Andre Iguodala

[adriano_leite]

If Igoudala is the best the Cavs can so as someone suggested... i would rather not watch another minute of basketball. Really Iggy is the best you think we can do? We have a ton of options infront of us, there is a so much flexibility that there is no way iggy is as good as it gets.

WHO??? What is your suggestion? Give the name, but realistic 1, who is better option?

 

[RonG]

We have some expiring contracts, we have some youth as assets and we have a nice stock pile of picks. I am not down for pulling the trigger on Iggy. I have no clue who is available, but i will tell you this. OKC is an AV away from being a legit contender. My suggestion is to sit back and let people come to us, there is absolutely no reason to be the ones scurring around to make a deal at the moment.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Getting Iggy would seal the fate of the Cavaliers till the end of his contract: A middling Eastern Conference team.

May as well change our name to the Cleveland Wizards.

 

[Nom]

Here is the question that Iggy raises to me -

Do you not trade for Iggy so you can try to find a superstar and then build a team around him?

Or do you build the team and then try to lure the superstar to an established set-up?

Depends on where you think the super star comes from - the draft? Trade? Free agency?

Are we ever going to be bad enough to draft a super star?

Do we have the assets to trade for one and have him re-sign?

If we trade for Iggy do we have the cap space to keep the talent here AND sign a super star?

People don't want Iggy because he is NOT a super star but then don't seem to give how we are going to GET a super star.

 

[RonG]

Nom Free-agency is fool’s gold, take that out of your equations altogether.

 

[Lee]

Iggy is a poor man's pippen. He is playing out of position imo at sg. He really is a sf and he would be a good one at that. I am all for the iggy trade as there really wont be many options for the tpe. Usually a tpe gets you an aging over paid player. If i could get a young over paid player who is playing out of position then its a steal. Give them one of Miami's first and our tpe and get the deal done. We realistically wont have cap space and the last time we did have cap space it turned into an over paid larry hughes. I just think some are being unrealistic with whats out there. Iggy is a good player. Not great, but he is better than any wing player we have now. Plug him into our sf spot, and we become a pretty good team. Finding a superstar is as much about luck as anything for a smaller market team like the Cavs.

 

[MYoung23]

Iggy is a poor man's pippen. He is playing out of position imo at sg. He really is a sf and he would be a good one at that. I am all for the iggy trade as there really wont be many options for the tpe. Usually a tpe gets you an aging over paid player. If i could get a young over paid player who is playing out of position then its a steal. Give them one of Miami's first and our tpe and get the deal done. We realistically wont have cap space and the last time we did have cap space it turned into an over paid larry hughes. I just think some are being unrealistic with whats out there. Iggy is a good player. Not great, but he is better than any wing player we have now. Plug him into our sf spot, and we become a pretty good team. Finding a superstar is as much about luck as anything for a smaller market team like the Cavs.

A pretty good capped out team is pointless. And I can argue that the Cavaliers wouldn't even be pretty good. Andre Iguodala played the vast majority of his minutes last year at SF, in the Princeton under a coach who has had more success with than Scott has and had a down year personally and the team stunk with comparable talent as this year's Cavaliers team.

At 14M a year Im not buying him or the argument for him.

He simply isn't that good.

 

[Triumph36]

Here is the question that Iggy raises to me -

Do you not trade for Iggy so you can try to find a superstar and then build a team around him?

Or do you build the team and then try to lure the superstar to an established set-up?

Depends on where you think the super star comes from - the draft? Trade? Free agency?

Are we ever going to be bad enough to draft a super star?

Do we have the assets to trade for one and have him re-sign?

If we trade for Iggy do we have the cap space to keep the talent here AND sign a super star?

People don't want Iggy because he is NOT a super star but then don't seem to give how we are going to GET a super star.

Yes.
Not possible.
Yes. No. No.
Could easily be this year.
Definitely not.
Definitely not.

And the draft has been the answer all along.

Iggy is a poor man's pippen. He is playing out of position imo at sg. He really is a sf and he would be a good one at that. I am all for the iggy trade as there really wont be many options for the tpe. Usually a tpe gets you an aging over paid player. If i could get a young over paid player who is playing out of position then its a steal. Give them one of Miami's first and our tpe and get the deal done. We realistically wont have cap space and the last time we did have cap space it turned into an over paid larry hughes. I just think some are being unrealistic with whats out there. Iggy is a good player. Not great, but he is better than any wing player we have now. Plug him into our sf spot, and we become a pretty good team. Finding a superstar is as much about luck as anything for a smaller market team like the Cavs.

Aside from what MYoung said (esp the first sentence), the fact that he's a "poor man's Pippen" is a problem when they don't have the "MJ" part of the equation (hyperbole but you get the point).

 

[*L-Train*]

oops wrong thread

 

[KB]

To me taking a chance on Iggy would depend on what picks or young players are swapped in the process

Let us say there is an opportunity to take Iggy with the TPE were the 76er's are willing to take only a 2nd rounder in return (pretend this deal is offered by the 76er's)

The above deal in itself would be good if we had a player that Iggy could play off of, not that he couldn't play off of Mo but Mo is tad to inconsistent for that even though he is a better shooter than anyone the 76er's give court time to currently. Iggy is a good piece to compliment a better player he is not the player you want as the best player on your team at his current salary level, this is the point posters like MYoung are trying to make when they use the treadmill analogy. If you have a bunch of 2nd tier players with large salaries you stunt your teams room for growth and limit your ability to acquire assets.

Now let us say you are the Cavs, you know the 76er's are trying to unload the contract because of the standing offer and the 76er's current salary structure

So you counter with an additional Mia 2nd rounder and state that you want the ability to swap #1 pick's

Let us say in the swap the 76er’s #1 pick, which would come to the Cavs, would be protected (like top 3 in 2011 top 5 in 2012 and no protection in 2013)

Or if you are not a draft pick person you ask them to perform a 2nd trade which would include Speights and/or Brackins (both young bigs at 6'10 or taller which is one of the teams weakness's right now)

If it's a deal that is similar to the above structure that includes either the picks or young players then you would have to seriously think about adding Iggy otherwise you sit and wait patiently for people to beat your door down for you take on their terrible contracts while squeezing out of them a combination of young players and picks in the process.

 

[rabman_gold]

What if we got 3 "poor man's Pippens"?

We could use the already developing depth combined with other assets to still have a quality team top to bottom. It may take several years to do so, but since Andre doesn't make us that much better, if we capitalize on that deal near the end when we see where we are, then the records won't affect much.

Look at it this way:

1. We might not get a Jordan at any point, but the Celtics didn't have one either. They just traded for decent quality winning pieces to go with the depth they recently picked up (Perkins, Rondo, Powe, Glen, PJ, Cassell, House, Posey).
2. We have to start building a winning team somewhere?
3. We could always trade other pieces we pick up to develop our list of talent, through later drafts, trades, etc.

Right now, the team looks like this:

C: Andy
PF: J.J.
SF: Joey
SG: Parker
PG: Mo

C: Hollins
PF: Jamison
SF: Moon
SG: Booby
PG: Sessions

C: --
PF: Powe/Samuels
SF: Jawad
SG: Eyenga/Harris

First, get a swingman who can do a little bit of what we need with talent (Andre). Then, get a post presence to support the guys defensively and a little offensively. And finally a third piece that is similar in swingman talent, but can score at will. Those are usually the big ones that can help a team significantly. That means there would be 10 guys who can at least be rotational players. Then, to get the others, use the TPE, draft picks, and the other pieces. Lose Moon, Parker to try to pick up a decent guy along with the other pieces we can use.

This isn't an assured method, but we can make it happen within a year or so if necessary. And some of you are pessimistic, but sometimes, a guy just needs a refreshing change. It's not like Igoudala is a cancer, right?

Oh well, that's all I got. It's all what-ifs and wait-and-sees. We'll see come February.

 

[Nom]

What percentage of top 5 picks are "super stars" over the last 5 years? How many more or good role players or above average players that can't carry their teams?

I think risking all of your good players so that you are bad enough to be in the top 5 is more likely to leave you with a good player that still needs pieces around him.

 

[CardiacCavs]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT TRADE FOR IGGY.

 

[Silky Smooth]

I have no idea where to put this so I'll put it here.

We better trade Andy, Boobie, and I'm thinking JJ too for Harden, Maynor, Cook and Aldrich from OKC. Get this shit done or I'm going to cry everytime I have to watch this sorry ass team full of pu$$ies play.

 

[CzBoobie]

I have a feeling Iguodala would rather commit suicide than to be traded to the Cavs. So I guess we're safe.