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Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

Why are we automatically assuming this is a good thing? The NBA is moving away from having traditional centers.
The Heat don't have a traditional center, and they're still the favorites to win the championship.

Hmmm, I wonder why? Maybe it's because they have the best player in the entire world, paired with a mountain of shooters and Dwyane Wade. While all other teams are losing their best players to injury.


Having a large Center who can push around a "smaller" one is always going to be a large advantage, especially when these players are playing at the heights they do.
 
Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

You're really comparing Speights and Cousins? Is this serious?

:shakehead

I'm saying both have suspect character. If Speights doesn't fit our culture which has been reported, then Cousins would absolutely not fit our culture either. This isn't 2K. Players provide more to team than their talent, for better or for worse. Cousins falls in the worse category.
 
Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

Take it from the guy who lives in Sac and watches him play quite a bit. He is a low efficiency scorer who can rebound and complain with the best of them. He always has this look on his face as if someone has directly farted in his face. His stomping around and whining gets on your nerves. He is also regularly suspended for conduct detrimental to the team.

He has major maturity issues to say the least. Barkley said it best "by the time this guy gets it together it will be over". How many times can we say it about this guy "if he matures". He is a guy who can fly off the handle at any time and be suspended by the league when you need him most.

One of the better posts so far. I don't know terribly too much about Boogie, what I do know is he is tremendously talented and still has loads of potential to get better. I see Cousins ceiling as a lot higher than Noel's and a better fit into our team but the things you mentioned do throw up some big red flags. I think he'd be a lot happier playing in Cleveland with this young nucleus.
 
Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

I mean, the guy is stuck in the black hole that is Sacramento. Give him a break.

How can you be sure that you're not mixing up cause and effect, though? I mean, Cousins' attitude/effort issues certainly didn't just begin when he got to Sacramento...

And even still, what Noel should bring to the table is more conducive to winning than what Cousins brings, so I put Noel's upside higher even just looking at skills/ability.
 
Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

One of the better posts so far. I don't know terribly too much about Boogie, what I do know is he is tremendously talented and still has loads of potential to get better. I see Cousins ceiling as a lot higher than Noel's and a better fit into our team but the things you mentioned do throw up some big red flags. I think he'd be a lot happier playing in Cleveland with this young nucleus.
Talent is not the problem with him as his attitude is the limiting factor. He needs to be on a team with someone like Kevin Garnett who is going to kick his ass and keep him in line. Veteran leadership is what he desperately needs and we seem to be short on that. His game is still not close to where it needs to be. He will regularly bail the defense out by taking 15 footers instead of trying to go to work in the post. He finally developed some counter moves, but doesn't go to a left hook when he needs to, electing to take some kind of fadeaway. Speaking of a left handed hook shots, Nerlens actually has one.
 
Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

Alright here's my case for Cousins:


First of all, the guy is an absolute monster at 6 foot 11 inches, and 270 pounds. Definitely a much more ideal size for the Center position in the NBA. Size is something that really can't be too over-looked as Noel came in weighing 206 pounds. I think he can add at least 30 more pounds but is it really likely he gets to 250? 260? Only time will tell, but his body type is very comparable to a Chris Bosh. What is Noel going to do when facing Hibbert or Cousins or Noah? He's going to have a very tough time preventing deep post position. Cousins has the size to prevent the deep post position, but really has no-where near the ability of Noel when it comes to shot blocking.

Cousins is a blast to watch, just watch a video of Boogie Cousins playing basketball and there's absolutely no way you can say that you wouldn't LOVE to watch that type of talent put on the Wine & Gold. He's only 22, which is a major reason why I'd rather swing a deal for him than to go after a guy like LA, who's just entering his prime at 27. Cousins would have a very nice opportunity to grow with a really young core that he really does fit extremely nicely with. The potential is absolutely astounding with Cousins. Here's a nice exerpt I pulled from a Grantland article from a while back debating on who you'd rather build your team around, Cousins, or Wall.

"And what potential! Assuming he develops at a reasonable rate, Boogie should be good for 18 points and 14 boards a game. He should lead the league every year in offensive rebounds. He should shoot somewhere around 50 percent from the floor and present a matchup nightmare for nearly every team in the league. He can already face up in the post and shoot over defenders. (He doesn't do this particularly well, but just the ability to do this without turning over the ball is a testament to his body control and his feet.) He can score over either shoulder. He can spin to the basket and dunk. He's one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. At the age of 21, he already has the offensive skill set of Zach Randolph and one of three best rebounding noses in the league."

It's literally spot on. Cousins does a lot of things well, offensively he could be the most well rounded C in the league. He scores at an efficient enough rate (shooting percentage isn't fantastic) and this is playing in Sacramento where the weapons he has to utilize are extremely minimal.

I think if we were to bring Cousins to Cleveland it's quite possible playing with a couple of other potential future All-Stars like Kyrie Irivng, Dion Waiters and seeing how hard they work as well as Tristan could bring this guy to life because as I said, his potential is completely undeniable.



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So... Boogie Cousins: Worth the Risk? Most of you think not and I accept that, but don't be as quick to shrug off a potential multiple All-Star kind of guy.
 
Re: Nerlens Noel: Worth the Risk?

People making the argument for D Cousins are forgetting 2 things... with the new ownership taking over in Sacramento, the last thing they'll want to do is trade their most talented player. He will not be available, at least not for a package I'd want to give up. Also, he's not Charles Barkley in the attitude vs effort/production department. He's Derrick Coleman 2.0 with a similar ending to his career looming I fear.

No... thank... you...
 
Re: Trading for Cousins

I like Cousins more than Love. A three of Irving , Noel, Cousins would be the best young core in the nba and would eventually eclipse the Westbrook durant and ibaka. And sooner than you'd think.
 
Re: Trading for Cousins

Would they do #1 for Cousins straight up? I'd think the Cavs FO would certainly look at that. He is a dynamic center at 6'11 270 pounds who can shoot, score on the low post, rebound, and generate steals (1.4 spg, only 0.7 bpg) at the age of 22. Put up 17 ppg & 10 rpg (almost 3 apg), along with a PER of 20.21 last year playing only 30 mpg. Only shoots 45% however as well, which is very low for a big man.

Have to think he could be 20 & 10 guy if he ever puts it together, although that's the main red flag with him as he might never put it together. Great talent though, would fit well next to TT as well.
 
Re: Trading for Cousins

I'll take Cousins every day of the week.
 
Re: Trading for Cousins

I think people are overrating what it would take to get cousins. I wouldn't trade Noel for him, but I would trade Thompson for him. I think that's fair. No one complained when z shot 47%. His defense may never be great but I think he's likely to get better as he's only 22.
 
Re: Trading for Cousins

I think people are overrating what it would take to get cousins. I wouldn't trade Noel for him, but I would trade Thompson for him. I think that's fair. No one complained when z shot 47%. His defense may never be great but I think he's likely to get better as he's only 22.

People are underrating what it would take to get him if anything. I have no idea how you came to this.

I'm going to to put myself in the new owner's shoes. The only way I would even think about getting rid of Cousins if I wanted to start fresh and move in a new direction (which I don't think is going to even happen). I would want Noel + the 19th pick and to get their first rounder back at the very least. I would start the bidding with Noel + TT or Noel +Waiters.
 
Re: Trading for Cousins

I think you are overrating cousins offensive abilities and under rating thompsons interior defense and post defense. It's basically a swap of skill sets. Noel is a superior prospect to cousins coming out of college, only thing hurting Noel is the injury.
 
Re: Trading for Cousins

I think people are overrating what it would take to get cousins. I wouldn't trade Noel for him, but I would trade Thompson for him. I think that's fair. No one complained when z shot 47%. His defense may never be great but I think he's likely to get better as he's only 22.

Trade the team leader for a guy that is going to do nothing but distract the team?

No thanks.
 

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