Carmelo Anthony

[TFIR]

I do watch a lot of Knicks, as a NY state resident who gets them as the local team.

From what I can see, Carmelo is having one of his best years ever actually. He is rebounding this year with new vigor!

His overall effort level FAR exceeds his teammates. Probably not saying much, but watching the games I actually feel sorry for him. With every loss he seems to still go back out
and REALLY kill himself out there to turn things around. But the team is so poor, not gonna happen.

 

[oasis05]

Melo makes a lot more sense than Deng. With Hawes needing a defensive power forward, it opens us up to sign an offensive small forward. Dellavedova also gives us some defense at shooting guard that should keep waiters on the bench. The more I think about it, the more I want the cavs to sign Melo.

 

[Triumph36]

Cavs... It's simple

1)Kyrie
2)Young core, up and coming
3)cap space
4)Draft picks

If you wouldn't take Melo on the Cavs, a team who struggles to get free agents, you are crazy. Top 10 player in the league to go along with Kyrie? Sign me up.

this melo and top 10 player stuff is super silly

Melo will be a Laker next year -- of that, I'm sure.

And Rich, given your list, who on there other than Iverson is a legitimate #2 option? And Melo played how many games with Iverson, again?

I think some folks are being overly critical of the guy to be honest.

i'd think they'd be the favorites, though i'm sure they'd exhaust all options re: a love trade before signing melo.

also i'll go on the record now saying melo to the lakers does not make them a playoff team.

 

[Kris032]

If we make a sales pitch to melo, what would be the most friendly contract we can give him? taking into consideration Kyrie and dion as well as TT (or AB) incoming contract extension.

 

[The Oi]

this melo and top 10 player stuff is super silly

If it's super silly, that would suggest there's not just 10 but presumably more than 10 players that are better than Melo right now.

Please name all 10 and if it's that silly to call him top 10, I'd ask you to name 3-4 more. Convince us he's barely in the top 15.

 

[Triumph36]

If it's super silly, that would suggest there's not just 10 but presumably more than 10 players that are better than Melo right now.

Please name all 10 and if it's that silly to call him top 10, I'd ask you to name 3-4 more. Convince us he's barely in the top 15.

lbj
cp3
durant
wade
harden
howard
curry
george
hibbert
m gasol
love
griffin
davis
horford
westbrook
irving

edit: not in order. also probably rose too if he ever actually plays basketball again.

so ya, top ~15 sounds about right.

 

[Cashius X]

lbj
cp3
durant
wade
harden
howard
curry
george
hibbert
m gasol
love
griffin
davis
horford
westbrook
irving

edit: not in order. also probably rose too if he ever actually plays basketball again.

so ya, top ~15 sounds about right.

You're reaching hard...

Melo is easily top 10 in the league. Stop.

 

[Triumph36]

You're reaching hard...

Melo is easily top 10 in the league. Stop.

you're right. if we completely disregard efficiency, basketball iq, defense and putting teammates in position to succeed then yes all those bolded players are totally reaches. melo scores more ppg so clearly he is better than everyone i guess.

you are drinking the casual-fan hype koolaid way too hard. if his name weren't 'carmelo anthony' he wouldn't even be in the discussion for top 10.

 

[Cashius X]

you're right. if we completely disregard efficiency, basketball iq, defense and putting teammates in position to succeed then yes all those bolded players are totally reaches.

melo scores more ppg so clearly he is better than everyone

Many of the players you listed are just as inept, if not more so, than Carmelo from a defensive standpoint. Matter fact, I don't even think Melo is as bad defensively as people make him out to be. I've heard he's terrible on that side of the floor many times, but I've never seen any numbers to back up that claim.

You're also mistaken in saying that Melo is inefficient. It's been brought up before in this thread that Melo actually shoots great %s not only in this season, but for his whole career.

Furthermore, what proof do you have that Melo's BBIQ is lower than those other players and that he doesn't put his teammates in positions to succeed? These seem like baseless statements to me...

 

[Cassity14]

you're right. if we completely disregard efficiency, basketball iq, defense and putting teammates in position to succeed then yes all those bolded players are totally reaches. melo scores more ppg so clearly he is better than everyone i guess.

you are drinking the casual-fan hype koolaid way too hard. if his name weren't 'carmelo anthony' he wouldn't even be in the discussion for top 10.

No offense, but I think you're drinking the haterade equally as much as anyone's drinking the hype koolaid.

Al Horford? Blake Griffin? Dwyane Wade? None of those guys, right now, are even in Melo's class!

I can agree on guys like Love and Harden because of the ball movement they generate opposite of what Melo does, which I alluded to earlier in the thread. I guess you can argue Gasol and to a lesser extent Hibbert because of the way they transform a team on defense. Gasol has enough offensive game as well. Hibbert is limited on that side of the ball.

Bottom line: If Carmelo Anthony ever can get off the ball more, hold the ball less before passing/shooting, commit himself HARD to defense, and get out of this shitty power forward role and back to where he belongs on the court, he could develop into the clear 3rd best player in the league.

 

[Triumph36]

Many of the players you listed are just as inept, if not more so, than Carmelo from a defensive standpoint. Matter fact, I don't even think Melo is as bad defensively as people make him out to be. I've heard he's terrible on that side of the floor many times, but I've never seen any numbers to back up that claim.

You're also mistaken in saying that Melo is inefficient. It's been brought up before in this thread that Melo actually shoots great %s not only in this season, but for his whole career.

Furthermore, what proof do you have that Melo's BBIQ is lower than those other players and that he doesn't put his teammates in positions to succeed? These seem like baseless statements to me...

all of the players i listed are 1) more efficient than melo offensively (ie: curry, harden, love), more efficient defensively (ie: hibbert, gasol tho he is a great 2way player) or both (ie: lebron, durant, george).

melo is not "inefficient" in the big picture. but he's not known for elite defense or distribution or anything; he's known for his supposedly elite offense. yet somehow quite a few players are more efficient than him. in other words, he's billed as an elite scorer but compared to the other elite scorers, he's inefficient.

also, those really aren't baseless statements. particularly re: the bbiq. check out a shot chart. compare melo's to other elite scorers like lebron, durant, harden etc. surprisingly, they have much better shot selection (perhaps this explains why they are way more efficient )

anyway, even if you want to be strict about "reaches" and take out guys like irving and horford (getting hurt really works against him in this case), melo still isn't top 10. there are way too many other players that are better offensively, better defensively, both, or just a better two way player overall. do you realize how absurd it is to call the best defensive player in the entire league a reach?

 

[Cashius X]

all of the players i listed are 1) more efficient than melo offensively (ie: curry, harden, love), more efficient defensively (ie: hibbert, gasol tho he is a great 2way player) or both (ie: lebron, durant, george).

melo is not "inefficient" in the big picture. but he's not known for elite defense or distribution or anything; he's known for his supposedly elite offense. yet somehow quite a few players are more efficient than him. in other words, he's billed as an elite scorer but compared to the other elite scorers, he's inefficient.

also, those really aren't baseless statements. particularly re: the bbiq. check out a shot chart. compare melo's to other elite scorers like lebron, durant, harden etc. surprisingly, they have much better shot selection (perhaps this explains why they are way more efficient )

anyway, even if you want to be strict about "reaches" and take out guys like irving and horford (getting hurt really works against him in this case), melo still isn't top 10. there are way too many other players that are better offensively, better defensively, both, or just a better two way player overall. do you realize how absurd it is to call the best defensive player in the entire league a reach?

Carmelo shoots 45% from the field and 42% from 3.

James Harden shoots 45% from the field and 34% from 3.

Steph Curry shoots 46% from the field and 42% from 3.

Kevin Love shoots 46% from the field and 38% from 3.

I'm not seeing how you come to the conclusion that the aforementioned players are "more efficient" than Melo. Compared to other elite scorers in the league, Carmelo still stands out at being near the top of his class. Furthermore, why does Carmelo's shot chart matter if he's scoring very efficiently? Seems kind of irrelevant to me.

There are only 4 guys in the league definitively better than Carmelo. LeBron, KD, CP3, and Paul George. That's it. After those players you could make a case for many players in terms of putting them in order in terms of greatness. Putting Melo outside the top 15 or 10 players in the league is crazy talk though, especially when you choose to include Kyrie. Really hurts your argument.

do you realize how absurd it is to call the best defensive player in the entire league a reach?

No. By your metric Hibbert must be a top 3 player in the league then. Apart from KD and LeBron no one impacts a game as much as Roy Hibbert does due to what he gives you on defense. Bottom line is, Melo is a better player overall than more than half the players you listed, including Marc Gasol and Roy Hibbert.

 

[Cashius X]

If he stays with the Knicks, it will pretty much cement that he cares more about money and living in New York than he does about winning. There is no reason for him to stay there when there are at least half a dozen teams with both cap space and much more promising rosters to play on.

[video=youtube;xIBVzl6zs_I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIBVzl6zs_I[/video]

3:20....

 

[gourimoko]

Please stop saying Melo is a "bad" defender or is "inept." It's just not backed up by factual data.

 

[The Oi]

lbj
cp3
durant
wade
harden
howard
curry
george
hibbert
m gasol
love
griffin
davis
horford
westbrook
irving

edit: not in order. also probably rose too if he ever actually plays basketball again.

so ya, top ~15 sounds about right.

This list is so far beyond asinine that I'll leave it to everyone else to waste time with you.