Cavs summer league team

[inliner311]

If you have a debt to pay off and you can do it in one year instead of three, you do it.

The Cavs have a debt. Clearing the debt gives them certainty of future draft picks. Not doing so creates two years of uncertainty and the debt does not fully come off the ledger until 2022.

They have an opportunity to clear it and should be good enough to allow for that. Next year is a weaker draft.

Clear the ledger.

How much is a 1st round pick worth in money and cap space? I believe taking on Bazemore is more than worth getting the pick back in our control. We will still have other expirings to take back salary if another deal comes up at the deadline.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

Well your metaphor breaks down in that if in the next two years the Cavs draft in the top 10, the debt greatly reduces in value. Plus there’s no interest. It’s really not an apt metaphor at all.

Actually it is. It provides cost certainty.

Remember that both of those second rounders will be conveyed in a league where 18 year olds can come into and a G League that will be more farm league.

 

[inliner311]

Actually it is. It provides cost certainty.

Remember that both of those second rounders will be conveyed in a league where 18 year olds can come into and a G League that will be more farm league.

You are right. If the one and done happens in 2021, that pick will be more like a mid to late first rounder than a normal 2nd round pick.

 

[inliner311]

Joe Vardon says in this article "A source said the Cavs were offered on draft night the chance to trade up to No. 3 with the Hawks in a deal that would've sent Kent Bazemore to Cleveland. Instead, Atlanta swapped spots with No. 5 Dallas, and the Mavericks ended up with Luka Doncic while the Hawks landed Trae Young."

I believe we can definately get our pick back by taking on Bazemore if this quote is true.

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/inde...sexton_disciple_of_chri.html#incart_big-photo

 

[OptimusPrime]

TT and Jr definitely needs to go. Trade them for 2nd rounders. Hill, Korver, and Love should be kept until the deadline. They will help in the development of the young players.

We would have to give up 1st round picks to get a team to take either J.R. Smith or Tristan Thompson unless we are taking back an even worse contract. I would waive Smith and keep Thompson before doing that. Hill is worthless anymore except for matching salary in a big trade that we won't be making anyway. I want to see the young kids play with Korver and Love, and I would love to keep Korver to teach these guys how to shoot unless we got a ridiculous offer for him like a mid 1st round pick or something.

 

[Mr. MacPhisto]

How much is a 1st round pick worth in money and cap space? I believe taking on Bazemore is more than worth getting the pick back in our control. We will still have other expirings to take back salary if another deal comes up at the deadline.

Might be. Just depends on where the Cavs are at. I think they'd delay to make that choice. Let's say they are in sixth place for the EC. Is the cost of Bazemore worth the #16 pick?

Remember also that if you don't feel as an organization that the 2019 draft is strong, not having a pick also saves cap space. So if you don't find picks outside of the top ten to be intriguing then you don't want the pick anyways.

The early evaluation is key here. If the Cavs org thinks real game changers are only in the top 5 then there's a narrow window for tanking.

And if they think 2020 is a deep draft where they can value at 20, giving up the pick in 2019 assures they have 2020.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Will take a long time to evaluate Zhaire imo. I've compared him to Oladipo in the past, and if Oladipo had come out after his freshman year he would've looked like a huge project too. He'll have to score more efficiently in his limited opportunities to earn a rotation spot and develop, though. That 76ers squad is packed.

Not really sold on Miles at all. At least Mikal can shoot. If Miles can't shoot, I can see him just being a total bust and out of the league in a couple years. No place in the league for a 6'6" rebounding specialist.

Zhaire and Oladipo are not similar at all as players. Zhaire while an explosive and effortless leaper, just doesn't have an elite first step or top end speed. I'm sorry, I just don't see it. He is not an explosive athlete other than being an elite leaper. His strides are very small, which limits him.

Mikal has a much higher chance than Miles to be out of the league. He is 23 and is rail thin and the only think he does well is shoot the ball. Isn't quick or explosive coming off screens either, so he doesn't get himself very open much. He doesn't rebound, he can't create, and he will not be a good switch defender unless he bulks up in the lower body. It looks to me he has a much higher chance to be a bench warmer than Miles.

Miles can not be a total bust just because he does a lot of other things on the court. He already looks very comfortable shooting off the dribble, he attacks mismatches in the post quickly, he is strong, he crashes the boards, he is strong enough to body front court players @ switch...he does a lot more things than Mikal.

Dunno how good Miles is going to be really, but i'm not really confident in Mikal at all.

 

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[artimusprime]

Actually it is. It provides cost certainty.

Remember that both of those second rounders will be conveyed in a league where 18 year olds can come into and a G League that will be more farm league.

Sure but the value of what you owe is way less. A tenth pick in the NBA is worth way more than 2 2nd rounders. The probability of hitting on those picks is just so much lower. Even with the g league. Moreover with traditional debt the longer you keep it around the more you owe. That’s just not true I’m this scenario.

 

[weepinwillow]

A source said the Cavs were offered on draft night the chance to trade up to No. 3 with the Hawks in a deal that would've sent Kent Bazemore to Cleveland.

If this is true, I'd think a JR or Hill for Baze and your own pick back would be enough. They get out of $14-18 million next year in payroll, Cavs no longer have to worry about "tanking" and just play the roster as best they can, see what works.

 

[jhollandsworth]

We would have to give up 1st round picks to get a team to take either J.R. Smith or Tristan Thompson unless we are taking back an even worse contract.

That's 100% true for JR. You *might* be able to move him at the deadline for a comparable contract just to get him off the team, assuming there is a playoff team in need of JR's shooting and has similar salary that isn't productive for them.

With TT, I could see a contender above the cap, moving an expiring contract for TT. He's only on the books for one more year and his offensive rebounding is certainly valuable. I think he's poised to have a strong 2019, so hopefully someone will take his contract off our books.

 

[stowfan]

If this is true, I'd think a JR or Hill for Baze and your own pick back would be enough. They get out of $14-18 million next year in payroll, Cavs no longer have to worry about "tanking" and just play the roster as best they can, see what works.

What is it the Irish people say, "your lips to God's ear.

 

[jhollandsworth]

If this is true, I'd think a JR or Hill for Baze and your own pick back would be enough. They get out of $14-18 million next year in payroll, Cavs no longer have to worry about "tanking" and just play the roster as best they can, see what works.

The pick is top 10 protected but the pick doesn't have that much value to us outside of the top 10 anyway. The right move is to be in the top 10. Even if we get our pick back, being in the lower-middle/middle of the draft isn't where we need to be as a franchise.

 

[stowfan]

That's 100% true for JR. You *might* be able to move him at the deadline for a comparable contract just to get him off the team, assuming there is a playoff team in need of JR's shooting and has similar salary that isn't productive for them.

With TT, I could see a contender above the cap, moving an expiring contract for TT. He's only on the books for one more year and his offensive rebounding is certainly valuable. I think he's poised to have a strong 2019, so hopefully someone will take his contract off our books.

I think Gilbert has the money to pay the contracts for a few more years if we're stuck with them.

 

[Huber.]

Kind of OT, but can someone explain why they limit the number of exhibition games for teams that lose early in the tournament? Why even have a tournament?