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Wow people are actually talking about winning and competing for playoffs? You guys want an eternally mediocre team like the Hawks or the Pacers? Only option here is to clean the deck of anyone over 24 and TANK. At least we have some fun young talent to watch already. But God. Dont want what you people are smoking.
Win today, Win tomorrow, Win until Winning is a habit. San Antonio is the franchise to copy.
 
@InBoobieWeTrust How exactly do you disagree with facts?

I mean the kid is a good kid and the truth hurts-- but it is what it is.

Ty Lue had to dance around his health the entire last post season, and he wasnt even one of our main players. Literally benched him whole series so his body could hold up in later ones.
 
My thinking is if we commit to winning and Love while getting our pick back from Atlanta, we would take the extra step to actually make a playoff push. If we are going to roll with Hill, I'd rather have Sexton start.

My idea was just to make the best possible team without giving up an assets. We actually gain assets back in that scenario. I also think it clears up some of our issues of having too many SGs and the need to fill the hole at SF. Also we won't have much committed to Bledsoe so if Sexton out plays him, you could reduce his minutes and let Sexton start.

I still think we need to take out the trash, if at all possible. JR and TT need to go. Hill and Korver are not trash, but they are old, and more useful to some other team.
 
I still think we need to take out the trash, if at all possible. JR and TT need to go. Hill and Korver are not trash, but they are old, and more useful to some other team.
TT and Jr definitely needs to go. Trade them for 2nd rounders. Hill, Korver, and Love should be kept until the deadline. They will help in the development of the young players.
 
I'm sure Love will get injured for a few months and Lue is going to play Nance for 15 minute stretches until he's injured. Who knows what JR is going to do without Lebron. TT is determined to shine now that Lebron is gone. That can only be good for us....

I think we're going to be alright pick wise.

Suns, Kings, Memphis, Dallas, and the Bulls should also be improved this year.

I don’t think TT can shine. He had no skills to begin with, and that leg injury took a lot of his burst and ability to make hustle plays. Even if he dedicates himself, he’s a very limited player.
 
I don't see the need to tank. It does nothing to create a winning culture. Yeah, you could land a big fish, but you can often land one later. I also suspect that Altman will try to get a first rounder next year one way or the other. I doubt the Cavs will be spending cash next year, so they may go into the draft with almost all of their cash available to spend. Buying a pick is possible.

They will also go into the trade deadline with some nice expiring contracts that can free up more space for teams like the Knicks, Lakers, Clippers, Magic, etc. There are A LOT of free agents on the market next year.

Though the Cavs could play in that market. While Cleveland may not be a marquee destination, players still want to get paid and when there are so many Durants, Kawhis, Butlers, etc on the market, sometimes you can get someone to come to C-Town. Klay Thompson, Tobias Harris, Kyrie, etc are all there. So either the Cavs can make a run at them or they can charge a fee to facilitate other teams to have more space. New York, for instance, needs help to clear a Max slot. You KNOW they would LOVE to go after Kyrie.

The Cavs could stretch Thompson and have $20-25M while possibly keeping Love. There are some gymnastic moves to make, but they are possible.

So they will have chances to get a draft pick or future picks if they'd like. That may or may not involve trading Love. Remember that Love can contribute to playoff team, but he can also give a team a lot of freed up salary space if he opts out. Hill's contract can clear $17M off the books for a team.

It's also worth remembering the amount of players that were not high lotto picks (top 5). Kobe was drafted at 13. Curry at 7. Klay at 11. Kawhi at 15. Jimmy Butler at 30. Paul George at 10. Rudy Gobert at 27. Draymond at 35. Paul Millsap at 47.

Scouting and development are SO important. In the past, the Cavs have just trusted that tanking would solve the winning issue for them and they often made bad decisions (like trading Jamal Crawford for Chris Mihm or drafting Diop).

LeBron James fell into the Cavs lap. He came from the area. This is not going to happen again and just relying on tanking guarantees nothing. The Cavs tried it and failed utterly by making bad decisions.

Kyrie was a great pick. I'll give them Tristan because he did help in the end, but his time is done. The Cavs have to manage the draft better regardless of where they pick. The ATL pick can be conveyed this year and then be done. That would then give Koby a clean slate with little left from Griffin's tenure.

But the Cavs whiffed so much even when they had a high pick. Dion Waiters - could've had Barnes. Could've had Oladipo. Even Wiggins was really a whiff compared to others after. Tanking is immaterial if the team can't identify talent and we've seen some clubs that have a nose for it - and they win. Witness how often San Antonio finds people.

If the org wants to go for wins, then they should. Dan spent a fortune the past few years and if he feels a playoff shot could help him refill the coffers, fine.

We have some nice young talent. We need to be sure it is well coached. We need to supplement it. We need to find the leader (Sexton appears on his way already).

And let's just enjoy the ride. We can shake the saber about needing to tank, but that doesn't make them do a thing. I just want to get back to some real basketball and see what we have in Cedi, Ante, Sexton, and others.

And, honestly, I think having some vet guys with playoff experience around is better than letting these guys have to fly blind.
 
I don’t think TT can shine. He had no skills to begin with, and that leg injury took a lot of his burst and ability to make hustle plays. Even if he dedicates himself, he’s a very limited player.
That's the thing I worry about most is them giving TT the last little bit of run. Nance and Zizic need the minutes at 5. TT can play in laughers or if guys are hurt. He never developed any kind of offensive game, even just in the post, so he has no use right now. Both Zizic and Nance can already do a lot more down low than he can.

Need to find a left 4 with stretch ability to work behind Love.
 
Any photoshop whiz want to make this into a "Sex and the Cedi" poster?

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I still think we need to take out the trash, if at all possible. JR and TT need to go. Hill and Korver are not trash, but they are old, and more useful to some other team.

I agree about moving TT and JR. If I were Koby, I'd tell Rich Paul that he can go shop better situations for his clients. That minutes and rotation spots will have to be earn from this point forward.

As for Hill, if we can get an upgrade I'd do it. His lack of consistency on offense in the playoffs was a real disappointment to me. If we move him for a player at a position of need I'd do that too. After seeing Sexton in summer league, I'd be comfortable starting him and getting a guy like Shabazz Napier to back him up.

I'd also move Korver as soon as possible. I know he would be great to help the young guys but he will cross the line of being a useful to useless player at some point because of his age. We don't want him on our roster when that happens.
 
If Atlanta gets the pick in 2020, I'm ok with that, but having a draft pick next year impresses me as important.

Nothing is set in stone with when they will change the one and done rule. It's being rumored it will be 2021 but if happens a year earlier and it will hurt even more.
 
If you have a debt to pay off and you can do it in one year instead of three, you do it.

The Cavs have a debt. Clearing the debt gives them certainty of future draft picks. Not doing so creates two years of uncertainty and the debt does not fully come off the ledger until 2022.

They have an opportunity to clear it and should be good enough to allow for that. Next year is a weaker draft.

Clear the ledger.
 
If you have a debt to pay off and you can do it in one year instead of three, you do it.

The Cavs have a debt. Clearing the debt gives them certainty of future draft picks. Not doing so creates two years of uncertainty and the debt does not fully come off the ledger until 2022.

They have an opportunity to clear it and should be good enough to allow for that. Next year is a weaker draft.

Clear the ledger.
Well your metaphor breaks down in that if in the next two years the Cavs draft in the top 10, the debt greatly reduces in value. Plus there’s no interest. It’s really not an apt metaphor at all.
 

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