Cavaliers, Mavericks and Bobcats interested in DeMarcus Cousins

[Triplethreat]

If we can get Boogie Cousins for the pick, there's no way you can pass on that for Noel. Right?

I see no way we could pass on 17-10 production at the age of 22, and the potential to average 23-12 in his prime.. The guy is an absolute animal in the paint.

 

[Anglefan]

Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

If we can get Boogie Cousins for the pick, there's no way you can pass on that for Noel. Right?

I see no way we could pass on 17-10 production at the age of 22, and the potential to average 23-12 in his prime.. The guy is an absolute animal in the paint.

It won't be offered and there absolutely is a way you pass on that. Scoring isn't everything. Noel is a better fit for this team than Cousins. Not saying I wouldn't consider it, but I think ultimately I'd rather pick Noel.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

If we can get Boogie Cousins for the pick, there's no way you can pass on that for Noel. Right?

I see no way we could pass on 17-10 production at the age of 22, and the potential to average 23-12 in his prime.. The guy is an absolute animal in the paint.

I would pass on Cousins. He's like Carlos Boozer if Boozer was an even bigger asshole. He doesn't block shots, he doesn't impact the wins and losses. He just stacks up stats.

 

[Triplethreat]

Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

I would pass on Cousins. He's like Carlos Boozer if Boozer was an even bigger asshole. He doesn't block shots, he doesn't impact the wins and losses. He just stacks up stats.

I mean, the guy is stuck in the black hole that is Sacramento. Give him a break.


Cousin's ceiling is so much higher than Noel's reaches to, and he's a bigger bodied, traditional NBA Center. Not a Center in a PF body.

 

[MirORich]

Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

There's absolutely no way. He played 28 minutes a game and averaged 17 points, 10 boards and a block all while posting a 20.10 PER.

I know as Cavs fans we never really get a chance to watch Boogie, but if you look at his game log anytime he played more than 30 minutes he was usually well above 20 points per game, and at about 14 boards. The guy is fun to fuckin watch, and would fit beautifully beside Kyrie and TT.

This is personally my top situation, I just don't see the Kings offering it to us.

Boogie is talented but there are a few major concerns.

One: How long and on what contract does his mentality change from early Zach Randolph/Starbury to a mature team player who will commit to both sides of the game and who can keep his head in every game for 35-40 minutes? Randolph has been in a good place the past few years but it took him years to "get it" and stop being a knucklehead on and off the court. He had to go through 2-3 other organizations and be labeled as the problem before he matured, stopped hanging around the 3 pt line, and started playing smart and being a good teammate.

Two: Being a young guy who is highly offensively skilled, is he patient playing with Kyrie and Dion or does he get ornery every time he doesn't get X amount of touches in the post? One nice thing about Noel is that he has a sterling attitude, his biggest impact will be on defense, and his offense for the first few years will be dependent on pick and roll, cuts, putbacks, and alleyoops. It will allow Dion and Kyrie to have another year or two to figure out the balance of their offensive games working together without adding a third highly ball dependent guy who can be moody to the mix. That is something I like about all the top guys:Noel, Porter, Oladipo. they are all extremely high character, anything for the team guys who will not come in right away and expect to be the focal point of the offense. I would have those concern about DeMarcus.

 

[Nathan S]

Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

I mean, the guy is stuck in the black hole that is Sacramento. Give him a break.


Cousin's ceiling is so much higher than Noel's reaches to, and he's a more big body, traditional NBA Center. Not a Center in a PF body.

19.4 opponent PER, and strongly negative +/- numbers. Randolphkeys is spot on.

http://www.82games.com/1213/12SAC17.HTM

 

[Anglefan]

Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

So Cousins may average 22 points at his peak, but Noel could probably be in the 16 range on better efficiency. I think the defensive presence more than makes up for whatever gap in offensive talent there is.

 

[mofire]

Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

I mean, the guy is stuck in the black hole that is Sacramento. Give him a break.


Cousin's ceiling is so much higher than Noel's reaches to, and he's a more big body, traditional NBA Center. Not a Center in a PF body.

Still it's no reason to fight your coach, teammates, and opposing broadcasters, pile up the technicals and fines along with being dismissed from the team for a period of time, Ill pass.

 

[Soar]

Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

I mean, the guy is stuck in the black hole that is Sacramento. Give him a break.


Cousin's ceiling is so much higher than Noel's reaches to, and he's a more big body, traditional NBA Center. Not a Center in a PF body.

The bad situation argument can only go so far. Furthermore, if Speights doesn't fit the culture we are building, then there in no way in hell Cousins does. He won't be a Cav.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

If we can get Boogie Cousins for the pick, there's no way you can pass on that for Noel. Right?

I see no way we could pass on 17-10 production at the age of 22, and the potential to average 23-12 in his prime.. The guy is an absolute animal in the paint.

I would consider it but only if Sacramento's #1 this year was included (i.e. #1 / #19 for Cousins and #7) or the pick restrictions were stripped off of the future #1 we are owed.

I like Cousins but I'm not sure I do just a straight up swap of #1 overall for him.

 

[Triplethreat]

Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

So, in each of their primes you guys really believe Noel is going to be a better player than Cousins?

I don't see it at all, Cousins may have had his off-court moments but the talent is absolutely undeniable. The guy is painfully clear he doesn't want to be playing for that garbage team in Sacramento. Okay, good, I say send him to Cleveland and let's begin our playoff waltz.

A line up of:

Kyrie/Dion/Veteran?/TT/Cousins

is surely better than:

Kyrie/Dion/Veteran?/TT/Noel

He's a much better fit here, and he's not 206 pounds.

 

[TyGuy]

Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

Take it from the guy who lives in Sac and watches him play quite a bit. He is a low efficiency scorer who can rebound and complain with the best of them. He always has this look as if someone has directly farted into his face. His stomping around and whining gets on your nerves. He is also regularly suspended for "conduct detrimental to the team".

He has major maturity issues to say the least. Barkley said it best "by the time this guy gets it together it will be over". How many times can we say it about this guy "if he matures". He is a guy who can fly off the handle at any time and be suspended by the league when you need him most.

 

[Triplethreat]

Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

The bad situation argument can only go so far. Furthermore, if Speights doesn't fit the culture we are building, then there in no way in hell Cousins does. He won't be a Cav.

You're really comparing Speights and Cousins? Is this serious?

 

[shoes22]

Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

I mean, the guy is stuck in the black hole that is Sacramento. Give him a break.


Cousin's ceiling is so much higher than Noel's reaches to, and he's a bigger bodied, traditional NBA Center. Not a Center in a PF body.

Why are we automatically assuming this is a good thing? The NBA is moving away from having traditional centers.
The Heat don't have a traditional center, and they're still the favorites to win the championship.

 

[Anglefan]

Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

A line up of:

Kyrie/Dion/Veteran?/TT/Cousins

is surely better than:

Kyrie/Dion/Veteran?/TT/Noel

He's a much better fit here, and he's not 206 pounds.

Better for what? And how in the world is he a better fit than Noel?