Andris Biedrins on the block?

[Kypus]

He can help keep girlfriends and wives coming to Cavs games after the post-Lebron fallout.

I mean aside from his awesome athleticsm and shot blocking ability. Very underrated player IMO.

 

[Kypus]

The best part about trading for Biedrins...is his wife will be coming to the games. If she don't show, he's not worth it.

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[NarlCavs]

I'd rather trade for his wife.

If Biedrins was making less money I might be willing to take a chance. With 4 years and $36 million left on his contract I'd pass on him. Doesn't really have any offensive skill and is not a great defensive player either. His rebounding numbers look nice but are partially inflated by playing in a wide open system where he's one of the few bigs. There are a lot of missed shots to get.

For where the Cavs are right now as a franchise I just don't want to add a big long term contract for a limited player.

 

[RonG]

You can get a PG, SG, SF and PF as a prospect or cheap asset. You however will not find a steal at center. Center is the hardest postion to delvelop and this is further hinered by the fewer numbers of centers that come out as prospects every year in comparrisons to guards or forwards.

If there is one postions a yound team should splurge this is it. You guys have to be kidding yourself to think your going to get a young promising player at the center postion for cheap. All NBA teams tie up these people with any skill as quickly as possible.

 

[NarlCavs]

Agree Ron. I just don't think Biedrins is really that great a player and at least to me it doesn't make sense to invest big money and reduce flexibility for a limited C.

He's a decent player but not one who will make the Cavs that much better in the coming seasons or is one who you build around.
Under different circumstances I would probably consider it but not for where the Cavs are now or for how they need to proceed going forward.

 

[RonG]

Agree Ron. I just don't think Biedrins is really that great a player and at least to me it doesn't make sense to invest big money and reduce flexibility for a limited C.

He's a decent player but not one who will make the Cavs that much better in the coming seasons or is one who you build around.
Under different circumstances I would probably consider it but not for where the Cavs are now or for how they need to proceed going forward.

I honestly do not know enough about him to give an opinion. (RCF'ers need to learn how to admit this)

I just wanted to point out the fact that Centers even non all star ones are going to get paid period. This is the one position that teams will over pay for time and time again.

 

[GitNoLuv]

Biedrins isn't a bad player (though the last two years he's had some injury issues.)

While he is athletic...and he is strong, he's actually a weak post defender. If Scott can get him to commit to playing defense, he could be a really good screen/roll defender. He'd be a smaller version of AV (defensively and offensively.) He has a terrible shot, is a terrible FT guy...and doesn't really do a lot to create his own shot. Yes, he's still young, but that doesn't really mean a heck of a lot, because he's been in the league for 7 years. Yes, Big Men take longer to develop, but I'm skeptical that he'll be much more than what he is now.

Probably the biggest difference between AV and Biedrins is that Biedrins knows he can't shoot...and so he doesn't try anything away from the basket. Oh yeah...and while AV draws fouls with the best of them, Biedrins is a guy who fouls a lot.

 

[Lee]

I honestly do not know enough about him to give an opinion. (RCF'ers need to learn how to admit this)

I just wanted to point out the fact that Centers even non all star ones are going to get paid period. This is the one position that teams will over pay for time and time again.

Most just dont get that Ron. You cant look at a front court player and jusge a their worth by what a simular achieving backcourt player makes. Heck Darko just got a 25 million dollar contract. Gooden keeps getting paid well over and over again. When you are tall and athletic you dont have to be that good to get paid. Center is by far the harderst position to fill on a basketball court and their inflated salaries reflect that fact.

The fact is he was a 11/11 guy with good shot blocking abilities when healthy the last 3 years. What does that translate into in a real system not Nellie-ball? Who knows. But he is 24 years old and makes a flat 9 million a year for the next 3 years and the 4th year is a player option. He could end up opting out like many do to get a long term contract. At 24, he might be worth the risk. Centers are just hard to find.

 

[dano_24_26]

I was always big on Biedrins, especially if Coach Scott wants to run. I always thought of the situation if #6 was here though. No idea who we'd trade and why at this point. I only wish he could shoot over 16% from the strike. HAHAHAH he shot 16% last year. Wow! come on now.

 

[Zone]

Jamison, Moon and Powe for Biedrins and Radmanovich?

Mo/Sessions
Parker/Gibson/Green
Graham/Jawad/Eyenga
Hickson/AV/Radmanovich/Samuels
Biedrins/Hollins

Curry/Pargo
Ellis/Bell
D.Wright/Moon
Jamison/B.Wright/Udoh
Lee/Gadzuric

 

[SanduskyCav]

I was always big on Biedrins, especially if Coach Scott wants to run. I always thought of the situation if #6 was here though. No idea who we'd trade and why at this point. I only wish he could shoot over 16% from the strike. HAHAHAH he shot 16% last year. Wow! come on now.

First, I think you mean "from the STRIPE"

Second, he only shot 25 free throws the entire year, he was injured.

Third, either way, I still don't want him.

 

[oasis05]

I had a lot of hope for biedrins, but his skill set hasn't developed over the years, and the injuries last year didn't help. To me he may have peaked as a player.

The downfall of biedrins has been his inability to develope a low post game, a jump shot, or protect the paint.

People like to define players by who they can defend, but to call biedrins a center is rather simplistic. He doesn't do well in any of the skills that a center can impact games in.

He's mediocre. Sure he rebounds at a high rate, and 'll block his share of shots, but he lacks the size and positional rebounding ability to keep the larger centers off the boards, and deep in the play offs his rebounding will be exposed.

To me biedrins is a player loser organizations would be interested in. He screams mediocre, and it is mediocre teams that he will attract.

 

[AvonCavsFan]

AV is 6'11" 260 lbs. He can be a center.

Eastern Conference Starting Centers next year:
Dwight Howard 6'11" 265 lbs
J. O'neil 6'11" 255 lbs
Al Horford 6'10" 245 lbs
Noah 6'11 232 lbs
Nazr Mohamed 6'10" 250 lbs
Hibbert 7'2" 278 lbs
Z 7'3" 260 or Joel Anthony 6'9" 245 lbs
Bogut 7' 260 lbs
Lopez 7' 265 lbs
Turiaf 6'10" 250 or Amare 6'10" 249 lbs
Hawes 7'1" 245 lbs
Bargnani 7'0" 250 lbs
Javale Mcgee 7' 252 lbs

Andy is either bigger than or gives up less than an inch and a few lbs than most of the guys on that list....who among those do you think he can't guard?? The only one he is known to have problems with is Howard, and everyone generally has that problem with Howard. He can hold his own against the rest of the "top" EC centers..Bogut, Lopez, Horford, etc.

I think we are in good shape at center with Andy-Hollins and JJ playing spot minutes.

Someone mentioned Biedrens knows not to shoot away from the hoop, implying Andy does not know this. Andy shot 57% from the floor, I don't care where he shot from if that is going to be his FG% over the course of the year. AV shot 57%, he had a higher PER than USG rate which means he does not waste possessions, he was 2nd team all defense, he had one of the best adjusted plus minuses in the entire league..to me AV is an all-star caliber player---just because he doesn't score 20 ppg does not mean he isn't a great player.

 

[MoFlo]

AV is 6'11" 260 lbs. He can be a center.

Eastern Conference Starting Centers next year:
Dwight Howard 6'11" 265 lbs
J. O'neil 6'11" 255 lbs
Al Horford 6'10" 245 lbs
Noah 6'11 232 lbs
Nazr Mohamed 6'10" 250 lbs
Hibbert 7'2" 278 lbs
Z 7'3" 260 or Joel Anthony 6'9" 245 lbs
Bogut 7' 260 lbs
Lopez 7' 265 lbs
Turiaf 6'10" 250 or Amare 6'10" 249 lbs
Hawes 7'1" 245 lbs
Bargnani 7'0" 250 lbs
Javale Mcgee 7' 252 lbs

Andy is either bigger than or gives up less than an inch and a few lbs than most of the guys on that list....who among those do you think he can't guard?? The only one he is known to have problems with is Howard, and everyone generally has that problem with Howard. He can hold his own against the rest of the "top" EC centers..Bogut, Lopez, Horford, etc.

I think we are in good shape at center with Andy-Hollins and JJ playing spot minutes.

Someone mentioned Biedrens knows not to shoot away from the hoop, implying Andy does not know this. Andy shot 57% from the floor, I don't care where he shot from if that is going to be his FG% over the course of the year. AV shot 57%, he had a higher PER than USG rate which means he does not waste possessions, he was 2nd team all defense, he had one of the best adjusted plus minuses in the entire league..to me AV is an all-star caliber player---just because he doesn't score 20 ppg does not mean he isn't a great player.

Agree that Andy's fine as the starting center while we're not contending. But if you think we can/would have gotten past Orlando or the Lakers with him as our starting center, you're sadly mistaken.

 

[AvonCavsFan]

Agree that Andy's fine as the starting center while we're not contending. But if you think we can/would have gotten past Orlando or the Lakers with him as our starting center, you're sadly mistaken.

Andy killed the Lakers this year, he played 55 minutes in the 2 games, scored 20 points had 17 boards while shooting 81% from the floor. He also helped hold Gasol to under 40% from the floor (Shaq spent more time on Bynum with JJ and Andy on Gasol). Now I know he played mostly PF against the Lakers, so it is not going to the same next year.

In the first Laker game, Shaq only played 21 minutes..Andy got 32 minutes.

Also in the 2nd Lakers Game JJ had 11 pts and 14 boards in just 25 minutes, shot 67%.

JJ is a strong kid, who I think can guard Bynum as long as long as he keeps him off the block...This puts Andy on Gasol. I think we would do just fine that way...

I am excited to see these guys get more opportunities to show what they can do. I think Andy can be a 14pt, 10 board guy with all league defense. Hell, 14 and 10 got Horford into the all star game and he is not 2nd team all D. I think JJ can be an 16 and 8 guy this year. We will see.

And back to the list for a second, which guys do you think CAN match up with the Lakers and Magic on that list??