Andris Biedrins on the block?

[LyXo]

If we get Ellis, at least we'll have someone who thinks he is better than #6. That's a start. Then we can bring in Ricky Davis while we're at it.

 

[Silky Smooth]

They'd have to give me 3 lotto picks for taking on Andres contract.

 

[Kypus]

I'm curious to see how much of Biedrins' problems are because of Don Nelson. 2 years ago he was putting up mulitiple 20+ rebound games.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Biedrins was playing hurt last year after a failed surgery. He might be a buy-low situation, and to be honest, we aren't getting much better than that with a TPE, especially if they throw in a pick or two.

As I've mentioned elsewhere, I said the same thing about Chris Kaman last summer that I am saying now about Biedrins: you don't get talented bigs in their prime unless the team is clearing house and the player is coming off an injury-plagued year. My backing of a Kaman trade over the eventual Shaq trade wasn't popular last summer on RCF... but then Shaq became a pariah and Kaman became an All Star. Biedrins isn't close to the offensive player Kaman is, but they are both legitimate starting-caliber players at a very difficult to fill position.

Just sayin'.

 

[MYoung23]

Biedrins was playing hurt last year after a failed surgery. He might be a buy-low situation, and to be honest, we aren't getting much better than that with a TPE, especially if they throw in a pick or two.

As I've mentioned elsewhere, I said the same thing about Chris Kaman last summer that I am saying now about Biedrins: you don't get talented bigs in their prime unless the team is clearing house and the player is coming off an injury-plagued year. My backing of a Kaman trade over the eventual Shaq trade wasn't popular last summer on RCF... but then Shaq became a pariah and Kaman became an All Star. Biedrins isn't close to the offensive player Kaman is, but they are both legitimate starting-caliber players at a very difficult to fill position.

Just sayin'.

Big difference between a center that can get 20 and a garbage man who gets 10.

 

[abraxas]

Biedrins was playing hurt last year after a failed surgery. He might be a buy-low situation, and to be honest, we aren't getting much better than that with a TPE, especially if they throw in a pick or two.

As I've mentioned elsewhere, I said the same thing about Chris Kaman last summer that I am saying now about Biedrins: you don't get talented bigs in their prime unless the team is clearing house and the player is coming off an injury-plagued year. My backing of a Kaman trade over the eventual Shaq trade wasn't popular last summer on RCF... but then Shaq became a pariah and Kaman became an All Star. Biedrins isn't close to the offensive player Kaman is, but they are both legitimate starting-caliber players at a very difficult to fill position.

Just sayin'.

I also got ripped a new one for advocating a deal for Biedrins. I think most people on this site are great students of the Cavs but rely mostly on Sportscenter highlights when scouting teams like the Warriors. Since I live in the Bay area, I watch many of their games. Biedrins is young and so has some of the same problems a lot of young big man have. Nelson cares as much about coaching youngsters as he does getting his annual prostate checked. On top of this, Biedrins has had one bad break after another the past couple years and can't seem to stay healthy. When healthy, he shows glimpses of great potential.

With a rebuilding team I see no reason not to see what we can get from GS to take Biedrins off their hands and see how he can play in Scott's system alongside JJ. He'd surely help take some rebounding pressure off JJ.

As for Monta, I feel mixed about him. Some games he seems to try and play in the system and looks just awesome. Other games he does what he wants and looks like Larry Hughes. I don't know if it's the coaching again or if it's just his personality. Again, I wonder if someone like Scott got a hold of him he might be able to reign him in. But with Sessions coming on board, don't see how he'd fit unless we traded away Mo (or possibly Boobie, who might actually play real well in the GS system).

 

[GitNoLuv]

The best part about trading for Biedrins...is his wife will be coming to the games. If she don't show, he's not worth it.

 

[BankShot]

Biedrins was playing hurt last year after a failed surgery. He might be a buy-low situation, and to be honest, we aren't getting much better than that with a TPE, especially if they throw in a pick or two.

As I've mentioned elsewhere, I said the same thing about Chris Kaman last summer that I am saying now about Biedrins: you don't get talented bigs in their prime unless the team is clearing house and the player is coming off an injury-plagued year. My backing of a Kaman trade over the eventual Shaq trade wasn't popular last summer on RCF... but then Shaq became a pariah and Kaman became an All Star. Biedrins isn't close to the offensive player Kaman is, but they are both legitimate starting-caliber players at a very difficult to fill position.

Just sayin'.

I'll add that Biedrins is the type of center that Scott would want. I'm all for it if we can trade Andy for a young athletic SF (Jeff Green, Thad Young, Marvin Williams)

In the Scott interview during a summer leauge game, he was asked about whether Andy would be his center, his ringing endorsement was "unless we get someone else for that spot"

 

[bigjmac0815]

I wouldnt mind acquiring Biedrins.......another big man could help and maybe we could move shaq there in the deal too

 

[StuDiscus]

Biedrins was playing hurt last year after a failed surgery. He might be a buy-low situation, and to be honest, we aren't getting much better than that with a TPE, especially if they throw in a pick or two.

As I've mentioned elsewhere, I said the same thing about Chris Kaman last summer that I am saying now about Biedrins: you don't get talented bigs in their prime unless the team is clearing house and the player is coming off an injury-plagued year. My backing of a Kaman trade over the eventual Shaq trade wasn't popular last summer on RCF... but then Shaq became a pariah and Kaman became an All Star. Biedrins isn't close to the offensive player Kaman is, but they are both legitimate starting-caliber players at a very difficult to fill position.

Just sayin'.

I have always loved Kamens' game..

Don't know if he is the best option for a run and gun system.....
A.B. on the other hand has already shown he thrives in that style of play...

I still have not seen anything that leads me to believe either of these guys are available to us anyways.. But then again I didn't read anything but the last page of this thread

 

[mAo_mAo]

Biedrins is a younger, more athletic version of AV. IF we acquire Biedrins it would open up the possibility in trading AV for a wing or a high draft pick without losing on front court depth and youth.

 

[abraxas]

Biedrins is a younger, more athletic version of AV. IF we acquire Biedrins it would open up the possibility in trading AV for a wing or a high draft pick without losing on front court depth and youth.

This is an interesting perspective but not exactly accurate. AV is extremely athletic, has some of the quickest feet for a big man in the NBA. He also has a high bball IQ, knowing how to be at the right place at the right time. AV is also very annoying for other players, getting under their skins and being pesky and drawing charges and technicals. IMO, he's one of the most under-rated big man in the game. And once again, was not used correctly by MBrown. MB started to understand his game the last season or two which is where Andy really began to show his potential.

For Biedrins, first off, he's left handed which is deceiving down low. He's also stronger than advertised, and although a good athlete, relies more on his suprising strength. He also has a good bball IQ but has been in a poor system for developing his skills. Like Andy, he's mostly relied on feeding off scraps and is a fierce offensive rebounder. He plays at a high pace which sometimes reminds me of how JJ looks, in terms of playing too fast. He also doesn't have the quick feet/great mobility that Andy posseses. He plays more a traditional 5 than Andy. All said, I believe he is a big man that hasn't even come close to hitting his peak - assuming he receives adequate coaching. He's also 4 years younger than Andy.

Because of his strength down low and prowress on the boards, I think he'd help JJ a lot. I think he & Andy could play together but it wouldn't be pretty on offense (although I have a hunch that Andy will come in asking for a bigger role in the offense, and thus has continued to improve his shot).

I don't know what GS will do now with their new owners but if he's available, he's a big man I'd go after. Btw, someone said something about we would've gone after AJefferson then, but Minny got 2 1sts from Utah - no way we were going to give that up for AJ. Biedrins might actually net us a 1st, depending on which direction the new owners want to go.

 

[WhoWeAre]

We certainly could use his ft ability.

It always cracks me up that your name is "The Optimist"...

That said...I agree entirely with the sarcasm! :chuckles:

I think people literally just post every possible player as a potential target for our team. Fucking hilarious -- the last thing we need is a player like Biedrins (unless of course they throw in some picks...).

 

[mAo_mAo]

It always cracks me up that your name is "The Optimist"...

That said...I agree entirely with the sarcasm! :chuckles:

I think people literally just post every possible player as a potential target for our team. Fucking hilarious -- the last thing we need is a player like Biedrins (unless of course they throw in some picks...).

I'm sure we will not acquire Biedrins by himself it should come with a lottery pick. However, you are implying that Biedrins is some scrub. He is a big man who is even younger than Sasha Kaun. He once grabbed 26 rebounds in a game and has shown that he is a fit to a running team. If anything else, he could have inflated stats in Scott's system and net us even more draft picks.

 

[abraxas]

It always cracks me up that your name is "The Optimist"...

That said...I agree entirely with the sarcasm! :chuckles:

I think people literally just post every possible player as a potential target for our team. Fucking hilarious -- the last thing we need is a player like Biedrins (unless of course they throw in some picks...).

Have you watched Golden State play? Unless you live in the Bay area or have NBA league pass (and choose to watch GS games), I doubt you have. The last thing we need is a 24 yr old center who is a monster of the glass, strength, a serious motor, and can run like few 5s in this league can? And really hasn't been developed at all?

The Cavaliers are now in the asset-gaining, risk-taking phase which is called rebuilding. And of course, this is all predicated on them throwing in picks, if you read the posts you'll see that is clearly identified. And, GS has been mentioned repeatedly in trade talk rumors w/ us, so it's not just throwing a potential target out there - we need a big man and GS possibly wants to rid his contract from their team (along with Monta). Just putting the pieces together man.