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I do think though Melo could be an absolute beast put into the right situation. I don't think he's damaged goods, he's a great scorer. It's hard sit here and really go "no I'd never want him", because the guy is not a BAD player. He can just play some BAD basketball at times. There's a clear difference.

This is why George Karl to me can coach, I by FAR think Melo was playing his best basketball under him. That season they went to the Western Conference, they were a legit team to win it all. They just barely get beat by the Lakers, then they went on to win it. You put Melo in the right situation, with the right coach, I think he's definitely a guy that can win a title.

You put him on the Spurs, they're the run away favorites to win it all. He's a situational kind of player to me. He's not going to excel anywhere you put him like some players are capable of.

I love his ability to score the basketball. He's almost Kobe Bryant like (in his prime) when it comes to his ability to flat out score, I will say that. He just needs a coach that can work out some of the kinks in his game. He doesn't have to become a defensive stopper, or start dishing like the LB either. It's not an entire transformation 'Melo needs.
 
He had a pretty good game with Kyrie as his PG a few nights ago. That was fun to watch.

I agree he was at his best in an up-tempo offense under Karl.

What would you think if Griffin hired Karl as his up-tempo coach?

Was Kyrie recruiting Melo at the all-star game?

We have the space to go for him this summer now...
 
I could, and would, say the same about you.



Dude.........no



The Knicks have been no better with Melo. You can look at the 1 playoff series they won against a washed up Celtics team, but nobody cares. Their record with Melo vs without him is about the same, and that's just sad.



His situation in Denver was better. He left that for the bigger spotlight. That's on him and him only. To say he's always cared about winning is ignorant. If he stays in New York we will all know he doesn't care about winning.



45% is not bad. But 22 shots is very bad. Making your offense a black hole is very bad. Paul George doesn't do those things, Averaging about as many turnovers as assists is very bad.

To be fair, Melo is having a nice season. 41% from three is damn impressive. The Knicks just really fucking suck. And while Melo's play style doesn't do them any favors, them sucking THIS year really is not his fault. When I criticize Melo, I'm criticizing him over his career; not just this season.

Melo would be the best "sidekick" in the NBA, IMO. If he was willing to let Kyrie run the show here (he wouldn't) I would be ecstatic about acquiring him. Melo spotting up and getting wide open looks from Kyrie penetration would just about be a dream come true. If Melo cared about winning, he'd try to get himself into that kind of situation. But asking him to run the team, to be a playmaker, has just not worked out thus far in his career.

I still can't get past the fact that 22 attempts per game is still bad even when he's connecting on 45% of his shots. Those are great numbers. Why does the amount of shots matter if he's converting on a very good percentage of them?

Moreover, when you look at the Knicks roster it's apparent why he shoots so much...it's because he has to. That team has no other reliable options. None. This is why I don't think all the flak Melo gets is warranted. Yes, the way he left Denver was petty in a way, but he didn't sign up for the shit they have surrounded him with. Let's wait until Melo actually has capable teammates before we pass final judgement on him and decide whether or not he can lead a team to a championship. After all in his Denver years he led that team to a lot of playoff success.

If you dislike Melo for leaving Denver for NY city that's cool. It's actually kind of justified. But don't let your bias towards him cloud your judgment of him as a basketball player. Don't hate the player, hate the game :chuckles:
 
I still can't get past the fact that 22 attempts per game is still bad even when he's connecting on 45% of his shots. Those are great numbers. Why does the amount of shots matter if he's converting on a very good percentage of them?

Moreover, when you look at the Knicks roster it's apparent why he shoots so much...it's because he has to. That team has no other reliable options. None. This is why I don't think all the flak Melo gets is warranted. Yes, the way he left Denver was petty in a way, but he didn't sign up for the shit they have surrounded him with. Let's wait until Melo actually has capable teammates before we pass final judgement on him and decide whether or not he can lead a team to a championship. After all in his Denver years he led that team to a lot of playoff success.

If you dislike Melo for leaving Denver for NY city that's cool. It's actually kind of justified. But don't let your bias towards him cloud your judgment of him as a basketball player. Don't hate the player, hate the game :chuckles:

I tried to explain the logic behind it in my post on page 2. Shameless self plug.
 
There's several players who could have won a ship with that Denver squad.
 
I believe Carmelo is a selfish player and it seems his teams promote a negative vibe. Why is it that a team constructed like New York isn't playing better? Why isn't Melo stepping up and being a leader? I just do t think he has it in him. Honestly he is almost as good as Lebron but lacks the leadership skills to bring a team together and win basketball games at a high level. If he would learn to play to his team strengths he would be a much better team mate.
 
He had a pretty good game with Kyrie as his PG a few nights ago. That was fun to watch.

I agree he was at his best in an up-tempo offense under Karl.

What would you think if Griffin hired Karl as his up-tempo coach?

Was Kyrie recruiting Melo at the all-star game?

We have the space to go for him this summer now...

You're using Melo's "chuck every semi-open shot I can" performance in the ASG a good game and as a way that Kyrie was recruiting him? Zero defense was played at all, and as soon as they kind of turned it up in the fourth, he couldn't hit shit.

Terrible.
 
I tried to explain the logic behind it in my post on page 2. Shameless self plug.

Lol, just read it.

The offenses he's been apart of were designed for him to shoot as much as he does. He's in iso-situations so much by virtue of the plays his coaches run for him. I mean honestly, when I watch the Knicks I see them run plays designed to isolate Melo at the elbow or on the block. I don't view him as a ballhog demanding the ball. I see it as Melo running the offense, which at times to the detriment of his team, involves him isolating himself and abusing mismatches.

We've seen that he's willing to play off the ball for the sake of his team (Olympics, ASG). He just wants to win. I just don't think his coaches have made him play off the ball as much as they should have.
 
NEW YORK -- About 90 minutes before tipoff Monday night at Madison Square Garden, Leon Rose met Knicks general manager Steve Mills on the court. The two men walked under the stands and disappeared.

Thirty minutes later, Rose emerged and shook hands with Knicks executive Allan Houston. They strolled together through the tunnel leading toward the Knicks' locker room.

These meetings involving the highest levels of the Knicks' brass and Carmelo Anthony's agent came after two straight excruciating losses. Using the same tired, predictable and ineffective defensive schemes, the Knicks had squandered double-digit leads in Orlando and Atlanta while going about the excruciating business of wasting one of Anthony's finest seasons. The Knicks, with their nearly $90 million payroll, entered Monday night's game against the Mavericks 14 games under .500 and fading fast from the Eastern Conference playoff race -- in a season when perhaps two teams will make the postseason with sub-.500 records.

Then came the bad news.

Anthony was brilliant again with 44 points against Dallas, including a tying 3-pointer with 50 seconds left -- only to be victimized by a wildly caroming buzzer-beater from Dirk Nowitzki at the other end that gave the Mavs a 110-108 victory. After the Knicks' sixth loss in seven games, point guard Raymond Felton was arrested on weapons charges -- only hours after seldom-used backup point guard Beno Udrih was granted a buyout.

As they say, you can't make this stuff up.

It would be hysterical to suggest that Rose wanted to approach Mills and Houston again after this latest debacle and request the same buyout treatment for his client. But it should be noted that Anthony, who has held his head high as this Knicks season has crumbled around him, openly wondered after the game if all of his efforts have been for naught.

"You kind of ask yourself, 'Is it worth it?'" Anthony said.

Felton, whose shoddy play has crippled the Knicks as much as coach Mike Woodson's schematic stubbornness, was due in court later Tuesday. I am not here to comment or speculate on the details surrounding his arrest, which resulted in two felony counts of criminal firearms possession and one misdemeanor, according to reports.

But even before this latest on- and off-court double-whammy, the Knicks' calamities have been more than sufficient to inspire the requisite ridicule, and more important, uncertainty about Anthony's future.

No one connected to the Knicks believes Anthony is leaving when he opts out of his contract this summer and becomes a free agent. And truth be told, his future cannot be tied to a devastating loss, or even a series of them -- nor can a straight line be drawn from Felton's embarrassing postgame arrest and Anthony's free-agent fate.

The strong ties between Rose's agency, CAA, and the Knicks' front office is well known. But as for the conversations involving Rose, Mills and Houston before Monday night's latest indignity, there are only three people who know and none of them is likely to be forthcoming with the play-by-play.

What we do know is that in his previous 10 seasons, Anthony has never missed the playoffs -- never had a losing season. He is often maligned for venturing out of the first round only twice, but such a record of winning and postseason participation should not be diminished. It's a streak that not even LeBron James or Kevin Durant can match.

As such, nobody can know for sure how Anthony will react when his vision of competing for a championship in New York this season will not only fall short, but crumble in a spectacular avalanche of embarrassment. During the current era of wandering NBA superstars, starting with LeBron James bolting Cleveland for Miami in 2010, every such star has given lip service to sacrificing money for the sake of winning. Only one has actually done it -- Dwight Howard, who took less to leave the Lakers for Houston this past summer.

Everyone else has been able to force his way to a new team and get the max money on top of it -- including Anthony, who engineered the extend-and-trade from Denver to the Knicks, a provision that is no longer available under the 2011 CBA.

Anthony stated recently that he'd be willing to take less money to help the Knicks attract some championship-level talent -- an admirable goal. But the question of Anthony taking less to stay in New York isn't really the one that should be asked at this point.

The question, increasingly, is whether this season in New York has been so unbearable that Anthony would consider taking less to leave. The reality is, the Knicks' salary-cap squeeze next season is as bad as the mess that Donnie Walsh unraveled before Anthony arrived -- with $90 million in committed salaries and the Knicks' lottery pick likely headed to Denver, the final dagger from the trade that brought him here.

None of this can be defined by the events of the past 24 hours, or even the past 72 or 96 or however far you want to dig into the depths of the Knicks' despair. All that is certain is that many more conversations like the ones between the Knicks' brass and Anthony's representatives must take place before anyone can know for sure how this will turn out.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer...ger-and-felton-arrest-knicks-sink-to-new-lows
 
If he stays with the Knicks, it will pretty much cement that he cares more about money and living in New York than he does about winning. There is no reason for him to stay there when there are at least half a dozen teams with both cap space and much more promising rosters to play on.
 
Looks like Felton is going to jail.
 
i take great enjoyment in watching him - and especially the knicks - fail again and again.

as an aside, LO FUCKING L RAYMOND FELTON. i truly hope ny throws the book at him for being such a careless moron.
 
i take great enjoyment in watching him - and especially the knicks - fail again and again.

as an aside, LO FUCKING L RAYMOND FELTON. i truly hope ny throws the book at him for being such a careless moron.

Goodness, why? That's bordering on sadistic (having said that, I'm totally with you on Felton though :chuckles:).


This Carmelo thing is just weird. As I've said before the large segment of Carmelo detractors is largely a product of it being in vogue to unfairly criticize him.

Part of why I'm bewildered about the passion behind it though:

Paul George - 44% from the field, 38% from three (on 6.2 attempts per), and 86% from the line. Though he's a two way player in the purest sense of the phrase which is why his reputation is as great as it is, he's hardly ever berated for his offense (and he shouldn't be).

James Harden - 45% from the field, 34% from three (on 6.3 attempts per), and 86% from the line. He is one of the worst perimeter defenders in the league, but he's fashionable to praise (though the honeymoon period for him is slowing down).

Kevin Love - 46% from the field, 38% from three (on 6.3 attempts per), and 83% from the line. He does a lot of other great things on the court (ALL THE REBOUNDS), but he's a truly terrible defensive player and he's never even come close to the playoffs, but he also has a pristine reputation with fans.

Carmelo Anthony - 45% from the field, 43% from three (on 5.3 attempts per), and 84% from the line. He's never missed the playoffs, is a perfectly average defender (now), carried the sorry ass Knicks of last season to the second best record in the East, is an improved passer, and a very solid rebounder. But he's a chucking team saboteur. It really doesn't make sense. Is he older than those guys? Yes. Can you justifiably prefer any of them over Carmelo? Sure. But the difference of opinion on those guys versus Carmelo held by many is almost irrational.
 
The hate for Melo is ridiculous... Would I take him on the Cavs with Kyrie? HELL YES. Melo and Kyrie could make each other better because they have never played with a player of each others caliber. No way in hell could you be mad if we got Carmelo Anthony, the all-star, the olympian, the scoring champ. Some people are absurd.
 
Goodness, why? That's bordering on sadistic (having said that, I'm totally with you on Felton though :chuckles:).


This Carmelo thing is just weird. As I've said before the large segment of Carmelo detractors is largely a product of it being in vogue to unfairly criticize him.

Part of why I'm bewildered about the passion behind it though:

Paul George - 44% from the field, 38% from three (on 6.2 attempts per), and 86% from the line. Though he's a two way player in the purest sense of the phrase which is why his reputation is as great as it is, he's hardly ever berated for his offense (and he shouldn't be).

James Harden - 45% from the field, 34% from three (on 6.3 attempts per), and 86% from the line. He is one of the worst perimeter defenders in the league, but he's fashionable to praise (though the honeymoon period for him is slowing down).

Kevin Love - 46% from the field, 38% from three (on 6.3 attempts per), and 83% from the line. He does a lot of other great things on the court (ALL THE REBOUNDS), but he's a truly terrible defensive player and he's never even come close to the playoffs, but he also has a pristine reputation with fans.

Carmelo Anthony - 45% from the field, 43% from three (on 5.3 attempts per), and 84% from the line. He's never missed the playoffs, is a perfectly average defender (now), carried the sorry ass Knicks of last season to the second best record in the East, is an improved passer, and a very solid rebounder. But he's a chucking team saboteur. It really doesn't make sense. Is he older than those guys? Yes. Can you justifiably prefer any of them over Carmelo? Sure. But the difference of opinion on those guys versus Carmelo held by many is almost irrational.

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