giving too much effort at all. But that being said it would still be hard to pass up on him if we had the chance to acquire him.

 

[Walter White]

Re: Amare Stoudemire

Just to settle things ....... I dont understand at all how you wouldnt want this guy. Its like sayin you wouldnt want Lebron because he doesnt play defense (in previous years anyway). Its a no brainer as far as wanting him. Were not gonna get him though because we have nothing Phoenix will want so we wont get Amare.

 

[Walter White]

Re: Amare Stoudemire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZjPnqzq_E0

I gotta play my favorite mix on youtube too..

 

[Mdog1]

Re: Amare Stoudemire

I stil don't really know what to think. I mean I like Amare and all but his lack of focus is just such a turn off. Of course we would be unstoppable with him, and he fills a bigger need then say Gerald Wallace, but we would IMO have to trade big ben for him.

 

[-Akronite-]

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A lot of his points are spoonfed from Nash and as mentinoned above, he lacks defense.

LeBron spoon-feeds our bigs and shooters constantly, wouldn't it be nice to have someone that can finish as well as he can? Not to mention he has the size and athleticism to be a good rebounder (he's almost a double double guy anyway). The fact is that with the attention that LeBron takes would either open up for Amare to destroy teams, or Amare garners enough attention for LeBron to destroy them. We have a great defensive system and a few players that are out there because of their defense almost only.

To say you don't want him if we could get him at a fair price (or because you don't want to lose JJ ) is ridiculous.

We aren't ever getting him though.

 

[Walter White]

Re: Amare Stoudemire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4hjqd7zsgo&feature=related

 

[Silky Smooth]

Re: Amare Stoudemire

Im a big fan of STAT, but i have also seen that he doesnt look like he gives 100% like he used too. Im not sure what that's from but defensively that team is still not good, and offensively they are no where near as efficiant as last year. Steve Nash is a horrible defender and when he is getting beat off the dribble who is looked at to be there to help? Amare is so he ends up having to basicly guard 2 players at once and in the west going against some of the best PF's in the league every game that takes a toll on a person.

If we had the chance to get him and not give up a major core piece my thinking is it's would have to happen. He maybe going through a little slump but eventually you know you will get 20 10 and a beast in the middle.

 

[Megamansilly]

Re: Amare Stoudemire

If all we had to give us was wally, gibson, 09 first, bulls 09 pick and maybe 2011 first I'd do it. I wouldnt trade JJ though. Bigs of Amare, Hickson, Andy would be nice for the next 5 so years. Or if we didnt like Amare we could trade him next season for something and trade that something for bosh at the deadline lol. Amare and James would be hard to beat add Hickson, Mo, West to That. Man thats a very nice starting 5 without MLE's and maybe a Ben trade next deadline.

 

[abuC]

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I know the situations aren't entirely the same, but... like Shawn Marion before him, if you can't be happy playing next to pass-happy Steve Nash in beautiful Phoenix, AZ, I question where you CAN be happy (and no, he's not like Marion, but again, I'm wary of adding anyone who wants to be The Guy).

This is completely different than Marion, Amare is a legitimate 24-28ppg player and has done damage in the half-court. He wasnt complaining when they were winning, he's upset right now because the offense is running through Shaq which is a joke. How many teams has Shaq poisoned with his customary "I need my touches" mantra? I'll admit Amare isnt giving 100% effort, but it's due in large part because Shaq is the feature of the offense, Amare went from being the go to guy, to 2nd or 3rd fiddle now behind two aging dinosaurs that cant bring it nightly.

As for his defense, I just don't think he 'gets' it. Meaning, Mike Brown can try all day (like with Drew Gooden), but it just won't click.

(though I'll be honest, there are times where you can watch him and be like, "wait, you're trying to talk people out of aquiring him?!". But then he'll score just 3 points against Boston).

How can you say he doesnt get it? He's never had a coach on Mike Brown's level when it comes to teaching defense, and he even said D'Antoni only had them working on offensive drills, rarely if ever defense. I dont judge players off of one game, he's proven he can be a legitimate 2nd option in the past, a primetime scorer.

 

[Walter White]

Re: Amare Stoudemire

Where is Wine and Gold when you need him.......maybe if Ill scream he can here me. HELP! HELP! :gap:

 

[Lyuokdea]

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I spent a couple hours with this on the backburner....i just can't think of a trade scenario that works.... the Suns don't really need AV (and I think we'd need to give up AV in a three-way deal, just to have the type of value sent out that can bring in Amare)

Here's the best I've come up with so far...it actually doesn't involve Szczerbiak's expiring, maybe there'll be a way to push around that and a first to bring in Mike Miller, or to take a bad contract and get some of the young talent back that we're shipping away.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...72~2419~1026&teams=5~21~30~21~30~21&te=&cash=

Why for Cleveland - I know everybody is going to go crazy over shipping out AV and JJ, but AV has shown over the past two weeks why he's not a starter in this league. He's a great number 3 big, and would be great for this team as a number 3 big. However, number 3 bigs aren't worth the $10 million a year that Varejao will be asking for. JJ is another big loss, but the hope is that JJ could someday be half as good as Stoudemeier....

Basically, we're getting about the 10-15th best player in the NBA (who is still young), so don't complain about the young talent and borderline starters we're giving up.

Why for Charlotte - They've coveted AV, who will fit in well alongside Okafor. They get rid of a somewhat ugly contract. Kinsey is a filler to get money to work out.

Why for Pheonix - One of their biggest weaknesses is perimeter D, Nash/Barbosa/Richardson is probably the worst perimeter D in the league. Wallace/Pavlovic greatly help them in that regard. JJ hickson has a ton of potential. I don't really think that they do this deal, but this is as good as I've got

~Lyuokdea

 

[Megamansilly]

Re: Amare Stoudemire

I spent a couple hours with this on the backburner....i just can't think of a trade scenario that works.... the Suns don't really need AV (and I think we'd need to give up AV in a three-way deal, just to have the type of value sent out that can bring in Amare)

Here's the best I've come up with so far...it actually doesn't involve Szczerbiak's expiring, maybe there'll be a way to push around that and a first to bring in Mike Miller, or to take a bad contract and get some of the young talent back that we're shipping away.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...72~2419~1026&teams=5~21~30~21~30~21&te=&cash=

Why for Cleveland - I know everybody is going to go crazy over shipping out AV and JJ, but AV has shown over the past two weeks why he's not a starter in this league. He's a great number 3 big, and would be great for this team as a number 3 big. However, number 3 bigs aren't worth the $10 million a year that Varejao will be asking for. JJ is another big loss, but the hope is that JJ could someday be half as good as Stoudemeier....

Basically, we're getting about the 10-15th best player in the NBA (who is still young), so don't complain about the young talent and borderline starters we're giving up.

Why for Charlotte - They've coveted AV, who will fit in well alongside Okafor. They get rid of a somewhat ugly contract. Kinsey is a filler to get money to work out.

Why for Pheonix - One of their biggest weaknesses is perimeter D, Nash/Barbosa/Richardson is probably the worst perimeter D in the league. Wallace/Pavlovic greatly help them in that regard. JJ hickson has a ton of potential. I don't really think that they do this deal, but this is as good as I've got

~Lyuokdea

I dont like that deal at all if thats what it takes then I'd just say no to trading for amare. I dont think ferry would trade all that also. If we someone got amare it would be us getting a deal of a life time this year.

 

[Walter White]

Re: Amare Stoudemire

I spent a couple hours with this on the backburner....i just can't think of a trade scenario that works.... the Suns don't really need AV (and I think we'd need to give up AV in a three-way deal, just to have the type of value sent out that can bring in Amare)

Here's the best I've come up with so far...it actually doesn't involve Szczerbiak's expiring, maybe there'll be a way to push around that and a first to bring in Mike Miller, or to take a bad contract and get some of the young talent back that we're shipping away.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...72~2419~1026&teams=5~21~30~21~30~21&te=&cash=

Why for Cleveland - I know everybody is going to go crazy over shipping out AV and JJ, but AV has shown over the past two weeks why he's not a starter in this league. He's a great number 3 big, and would be great for this team as a number 3 big. However, number 3 bigs aren't worth the $10 million a year that Varejao will be asking for. JJ is another big loss, but the hope is that JJ could someday be half as good as Stoudemeier....

Basically, we're getting about the 10-15th best player in the NBA (who is still young), so don't complain about the young talent and borderline starters we're giving up.

Why for Charlotte - They've coveted AV, who will fit in well alongside Okafor. They get rid of a somewhat ugly contract. Kinsey is a filler to get money to work out.

Why for Pheonix - One of their biggest weaknesses is perimeter D, Nash/Barbosa/Richardson is probably the worst perimeter D in the league. Wallace/Pavlovic greatly help them in that regard. JJ hickson has a ton of potential. I don't really think that they do this deal, but this is as good as I've got

~Lyuokdea

Actually that is pretty good. They can only get so much for Amare. Alot of teams arent gonna be switchin superstars. I like that trade.