Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

[CBBI]

I picked Darnold in the poll, but it was because I was too much of a pussy to actually pull the trigger on a vote for Mayfield.

I just didn't trust my eyes. My eyes told me Mayfield was the most productive college QB of all time and had more than enough arm and accuracy to be an NFL QB.

But I just let too many other people saying he wasn't big enough to cloud my judgement.

Rosen was #3 for me behind Darnold and Mayfield.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

There were a ton of people on this board who were VERY much in on Rosen as the top QB.

My recollection is that it was something like 50% Rosen, 30% Darnold, 20% Mayfield.

There were a ton of people who were more like "well, I don't really have a firm opinion, but I suppose my preference would be ____." That's as opposed to those who were more or less certain they were right, and sought to beat down anyone who disagreed.

 

[Triplethreat]

View: https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1053307146140635136?s=21

 

[JDailey23]

Ive been on the Baker train since he grabbed his cock and said “F you”.
That’s all I needed to see.

 

[buzzdog]

Without gravedigging my own posts my recollection is that above all I wanted Dorsey to pick the guy that his scouting and research indicated would be the best NFL quarterback. I assumed that would be Darnold and I was fine with it. But I was also okay with Mayfield pretty much every step of the way if that's who Dorsey wanted.

Dorsey is the expert, it's his job and supposedly if he's as good at it as his reputation indicates then there's no way I would presume to know more. At some point you have to put hope in the professionals and then judge them on the results. My early opinion is that Dorsey dun good.

Baker is the proper fit for the Browns, definitely better than Rosen and possibly better than Darnold (but it could be argued that remains to be seen).

Baker is the oldest of the group with the most college games under his belt so although he has gotten off to what I feel is a strong start it remains to be seen who will have the best career when we look back 15 years from now.

 

[Vee-Rex]

What a stupid post

I was a big Rosen guy. Then we drafted Mayfield. And for a while I was bummed. Then Mayfield played well for my favorite team and I don’t give a shit about the Cardinals. I moved on buddy boy, maybe you should too

So why do you want people posting about Rosen again? Because you’re foolish enough to call it a career after a few starts on one of the worst teams in the NFL? Like you didn’t see one of the premier QBs in the NFL Goff have a dogshit rookie year just 2 years ago (you probably had similar posts about Goff then too, wonder why you stopped talking about that, whoops!)

I don't think it's a stupid post. How many of you were trashing Mayfield and praising Rosen?

How hard is it to just be like, "I'll eat my crow for sure in the future. Although nothing is yet proven/concluded, it sure does look like I was wrong thinking that Rosen was vastly superior to Mayfield. We will see how things play out"

Give the man his vindication and eat your crow when it's time.

You can say you moved on, but only because it is convenient for you. Put it this way: Imagine if Mayfield was utter garbage and had thrown 1 TD and 8 INTs in his 3 starts, and Rosen was lighting it up, throwing for 8 TDs and 1 INT.

How many of you would be drilling it down our throats about how we should've taken Rosen? How many of you would be 'moved on'?

I guess I just don't understand why it's so difficult for people to just own up. I've called myself an idiot numerous times because I've been wrong numerous times - it's no big deal.

 

[DJTJ]

I don't think it's a stupid post. How many of you were trashing Mayfield and praising Rosen?

How hard is it to just be like, "I'll eat my crow for sure in the future. Although nothing is yet proven/concluded, it sure does look like I was wrong thinking that Rosen was vastly superior to Mayfield. We will see how things play out"

Give the man his vindication and eat your crow when it's time.

You can say you moved on, but only because it is convenient for you. Put it this way: Imagine if Mayfield was utter garbage and had thrown 1 TD and 8 INTs in his 3 starts, and Rosen was lighting it up, throwing for 8 TDs and 1 INT.

How many of you would be drilling it down our throats about how we should've taken Rosen? How many of you would be 'moved on'?

I guess I just don't understand why it's so difficult for people to just own up. I've called myself an idiot numerous times because I've been wrong numerous times - it's no big deal.

Speaking for myself.

Flip the situations, and Mayfield isn’t playing well in Arizona. I’m here. I watch/go to every single game. It’s a toxic situation that’s hopefully remedied now that they finally fired Mike mcCoy.

 

[Soda]

I don't think it's a stupid post. How many of you were trashing Mayfield and praising Rosen?

How hard is it to just be like, "I'll eat my crow for sure in the future. Although nothing is yet proven/concluded, it sure does look like I was wrong thinking that Rosen was vastly superior to Mayfield. We will see how things play out"

Give the man his vindication and eat your crow when it's time.

You can say you moved on, but only because it is convenient for you. Put it this way: Imagine if Mayfield was utter garbage and had thrown 1 TD and 8 INTs in his 3 starts, and Rosen was lighting it up, throwing for 8 TDs and 1 INT.

How many of you would be drilling it down our throats about how we should've taken Rosen? How many of you would be 'moved on'?

I guess I just don't understand why it's so difficult for people to just own up. I've called myself an idiot numerous times because I've been wrong numerous times - it's no big deal.

Great post. I was all Darnold and remember kinda throwing my hands up in defeat when Baker was picked. I'm thrilled that I was wrong about Mayfield as I thought Rosen and Darnold were both much better.

If Rosen fails, I'm certain his environment will be the scapegoat. Just like when a favorite defensive guy fails and it's all because of his lack of fit in whichever system he was in. It'll never fall on our resident experts just plain whiffing.

 

[Snowblind]

So I wanted Rosen then darnold and finally Mayfield. Being a browns fan I just wanted a good qb and was hoping for anyone but Allen. Part of me thought if the browns pass on Mayfield we'll watch him become the next great thing and talk about how they blew it.

I let the board and some other draft analysts sway my opinion more and more to Rosen (for good reason though) and ignored all the stats that backed up Mayfield.

I'm glad to eat crow if Rosen sucks and Mayfield booms, but I really just want a good team to watch. If it's Mayfield then awesome, if it was Rosen or Jackson or darnold then great. Hopefully all these teams picked their right qb.

 

[Urban]

Great post. I was all Darnold and remember kinda throwing my hands up in defeat when Baker was picked. I'm thrilled that I was wrong about Mayfield as I thought Rosen and Darnold were both much better.

If Rosen fails, I'm certain his environment will be the scapegoat. Just like when a favorite defensive guy fails and it's all because of his lack of fit in whichever system he was in. It'll never fall on our resident experts just plain whiffing.

To be fair though, his environment is pretty terrible. Rosen has not been good and was horrendous last night, but their offensive has been historically bad this season including the 3 games Bradford started. They just fired their OC.

Jared Goff looked pretty terrible in his first year under Jeff Fisher. You see now the difference added experience and an offensive guru has made in his development.

 

[zDawg45]

Everybody I talked to thought I was crazy. I wanted Mayfield from the beginning. Rosen was my second guy I would have been ok with.

The way I saw it
1) Mayfield
2) Rosen
3) Darnold/ L Jackson
4) Allen

I wanted Mayfield and Barkley, unfortunately Giants messed that up. But I very happy with D Ward.

 

[Lee]

I was on the Rosen train personally, but then again I have had some epic fails on QB evaluations.

I was a Ryan Leaf over Peyton guy, and about 50% of the gms agreed with me.

But more famously I knew Drew Brees really well during his college career and when he asked me my opinion of his NFL career, I told him he wasn't going to be any good in the NFL. But since Brees' career isn't over yet, I might still be correct on that one.

 

[Lee]

Everybody I talked to thought I was crazy. I wanted Mayfield from the beginning. Rosen was my second guy I would have been ok with.

The way I saw it
1) Mayfield
2) Rosen
3) Darnold/ L Jackson
4) Allen

I wanted Mayfield and Barkley, unfortunately Giants messed that up. But I very happy with D Ward.

I wanted Ward or Chubb over Barkley because RB is just not a needle mover anymore in the NFL, but I did think Barkley had elite talent.

 

[MirORich]

Everybody I talked to thought I was crazy. I wanted Mayfield from the beginning. Rosen was my second guy I would have been ok with.

The way I saw it
1) Mayfield
2) Rosen
3) Darnold/ L Jackson
4) Allen

I wanted Mayfield and Barkley, unfortunately Giants messed that up. But I very happy with D Ward.

How could Rosen’s environment be considered all that different than Bakers?

Daily we’re told that Hue is the worst coach to ever take the field and that Haley is doing a bad job of playcalling. Rosen has David Johnson, and old but HOF WR, and a young stud in Kirk. That to me equals or even surpasses what Baker is working with at RB/WR.

 

[Sebastian]

What a bizarre turn this thread took.

Should we convene the Committee of Public Safety to further test the purity of our love for Baker?

A lot of people preferred other QBs in the Draft. That will happen when you're a Browns fan and have been snake-bitten by 1st Round QBs half a dozen times.

It will also happen when there is no clear consensus as to who the top QB is (beyond the consensus that Josh Allen would greatly punish the air rather than Defenses).