Andre Drummond

[clevelandrox23]

Do some sort of trade with Varejao as the centerpiece to grab him if Drummond falls. Varejao will only injury himself again playing for Brazil this Olympics.

 

[sailfish]

I noticed Golden State is working out Meyers Leonard & Quincy Miller, who are too high for #7, but too low for their 2nd pick at #30. That said, I wonder if they have a deal in place to acquire one or both of Houston's picks at #14 and #16, as the Rockets had been looking to move up, likely for Drummond:

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider
RT @timkawakami: Warriors announce that, among others, Illinois' Meyers Leonard and Baylor's Quincy Miller are in a group workout tomorrow

A trade like that would make alot more sense for the Warriors.

 

[oasis05]

Meyers Leonard has pretty solid defensive potential. He could go 7.

A lot of people wanted a center in the luke jackson draft and biedrins was the project drafted after luke. Biedrins was drafted at 11. If confidence ends up being a problem for drummond perhaps biedrins could be a comparison. Andris Biedrins never developed a low post up game. He prefered the high post game, and drummond seems more comfortable facing the basket. Biedrins also fell apart at the line. This, i think is the player drummond reminds me of. I think he could make biedrins game work with his physical tools. He's got the speed advantage. Everyone thought biedrins would be a big time defender, but it never happened. He posted big rebounding numbers in nelsons system while being on the worst defensive teams in the league. May not all be biedrins fault, but if he became an all defensive teamer it would of been noticed. I'm put biedrins as the downside for drummond.

 

[onyoursix7]

Ok, so Houston likes AV, Warriors like Houston's picks. Let's go.

Cavs get 7.
Cavs give AV, 24.
Hou gets AV, 24.
Hou gives 14, 16.
GSW gets 14, 16.
GSW gives 7, filler.

 

[Earl]

Ok, so Houston likes AV, Warriors like Houston's picks. Let's go.

Cavs get 7.
Cavs give AV, 24.
Hou gets AV, 24.
Hou gives 14, 16.
GSW gets 14, 16.
GSW gives 7, filler.

GSW would be all over this

 

[davedugan43]

GSW would be all over this

I feel like it works well for all involved. At 7, we could get Lamb, Drummond, Rivers, or maybe Barnes.

 

[Akron83]

Do some sort of trade with Varejao as the centerpiece to grab him if Drummond falls. Varejao will only injury himself again playing for Brazil this Olympics.

Yeah, that's not going to happen. Who in their right mind would trade Drummond for Varejao?

 

[Steve_424]

Yeah, that's not going to happen. Who in their right mind would trade Drummond for Varejao?

Who would give Baron Davis and a #1 pick (knowing it'd be a lottery pick) for Mo Williams?

Never underestimate the stupidity of NBA GM's.

 

[Triumph36]

Ok, so Houston likes AV, Warriors like Houston's picks. Let's go.

Cavs get 7.
Cavs give AV, 24.
Hou gets AV, 24.
Hou gives 14, 16.
GSW gets 14, 16.
GSW gives 7, filler.

houston gets owned. they get older and not much better (missing playoffs ----> getting raped in the 1st round isn't much of a step up).

Who would give Baron Davis and a #1 pick (knowing it'd be a lottery pick) for Mo Williams?

Never underestimate the stupidity of NBA GM's.

Except that trade wasn't stupid at all. It was for financial purposes adn both teams made out well.

If the deal with GSW were something like AV/24 for Biedrins/7, GSW doesn't save any money or suddenly become relevant. They have no reason to do the deal. They aren't significantly better post-trade and they aren't saving money, so why?

Now if it were Biedrins and Jefferson, things change. The team still isn't particularly good post-trade, but they save ~21M or so. I dunno if Gilbert is willing to absorb that much money while trading the ridiculously valuable, never-going-to-decline, always-healthy Anderson Varejao but that deal could potentially make sense for both sides.

 

[The Process God]

Who would give Baron Davis and a #1 pick (knowing it'd be a lottery pick) for Mo Williams?

Never underestimate the stupidity of NBA GM's.

Except that pick only had a 2.8% chance of winning. Although we did hit on it, there's no guarantee that, had they kept it, they would've hit on it due to a change of events leading up to the lottery. It would've been statistically unwise to bank on that happening. Plus they got out from Baron's contract and got a very serviceable starting PG/sixth man in Mo Williams.

 

[440]

Except that pick only had a 2.8% chance of winning. Although we did hit on it, there's no guarantee that, had they kept it, they would've hit on it due to a change of events leading up to the lottery. It would've been statistically unwise to bank on that happening. Plus they got out from Baron's contract and got a very serviceable starting PG/sixth man in Mo Williams.

It was still scheduled to be the 8th pick, and I think most people would agree that Varejao is better than Mo Williams. If we add the 24 and absorb a Bieds I think GSW would be getting a much better deal than the Clippers got. I don't know why so many people think it's not feasible.

 

[Triumph36]

It was still scheduled to be the 8th pick, and I think most people would agree that Varejao is better than Mo Williams. If we add the 24 and absorb a Bieds I think GSW would be getting a much better deal than the Clippers got. I don't know why so many people think it's not feasible.

probably because you're forgetting about the ~$12M ($20M if Mo opts out) that the clippers saved in the deal.

they'd be paying out more money (dunno the exact $$ because it's partially guaranteed) if they swap biedrins and varejao.

 

[sailfish]

It was still scheduled to be the 8th pick, and I think most people would agree that Varejao is better than Mo Williams. If we add the 24 and absorb a Bieds I think GSW would be getting a much better deal than the Clippers got. I don't know why so many people think it's not feasible.

Agree about GS getting a better deal than the Clippers got. Of course, what killed it for the Clips was the Cavaliers winning the draft lottery with their pick & landing Kyrie Irving. Had they kept their pick & landed Irving, the Clippers have no need to trade for Chris Paul and they still have Eric Gordon & the #10 pick in this draft.

In terms of Varejao, the Cavaliers have shown no inclination to deal him. Grant & Gilbert seem to absolutely love him. I'm not saying he's untradeable, but I think it would take alot, probably more than other teams are willing to offer, for them to trade him. That said, I don't expect Andy to go anywhere. I think Grant & Gilbert have allowed their feelings for Varejao to somewhat cloud their judgement in rebuilding this team. That's bad business sense, but it is what it is.

 

[The Process God]

It was still scheduled to be the 8th pick, and I think most people would agree that Varejao is better than Mo Williams. If we add the 24 and absorb a Bieds I think GSW would be getting a much better deal than the Clippers got. I don't know why so many people think it's not feasible.

Well let's look at the differences between the two trades especially within the context in which each trade was respectively made.

Cavs and Clippers trade:

Cavs get: Baron Davis, unprotected 2011 1st (at the time of the trade, 8th pick, and LAC ended up ending the season in that same spot)
Clippers get: Mo Williams, Jamario Moon

Cavs and GSW trade:

Cavs get: 2012 7th pick, Biedrins
GSW get: Varejao, 2012 24th pick

Varejao's going to be about a year and a half older than Mo was when he was traded if this trade were to go down. Furthermore, Varejao's overall longevity seems like it is going to go down faster than Mo although Mo is not injury-free either. Anyhow, between Varejao and the 24th pick, I'd say that the Warriors receive more in this deal, but they're also giving more. The 7th pick in the 2012 draft is much, much more valuable than what would've been the 8th pick in the 2011 draft almost 39 times out of 40. The 2012 draft is just so much deeper than the 2011 draft. If we can get Drummond with the 7th pick, then that pick is even more valuable because it could possibly yield a superstar.

I'd say that 39 times out of 40, the Clippers would have been getting the better deal because of the salary that they dumped in addition to the pick that would've been an 8th pick in a very weak draft. The only reason why the deal for the Warriors would be better is because we happened to hit on the lottery that 1 time out of 40 times, giving us a surefire superstar in Kyrie Irving, who was already all-star worthy his rookie season.

Like I said, there would've been no guarantee that the Clippers would've gotten the 1st overall pick if they had kept it because all things leading up to the draft would've also changed if the Clippers had kept the pick. As a matter of fact, it would've likely been the 8th pick.

 

[brownindian]

Varejao is an excellent player to have if you only want him for half a season. So if Houston wants a playoff caliber player who is going to guarantee them a lot of rebounds and defense then they know they made a wise move in Varejao. The sticky point is they need to use him wisely so that he does not get injured ... meaning save him for the playoffs and a few games here and there.