Cavs close to multiple trades? (Hoopsworld Speculation)

[hn3108]

Re: Cavs close to mutiple trades?

Really? So you prefer the Cavs to suck for 5 years............ Pray the ping ball ball bounce our way and then pray some more that our top picks turn in to studs... ? I'd prefer to see what magic Gilbert can do with his billions of dollars than follow the same path the Cleveland Browns were on the past 10 years..

I saw this adn I thought to myself, how much is Dan Gilberts net worth? So I looked and saw that his Net worth is $900 million and hes #384 of the top 400 richest men in America.

Fun fact on Gilbert: Sports fanatic: purchased NBA's Cleveland Cavaliers for $375 million; plays pickup basketball, attempting to break Michigan's steroid-free bench-pressweightlifting record. On board of Children's Tumor Foundation.


$900 million, and hes a bad ass. I like what hes capable of. I also see that he turns nothing into something multiple times in his career:
Started small mortgage company in 1985 with $5,000 made from delivering pizzas in college. Sold to Intuit for $532 million in 1999; bought it back 3 years later for $64 million.

So he soild it for half a billion, and paid 64 mil to get it back and make money off it. He has my total and complete faith in a turnover.

 

[borgon]

Re: Cavs close to mutiple trades?

Some of you need to fucking grow up. Jeebus! You don't lose a guy like "that guy" and contend for the ring. If this team makes the playoffs, it would be a great thing.

There are 10 confused men currently on our roster, who were dissed by "that guy", a new set of coaches, limited cap room, and some older bodies. A new first time GM, and an angry owner.

You cannot be as jaded and self absorbed as #6. If 45 wins isn't good enough for you next year, get off the bus now and cheer for the Lakers, Celtics, Heat or Bulls. You are not Cavs fans. You are frontrunners.

Everybody else...let's help our team by being positive.

plius one. While I think tearing down and rebuilding is the right way to build a team, the Cavs - and a lot of the fans - aren't ready for that right now. Lets use that TPE, Delonte and some Miami picks and put together a squad that can win 45-55 wins and then do some serious rebuilding in 2-3 years when the stench of "that guy" has worn off.

If we're lucky, our squad will take out miami in the playoffs.

 

[Real Deal]

I take it there's no updated news yet?

Please get something done so i can officially move on and be optimistic.

 

[Double O]

Re: Cavs close to mutiple trades?

I now firmly believe that to the city of Cleveland, the Cavaliers beating the Heat is right on par with the Browns beating the Steelers.

 

[Da_James_Gang]

ahhh viewing our players through rose-colored glasses

I'm sorry but i agree that we can get more for Mo, if it was a sign and trade for Shaq with Marvin i would do it. It falls in line with the earlier tweets about us looking at guys who have yet to live up to their potential. But i think you can get a little more value for Mo.

 

[Real Deal]

Re: Cavs close to mutiple trades?

I now firmly believe that to the city of Cleveland, the Cavaliers beating the Heat is right on par with the Browns beating the Steelers.

Most def..

 

[jcefaratti]

Re: Cavs close to mutiple trades?

Yeah, I do, because it's nearly impossible to built a title team in the City of Cleveland otherwise.

I want an NBA championship, I want a team that will legitimately compete.


The teams in the worst positions in the NBA are the teams that have a giant payroll, no elite talent, and win between 35 and 45 games. That is the worst place to be as an NBA franchise and we are bulldozing our way towards that very goal if we plan on trying to "compete".


I would rather watch a young exciting team of flawed young players win 20 games than watch a veteran squad 8 million dollars into the luxury tax win 43 games. Sure, you might get to watch a few home playoff games otherwise, but when the next season after that you're not going to improve to a contender while that 20 win team has a chance to add a player that could turn the team into a contender for years.

Sure, it's a risk, but isn't that what we're supposed to be about as a basketball team? Taking calculated risks to try and maximize our ceiling for the future?

Not following this entire thread but...

Wouldn't getting Teague, Williams and Childress for Shaq/Mo mean getting a young team of flawed players??

A Team of:

Teague/Gibson/Telfair (7m)
Childress/Green/Parker/West (13m)
Williams/Moon/Williams (12m)
Hickson/Jamison (15m)
Varejao/Powe (8m)

That is ~55m in salaries.

I am assuming we trade Parker, Telfair, Moon, Jamison and West though. Left with around ~30m in salaries for 2011.

That team would win 25-30 games as it is and get a high lotto pick next year. They would also be somewhat fun to watch...i think. And with only we could easily offer a max deal for some player in next years class.

 

[Ryno]

I know this doesn't belong here, but....ugh

Cavs free agent center Zydrunas Ilgauskas tells Miami Herald he's "looking into option" of joining buddy LeBron in Miami, likeky at vet min

 

[RDriesen]

I'm sorry but i agree that we can get more for Mo, if it was a sign and trade for Shaq with Marvin i would do it. It falls in line with the earlier tweets about us looking at guys who have yet to live up to their potential. But i think you can get a little more value for Mo.

I don't think we can, but that is just my opinion.

 

[Bux42]

I would love to see us go after DeAndre Jordan from the Clippers. His size and athleticism are very similar to Howard's coming in, but obviously Dwight actually had some real coaching, whereas DeAndre has been stuck playing for the Clippers.

He's still super young, his potential is through the roof, is a fantastic rebounder and power post scorer just like Dwight, and had quite a few 10-12 point 15 rebound games for them once they actually put him in the starting lineup....

 

[daddywags]

I think it would have to be two trades because if we S&T Shaq we can't couple him with another player. I could see us being interested in Marvin Williams, though, but I don't like his contract. Too many years and too much money. Maybe if they took Mo's contract off our hands for, say, Jamal Crawford's ending deal we could get something done. Otherwise, I'm not sure why we would be looking to take on a non-proven player owed $30 million over the next four years.

 

[Triumph36]

I'm sorry but i agree that we can get more for Mo, if it was a sign and trade for Shaq with Marvin i would do it. It falls in line with the earlier tweets about us looking at guys who have yet to live up to their potential. But i think you can get a little more value for Mo.

a little more....sure, but not much. Every team that isn't close to contending doesn't need him so that eliminates a lot of options. Then you remove the close-to-contending teams with superior PGs, which narrows down the list even more. THEN you consider how he disappears in the playoffs, makes stupid guarantees, and is paid $27M or so over the next 3 years which narrows down the list of possible suitors even further. Basically what I'm saying is a player like Mo is not in high demand around the league and the package you receive for him will reflect that.

saying something like "if they aren't willing to give up Smith, we shouldn't give up Mo" is laughable because it suggests those players have similar value which is completely false.

 

[Click Clack]

Marvin Williams could have a lot of upside with the right coaching. With Byron Scott coaching him if we acquired him, who knows, he may show significant improvement.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I think it would have to be two trades because if we S&T Shaq we can't couple him with another player.

Not to jump on you or anything, but I need to clear this misconception up. I don't know where it started but it has spread by wildfire all across every forum I've read..


THERE IS NO RULE PREVENTING YOU FROM INCLUDING MULTIPLE PLAYERS ALONG WITH A SIGNED/TRADED PLAYER IN A TRADE. IT DOESN'T EXIST.

 

[Bux42]

Williams makes roughly as much as Mo does over the next few years...and he isn't nearly as good right now. Does he have the potential to be? Sure...but it seems like he would have started to show something by this point, and averaging less than 10 a game while starting every single game isn't showing anything.

The NBA has become more so about potential than actual talent, especially the draft. Your always going to see some busts in any professional draft, but come on...the NBA draft seemingly is about 75% busts every year now, with only the top 5 players making any significant impact first and second year.