Cavaliers, Mavericks and Bobcats interested in DeMarcus Cousins

[Scholar]

Do not take my words out of context or re-arrange them to benefit your post. I never said "He's going to be a 30/15 guy". I said he has the talent to be. He does.

I never said he was better than LeBron, nor did I say he would be. I said "but if he became fully invested & reached his full potential, he is worth more than any other player in the NBA with the possible exception of LeBron" For clarity, since your reading comprehension is poor, I will make it clear for you. If Cousins reaches his potential, he'd be worth more than any other player currently in the NBA, with the possible exception of LeBron. I give LeBron latitude due to his post acumen both offensively & defensively at the 4 position. A great Center is almost always worth more than any other position-player on the court. LeBron may be an exception, Jordan, and Kobe (in their primes) too. But the rule still applies.

Finally, I never said he was the next Shaq. I said Shaq was a good comparison for Cousins, in the context of what I was talking about, ie: Talent. Cousins has the same offensive capability (perhaps slightly less) in the post, with the size & strength to knock every other center currently in the NBA on their ass. Cousin's defense is also comparable to Shaq's. Whereas Shaq had team-mates who could play the game at a high level and allow him to excel, and top-notch coaching. Shaq is an excellent comparison to Cousins. He [Cousins] is not the "next" Shaq. He is the first DMC!

Next time you want to critique a person's opinion, try doing it without taking liberties when quoting what they said.

Name the last time a player actually put up 30/15 for a season. Go ahead and do it. That is an absolutely nonsensical suggestion that he could put up those numbers. Prove your work.

"Worth more then any other player with the possible exception of Lebron." You do know what the word "possible" means don't you? It means maybe. So, in your mind, it is certainly possible that he'll be better then everyone. If that isn't the case, why the hell didn't you just say that he will NOT be better then Lebron?

Look at what you just wrote about comparing him to Shaq. I was interpreting you correctly. You think he can be just as good as Shaq with absolutely no track record to support that. Following that line of reason, there is nothing wrong with me inferring that you think he is the next Shaq. You are certainly claiming he could have that kind of impact. Hell, claiming that you expect he'd put up 30/15 if he reaches full potential means that he'd be better then Shaq since Mr O.Neal never managed to put up those combined numbers in a single season.

I really don't care how you want to spin this crap. Really, Heath, I don't. But, it is so over the top to be completely laughable. I still can't get this absurd 30/15 number. Kareem, Wilt, they put up those kind of numbers. But, it is also over 40 years since either of those players accomplished that. Dude hasn't even put up a single 20/10 season. Now, a 20/10 season I certainly think is possible. But, 30/15 is HoF type numbers for players from a by gone era. How about seeing this player actually give a crap about the game first before suggesting such a lofty production level?

 

[daddywags]

The Bullshit Whisperer ‏@SamAmicoFSO 1h Source adds plenty of teams have or will ask about Cousins, but those such as Cavs staying away from his "consistent issues with structure."

The Bullshit Whisperer ‏@SamAmicoFSO 1h Despite reports & rumors, Cavs have zero interest in Kings C DeMarcus Cousins, source says. Bobcats do, but Kings' priority is to keep him.

Sorry, I don't know how to post tweets properly. If someone wants to clean this up, go ahead.

 

[Surge]

Sweet, safari successful!

 

[HNR]

Name the last time a player actually put up 30/15 for a season. Go ahead and do it. That is an absolutely nonsensical suggestion that he could put up those numbers. Prove your work.

"Worth more then any other player with the possible exception of Lebron." You do know what the word "possible" means don't you? It means maybe. So, in your mind, it is certainly possible that he'll be better then everyone. If that isn't the case, why the hell didn't you just say that he will NOT be better then Lebron?

Look at what you just wrote about comparing him to Shaq. I was interpreting you correctly. You think he can be just as good as Shaq with absolutely no track record to support that. Following that line of reason, there is nothing wrong with me inferring that you think he is the next Shaq. You are certainly claiming he could have that kind of impact. Hell, claiming that you expect he'd put up 30/15 if he reaches full potential means that he'd be better then Shaq since Mr O.Neal never managed to put up those combined numbers in a single season.

I really don't care how you want to spin this crap. Really, Heath, I don't. But, it is so over the top to be completely laughable. I still can't get this absurd 30/15 number. Kareem, Wilt, they put up those kind of numbers. But, it is also over 40 years since either of those players accomplished that. Dude hasn't even put up a single 20/10 season. Now, a 20/10 season I certainly think is possible. But, 30/15 is HoF type numbers for players from a by gone era. How about seeing this player actually give a crap about the game first before suggesting such a lofty production level?

30/15 is estimation. If you have a young guy that gets you 17/9, you wouldn't be hesitant to call him a 20/10 guy would you? For guys around 30/15 that are not from a "bygone era", how about Patrick Ewing? 7'0 240 LBS. When he was in his 3rd season he averaged 20.2/8.2 , by his 6th season he averaged 26.6/11.2 (The previous year it was 28.6/10.9 - his break-out year). Those are numbers I could translate to 30/15. Hakeem Olajuwon Averaged 25+ points 4 times in his career, and 12+rpg 6 times in his career. He played until 2002. Certainly not a "bygone" era. Karl Malone had 4+ seasons of 27+/11+ . Definitely in the range. He played through 2004. Not a bygone era. Yes, these guys are HOF guys. Yes, I compare Cousins potential to them, because that is his potential. He has superstar potential. HOF potential. Duncan has averaged 25.5/12.7, he isn't from a bygone era is he?And the guy I compared his talent to: Shaq - 29.9/13.7 in 2000 is definitely comparable to a 30/15 season, and not from a bygone era.

I never inferred that Cousins talent was or ever could be better than James'. I said if he reached his talent potential, that he is WORTH more than James, possibly. That is even with James being more talented. You misinterpreted me, and then changed my words.

To be completely clear, I believe that Cousins has the ability to be one of the top-5 centers of all time. I think he is a one-in-a-generation talent (like James). His attitude has held him back, or this would not even be a discussion. I think the argument is mute, because I don't think the Kings are trading him. I wish the Cavs could get him, because he is a super-rare talent. I compare him to Shaq, because I think he is his best comparison. I really hope he gets it together, whether he gets traded here or not.

 

[wremy]

Sweet, safari successful!

exactly!.... nobody wants this immature cry baby on our team... Sacramento can keep him and watch him continue to act a fool on and off the court

 

[Jack Brickman]

30/15 is estimation. If you have a young guy that gets you 17/9, you wouldn't be hesitant to call him a 20/10 guy would you?

I would, because 17/9 ain't 20/10.

 

[The Voice]

30/15 is estimation. If you have a young guy that gets you 17/9, you wouldn't be hesitant to call him a 20/10 guy would you?

So to clarify is 26/13 a 30/15 guy? At what point does it fall off?

 

[beefstew]

So, let's never bring up DMC again then

 

[KB]

I would, because 17/9 ain't 20/10.

What HNR meant, which I thought was easy to understand, was that if a player is the same age as Cousins 22ish as well as with the talent level that Cousins has that if Cousins is already putting up 17-9 in the 3-5 years before his prime you could estimate his improvement to say that he should shortly develop into a 20-10 player and when this player hits his prime years those numbers could jump even higher

 

[Nathan S]

Cousins would be a great player if the only stats that mattered were points and rebounds.

 

[Mdog1]

So to clarify is 26/13 a 30/15 guy? At what point does it fall off?

My current NBA stats - 0/0, but by rounding I actually average 10/10. I want that Roy Hibbert money next season.

 

[Nw220]

Haven't gone thru all the pages but I did just see that cavs aren't interested due to his immature behavior, I think Cousins has elite ability but if he doesn't have the dedication plus commitment then it's smart for the Cavs to stay away...seems we are sticking to are guns with building this team around character which is a very good thing and Cousins is a Cancer unfournately...

 

[Kizzle]

The way were talking we may actually bring in a good player through FA this year or next. Cousins NOT the targe but prying Pekovic from Minnesota by overpaying for Pekovic a little seems a little more realistic. Question is, if we draft Noel do we really go hard at Pekovic in RFA?

 

[Los216]

The way were talking we may actually bring in a good player through FA this year or next. Cousins NOT the targe but prying Pekovic from Minnesota by overpaying for Pekovic a little seems a little more realistic. Question is, if we draft Noel do we really go hard at Pekovic in RFA?

I may be in the minority but I don't want Pek

 

[Kizzle]

I may be in the minority but I don't want Pek

Its good just have a reason why when someone gets smart with you and asks you why.lol You know people dont like divergent ideas here