Cavs made offer for Aldridge

[KB]

Re: Cavs make offer for Aldridge

Really? Stooping to use per game averages when you know full well Aldridge played much heavier minutes than Thompson?

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LMA played 37 minutes a game to Thompson's 31 last season which end up being 200 more minutes at the end of the season

Why would I stop using per game averages in regards to starters or players who averaged more than 30 minutes a game for a whole season? Do you just not like them because you can't use them to support your statement

Advanced stats and per 36 is nice for projecting draft picks or young players who haven't played a lot of minutes

When a player is starting in the NBA and playing over 30 minutes you have to use eyeballs in conjuction with per game averages.

Every other advanced stat or per 36 is just a theoretical predictor due to the extrapolated data or a collection of metadata.

Per 36 is a complete extrapolation of data.

Almost any player averaging 20 minutes or less will see a pretty big jump when you looking at their per 36,

A player averaging 30 minutes a night will see a minor jump to their per 36

Finally players averaging more than 36 minutes per game see a decline from per game season averages when looking at their per 36.

We can talk per 36 or advanced stats all you want but what matters in the end is the basic average production you can get per game from a player and with LMA you get a guy who has averaged at least 17-7 on 48% fg 75%ft since his 2nd year in the league. Games are not won with a PER rating or adding a teams per 36 numbers to a box score.

When you say stop using per game averages that only works if you want to say the following statement is true:

If the Cavs traded for LMA they won't play LMA 37-40 minutes a game. Instead the Cavs would drop LMA down to the same amount of minutes that Tristan played when he was here and only play LMA 30 minutes a night, for the sake of his per 36 numbers.

Second

In his 2nd year LMA average 34 mintues a game to Tristans 31 in his...LMA went for 17-7 on 48% from the field that year

LMA was a far better player as a 2nd year player than Tristan was, it's not even close. LMA will end up the better player between the two when it's all said and done. Just don't see Tristan developing the offensive game that LMA has, he just doesn't have the feel for that side of the ball.

 

[Nathan S]

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LMA played 37 minutes a game to Thompson's 31 last season which end up being 200 more minutes at the end of the season

Why would I stop using per game averages in regards to starters or players who averaged more than 30 minutes a game for a whole season? Do you just not like them because you can't use them to support your statement

Advanced stats and per 36 is nice for projecting draft picks or young players who haven't played a lot of minutes

When a player is starting in the NBA and playing over 30 minutes you have to use eyeballs in conjuction with per game averages.

Every other advanced stat or per 36 is just a theoretical predictor due to the extrapolated data or a collection of metadata.

Per 36 is a complete extrapolation of data.

Almost any player averaging 20 minutes or less will see a pretty big jump when you looking at their per 36,

A player averaging 30 minutes a night will see a minor jump to their per 36

Finally players averaging more than 36 minutes per game see a decline from per game season averages when looking at their per 36.

We can talk per 36 or advanced stats all you want but what matters in the end is the basic average production you can get per game from a player and with LMA you get a guy who has averaged at least 17-7 on 48% fg 75%ft since his 2nd year in the league. Games are not won with a PER rating or adding a teams per 36 numbers to a box score.

When you say stop using per game averages that only works if you want to say the following statement is true:

If the Cavs traded for LMA they won't play LMA 37-40 minutes a game. Instead the Cavs would drop LMA down to the same amount of minutes that Tristan played when he was here and only play LMA 30 minutes a night, for the sake of his per 36 numbers.

Second

In his 2nd year LMA average 34 mintues a game to Tristans 31 in his...LMA went for 17-7 on 48% from the field that year

LMA was a far better player as a 2nd year player than Tristan was, it's not even close. LMA will end up the better player between the two when it's all said and done. Just don't see Tristan developing the offensive game that LMA has, he just doesn't have the feel for that side of the ball.

Good lord I don't know how you managed to make this into such a complicated issue. Thompson grabbed 17.5% of available rebounds last season, good for 30th in the league among players with at least 200 minutes. Aldridge grabbed 14.0% of available rebounds last season, ranking 91st. It's not close. Through some combination of skill, motor, and where he spends time on the court, Tristan just grabs a lot more boards than Aldridge does.

 

[gourimoko]

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Good lord I don't know how you managed to make this into such a complicated issue. Thompson grabbed 22.1% of available rebounds last season. Aldridge grabbed 14.0% of available rebounds last season. It's not even close. Through some combination of skill, motor, and where he spends time on the court, Tristan just grabs a lot more boards than Aldridge does.

Aldridge was likely initiating the offense for most of the offensive rebounds being measured, and was more likely positioned closer to the perimeter even on defense. Again, the purely statistical comparison isn't really applicable because they play very different styles and have very different roles.

 

[Nathan S]

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Aldridge was likely initiating the offense for most of the offensive rebounds being measured, and was more likely positioned closer to the perimeter even on defense. Again, the purely statistical comparison isn't really applicable because they play very different styles and have very different roles.

Sure, that may account for part of the difference in rebound rate, but I don't think you can chalk it all up to Aldridge's offensive role. Kevin Love has maintained a much higher offensive rebound rate in spite of being shorter, playing more on the perimeter, and playing a larger role in his team's offense. Every player has a weakness or two, and for Aldridge one of them happens to be rebounding.

 

[gourimoko]

Re: Cavs make offer for Aldridge

Sure, that may account for part of the difference in rebound rate, but I don't think you can chalk it all up to Aldridge's offensive role. Kevin Love has maintained a much higher offensive rebound rate in spite of being shorter, playing more on the perimeter, and playing a larger role in his team's offense. Every player has a weakness or two, and for Aldridge one of them happens to be rebounding.

Or Kevin Love is simply an exceptional rebounder, which he is. Remember the comparison is Tristan Thompson who lives in the post vs. LaMarcus Aldridge who doesn't. Kevin Love is a different argument. While I see what you're trying to say, I think anyone would concede that Love might be one of the absolute best rebounding bigs in the NBA; amazingly, while playing no defense whatsoever.

 

[mAo_mAo]

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Or Kevin Love is simply an exceptional rebounder, which he is. Remember the comparison is Tristan Thompson who lives in the post vs. LaMarcus Aldridge who doesn't. Kevin Love is a different argument. While I see what you're trying to say, I think anyone would concede that Love might be one of the absolute best rebounding bigs in the NBA; amazingly, while playing no defense whatsoever.

He probably gets a ton of rebound because of that.

 

[Derek]

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The point I'm trying to make is, Brandon Roy was a great player. Portland is a lottery team without him. Don't overvalue LMA just because he was on a team that won 51 games one season.

They would have been a lotto team without LMA as well

Tristan is a significantly better rebounder than Aldridge, both offensively and defensively. And it's not just because TT plays closer to the rim on offense. He's just flat out a better rebounder. Aldridge is actually a pretty poor rebounder for his size/position.

TT: TRB% 17.5, 10.9 reb per36
Aldridge: TRB% 14 (a career high), 8.6 reb per36

Remember when TT was playing alongside Varejao early in the season and Tristan's job was to just of out and let Varejao roam for rebounds?

That's what LMA has done for most of his career. So, while LMA hasn't put up the gaudy numbers, his on/off court impact is noticeable in their rebounding stats, often even more so than their "good" rebounders.

He's played alongside high volume rebounders in Hickson, Camby, Oden and Pryzbilla for his career. Fundamentally, he's a good rebounder, he just doesn't get the big numbers.

 

[miller810]

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Good lord I don't know how you managed to make this into such a complicated issue. Thompson grabbed 17.5% of available rebounds last season, good for 30th in the league among players with at least 200 minutes. Aldridge grabbed 14.0% of available rebounds last season, ranking 91st. It's not close. Through some combination of skill, motor, and where he spends time on the court, Tristan just grabs a lot more boards than Aldridge does.

Do you have AV's stats on this before he got hurt?

 

[Randolphkeys]

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It seems to me that if LaMarcus Aldridge was the goal with #1 and #19, the Cavaliers have learned that the Blazers don't value this draft very highly. I don't think many teams have much value on the draft. The Bulls and LaMarcus reportedly have some mutual interest. I'm still hoping a team wants to cut salary and rebuild with some Cavaliers assets.

 

[KB]

Re: Cavs make offer for Aldridge

http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/6/2...rs-discussed-possibility-of-lamarcus-aldridge

Shelburne: Blazers, Clippers Discussed Possibility Of LaMarcus Aldridge Trade

By Ben Golliver on Jun 26 2013, 4:16p


Ramona Shelburne of ESPNLA.com reports on Twitter that the Los Angeles Clippers and Portland Trail Blazers discussed a trade involving All-Star forward LaMarcus Aldridge but that the talks didn't progress.

Clippers did get a call about LaMarcus, too, but as one person put it, "where's the fit?"

A Blazers spokesperson told Blazersedge on Wednesday that GM Neil Olshey -- who has been in his annual media blackout for pre-draft preparations -- was "unavailable for comment" regarding Aldridge trade rumors and reports.

Earlier Wednesday, multiple reports indicated that the Blazers and Clippers had discussed a trade involving Clippers center DeAndre Jordan.

A report on Wednesday indicated that Aldridge has interest in playing for the Chicago Bulls.

Chad Ford of ESPN.com also reported Wednesday that there is a "solid chance" Aldridge is traded this summer.

Earlier this week, Aldridge's name was put out there as a possible candidate for a draft week trade.

Back in May, there was some chatter that Aldridge might be traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers for the No. 1 pick.

Also in May, Aldridge offered this assessment of his standing with the Blazers.

LA: You know, as of now I'm here and we have a great team. I'm here now and we have a team that can definitely get better next year and we have cap room so we can bring in players. So I'm definitely here, and we'll see what happens.

During his April exit interview, Aldridge suggested it could take two years for the Blazers toreturn to the playoffs.

Where this team is headed: "This year was a down year. I think it was better than what people thought it would be, it ended bad. I think if we add one or two pieces this summer and we have one OK season, I feel like that following season we should be good, really good."
...
Timeline for improvement: "I think just getting into the playoffs isn't good. I've done that. I think one year of maybe, barely getting in or not getting in, and that next year we should be able to really be serious about it

Here was Blazers GM Neil Olshey's response to Aldridge's exit interview comments.

I don't think you can speculate today because I don't know what free agency is going to bring, I don't know what the draft is going to bring, I don't know what trades are going to bring. But I know we're going to do everything we can to build the roster. To sit here and put an artificial expectation on what a roster may or may not be when you only have eight returning players and you haven't drafted yet or gone into free agency doesn't make a lot of sense.

But I do know from L.A.'s perspective, we talked, and he knows we're going to be aggressive in building the roster. I'd like to think the improvement from the guys who are already here on top of the guys we're going to bring in will make us a factor faster rather than later.

Aldridge, 27, is under contract through the 2014-15 season.

 

[gratefuldead]

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so portland told us no for 1-19 but was thinking deandre fucking jordan??

 

[kevinoc0]

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LaMarcus Aldridge Wants Trade From Blazers, Deems Portland Too Small
Jun 27, 2013 2:08 AM EDT


LaMarcus Aldridge has wanted out of Portland since the last week of the Trail Blazers' season and did not resign sponsorship deals in Portland this past year, including agreements with Cadillac, Chevy, and Providence Hospital while asking to get out of a lease on his Pearl District condo.

Aldridge tried to put a clause into his lease that he will not have to pay penalties if he was traded.

“This is why I hate being in Portland,’’ Aldridge said during the last week of the season. “You can’t do anything.’’

According to the report, Aldridge would not only welcome a trade from the Blazers, but he hopes for one, believing the city is too boring and small.

Neil Olshey said he sympathized with the constant change Aldridge has gone through with the Blazers, but the GM was adamant he would not be shopping the All-Star forward.

“Well, I’ll tell you this: I’m not going to be making any phone calls to move him,’’ Olshey said. “But if the phone rings and it makes the team better ...’’

Via Jason Quick/The Oregonian

Fred Armisen and Carrie Brownstein take offense to this comment. I was somewhat shocked when I read his quotation about the city, but then I remembered what era of basketball we're watching.

Link to Full Article

 

[Chris]

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What a jackass. Do not want.

 

[Soda]

Re: Cavs make offer for Aldridge

Wants out of Portland because it's too small? Yeesh.. Cleveland is definitely not going to make him happy, then.

Just because players shouldn't think about things outside of basketball when choosing a place to play doesn't mean that they don't... We can criticize all day, but it doesn't change the reality. I, for one, am not really looking to trade a young and good player for a guy that is not committed to being on a championship contender IN CLEVELAND.

 

[Chris]

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Wants out of Portland because it's too small? Yeesh.. Cleveland is definitely not going to make him happy, then.

Just because players shouldn't think about things outside of basketball when choosing a place to play doesn't mean that they don't... We can criticize all day, but it doesn't change the reality. I, for one, am not really looking to trade a young and good player for a guy that is not committed to being on a championship contender IN CLEVELAND.

Yep. Not the kind of guy I want. LaMarcus is nowhere near good enough for me to look past that kind of deficiency, and trust me, it is a deficiency.

Sad, but I'm not heartbroken over it. Why the Cavs are so anxious to trade away this pick, I have no idea.